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Posted By: ZeroHour Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 10:42 AM
well I got p at four to get to work and my car is sqeaking like there is chipmunk caught in the engine. I now a CEL.

there is 1-2 inches of snow and its probably around 15 degrees.

I'll post more once I'm home
Posted By: ZeroHour Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 11:09 AM
Well I just had a fun trip to no where. I'm not getting to work for the next 2 or 3 hours...

Just tried to get to work via 97 blazer and that was no luck at all. All four tires were spinning :shooked:

Well anyway. little more detail:

Went outside to clean snow off my car and warm it up. Brushed most of the snow off and started the car. Let it idle down then turned on the headlights, defroster - 3 dot high heat, and the rear defroster. I went back outside to keep cleaning off snow and wipers. I'm banging the wipers and I hear squealling...My first thought was that the little chipmunk/squirrel thats been a PITA for the last month is trapped on top of my manifold and is scared shitless. So I pop the hood and prepare to be mauled by a rodent.

There is no rodent and the motor is sqealing, then not, sqealing, then not. I was thinking then great the belt is slipping because of cold. Well I went back into the car I was going to turn off the defroster thinking it would help if the belt slippage and bam CEL. So I immediate off the defroster and turn off the key.

It was a horrible squeal too, hence me thinking animal. I've been told if you spin a bearing you'll hear a horrible squeal before it dies. so could this be a bearing? Or I am over worrying

I plan on getting a ride to advance to pick up a obd-II scanner if I get to work.
Posted By: 96 M edition Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 01:44 PM
did you try to verify were the squeal was coming from before you turned the car off?...when you opened the hood was the engine running smooth or shaking?
Posted By: ZeroHour Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 08:41 PM
It sounded like from the right side, but I was to concerned about what was happening. So thats really not a definite.

I bought a code scanner, but it fails on the first click, and gives lean codes on 2nd click. I would think the lean codes are from the car being on, but not running.



Edit: Messed with OBD-II Scanner, need to read codes while car is on or on first click. Second click will give lean both sensor because of being in accesory(ie car on, but not running).

Started the car. Whining/grinding/squeal is from the passenager side. It is not as loud as before but I can still here it. It is worse with the defroster on.

Could this have something to do with pulleys?

I'm lost I don't know whether I should run my car or not
Posted By: 96 M edition Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 09:15 PM
turning your car to the acc. postion will not throw anycodes,if its giving you a lean code,then thats what it is....as far as the noise it could be your powersteering pulley... or alt...
Posted By: ZeroHour Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 09:26 PM
It the book it says do not use the code reader in accessory position. And the CEL was never on for those before. And a lean code has nothing to do with metal grinding noise.
Posted By: FavoriteMystaque Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 09:42 PM
Check the serpentine belt tensioner pulley and spring, it should be about half travel and the pulley bearing should be smooth turning. If the tension spring is bad or pivot is stuck, the belt will slip. Also check idler pulley near alternator and the alternator itself for binding. duratec belts is a picture of the side of the engine, might help.
Posted By: ZeroHour Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 09:45 PM
I think I know which you're talking about. I'll need to take a look quick before it gets dark. I only have 30 minutes if that of day light left.

Thank god I bought more batteries for my digital camera today after work. Thought I might need them. I'll post them up on photo bucket.
Posted By: Ray_dup1 Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 10:22 PM
Simple test... disconnect the serpantine belt.. start the car. Noise gone?

there's your problem.. belt/pulley/tensioners.
still there? look elsewhere.
a 3/8 breaker bar will loosen the tensioner enough to slip the belt off of a pulley.


Posted By: Tony2005 Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/04/05 11:32 PM
Originally posted by ZeroHour:
Let it idle down then turned on the .... defroster - 3 dot high heat ,... I went back outside to keep cleaning off snow and wipers. I'm banging the wipers and I hear squealling .......



Could also be a/c compressor.
Posted By: ZeroHour Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/05/05 02:02 AM
Pic 1
Pic 2

I never noticed how dirty it was there, but how does it look?

Edit: I don't think it is the compressor, although the noise gets worse when it is running.
Posted By: ZeroHour Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/08/05 04:34 AM
No one has commented on my pictures I provided. so I figured I'd bump up the thread and see if anyone has anything to say.

I'm thinking of maybe replacing the idle pully and tensioner pulley. How hard is this to do, and while i'm at it should I replace the belt?
Posted By: contourfreak22 Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/08/05 05:12 AM
Originally posted by Ray:
Simple test... disconnect the serpantine belt.. start the car. Noise gone?

there's your problem.. belt/pulley/tensioners.
still there? look elsewhere.
a 3/8 breaker bar will loosen the tensioner enough to slip the belt off of a pulley.





do what he said up above. i had to by pass my belt for the ac pump cause it was grinding. you may have the same problem like i did.
Posted By: Metro00 Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/08/05 01:42 PM
Originally posted by ZeroHour:
No one has commented on my pictures I provided. so I figured I'd bump up the thread and see if anyone has anything to say.

I'm thinking of maybe replacing the idle pully and tensioner pulley. How hard is this to do, and while i'm at it should I replace the belt?




I have a 97 2.5L and just recently had a similar problem, I checked the local parts houses for my idler pulley, but all were incorrect. I ultimately got it at Ford, for $20, and it took care of my trouble. Use a 3/8 breaker bar to release the belt tension from the pulley, and remove the center bolt... it will slide right off. I went from underneath with the r/frt wheel off, and the lower plastic splash guard removed. Look at the belt, to determine replacement... how long has it been running with that belt?
Posted By: todras_dup1 Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/08/05 02:27 PM
I'm guessing the clutch on the A/C compressor is shot. The serpentine belt is squeeling on the non moving compressor pully.
Posted By: ZeroHour Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/08/05 03:10 PM
I talked with contourfreak last night and the belt could be the original. I've owned my tour for almost a year and a half, and I haven't changed the belt. Is there a way to tell if it is the origianl (i.e. ford logo or p#)

How can I tell if it is the compressor? Mine works fine! The heat blows hot and the AC blows cold! The defroster also works beautifully. What controls the compressor "clutch" is it a vaccum line or a electic control? I mentioned I've been having a rodent problem so maybe the $h!t head ate the wire/line.
Posted By: ElKy Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/08/05 03:17 PM
the A/C may still work, but the pulley might be lagging a little causing some extra friction on the belt.

do as stated above and pull the belt off and start the car.
if the squeal goes away then it is a pulley issue or an issue with the a/c comp, alternator, or power steering pump themselves.
Posted By: ZeroHour Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/08/05 08:04 PM
well I'll have to try to take the belt off tomorrow. I would imagine I should run the car without a belt for long right? Also does anyone have experience to tell me what a bad pulley might spin like? I.e. can't spin it by hand, should spin without effort, etc.

Thanks
Posted By: ElKy Re: Fantastic Morning - 12/08/05 08:10 PM
you only need to run the car long enough to see if the squeal goes away.

as for what a bad pulley sounds like....
llike you said, it will be very hard to turn, wont turn at all, or will make a nasy grinding/bad bearing sound when spun.
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