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Treadwear ratings

rkneeshaw

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the FAQ says the Bridgstone Potenza RE-01R's are the pimps juice, so I checked them out. Price isn't bad at all, but the treadwear rating is 140 A A. The BFG Sports have a 340 AA A rating, and the ecsta's have a 320 AA A rating and are cheaper. The FAQ says the Potenza's are a big step up from these others but not according to these ratings. What gives? Is this supposed to be like golf, less is better?
 
With a treadwear rating of 140, they would not last very long at all. The higher the number, the longer the tire should last.

Was the FAQ refering to grip, or longevity? I'd assume the tradeoff with a treadwear of 140 would be super grip.
 
LOL! 2. 2 Miles. :DThose things will stick like epoxy. BTW why did you leave a UIM manifold in my garage?! Punk!
 
Scott's on target here.

A 140 treadwear tire should be stickier than honey. However, they'll also wear out in short order, so I wouldn't put them on a car that I was planning to drive regularly.

Also, on most roads, you'll only be able to use a certain percentage of a tire's capability, so too much grip can be overkill. The BFG g-Force Sport is a great tire, has good wear characteristics, and goes through water like nothing (the benefit of those huge center rain channels). They also ride smoothly and quietly (that center rib helps with that). In addition, they're a screaming deal. I ran a set on my 1994 Taurus SHO and loved them. They were the perfect tire for that car -- should be great on lots of others, too.

Because BFG does not make the g-Force Sports in a 215/50-16, I went with the Dunlop Direzza (300 AA) for my Contour SVT, and have been very happy with them. They have a similar tread pattern as the BFG. I strongly recommend either tire, though you'll have to be comfortable going with an aftermarket size if you decide to sport the g-Force. They're on Tire Rack for about $85, depending on the size you end up going with.
 
Marks Dunlops were 60 treadwear and I dont know how many miles he put on them, but they still looked damn good when he took them off. He had them on there for about 2-3 years.
 
Treadwear ratings are determined by each manufacture. A 140 rating from BFG is not necessarily the same as a 140 from Khumo.

From Tire Rack
"
When looking at UTQG ratings it is important to realize that the Department of Transportation does not conduct the tests. The grades are assigned by the tire manufacturers based on their test results or those conducted by an independent testing company they have hired. The NHTSA has the right to inspect the tire manufacturer's data and can fine them if inconsistencies are found. While most new tire lines have their grades established when they are introduced, they are allowed a 6-month grace period to allow the tire manufacturer to test actual production tires. Once a grade is assigned it must be branded on the tire's upper sidewall and printed on its label.
Unfortunately, the rating that is of the most interest to consumers is the one that appears to be the least consistent. While the Treadwear Grade was originally intended to be assigned purely scientifically, it has also become a marketing tool used by manufacturers to help position and promote their tires."

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48

Choosing a tire based upon tread rating makes as much sense as choosing a wife based upon Breast size. There are so many other important factors to consider and you should only consider tread rating comparisons between the same brand of tire.

Take for example two Khumo tires. The 712 and the SPT. The 712 has a treadwear rating of 280 and the SPT 320. By those numbers and your logic of treadwear ratings the 712 is a grippier tire and will wear out sooner. Let me tell you, the 712 is a piece of garbage and Khumo will do the world a favor when it is gone. I have owned at least 4 sets of the 712 and hated every time I bought them. Wheras the SPT is an excellet tire with much better grip and water pumping ability.

You might ask, why the disparity? Well, first look at the tread design. The 712 is designed more like an all season tire and has a ton of siping. This creates a serious problem for initial turn in and rapid transistions because it creates flex in the rubber. However once they have reached a constant radius they grip very well. The SPT on the other hand has an old school block tread design. Makes it great at transistions and turn in. It also has large water channels and works great in the rain.

From owning both sets it feels like they have simular sidewall construction as they are both stiff tires. Especially compared to the 711 that has a great tread design but a horrible sidewall. The 711 is another tire that looks great but heavily dissapoints.

The fact is, if you drive really hard plan on replacing your tires every 12 - 14 months no matter what tire you buy. If you don't drive hard on the street then buying the RE-01 is not a good investment IMO. If you want something better than the SPT but less than the RE then look at the Khumo MX.
 
Adding to ^^^
I was reading about this last time I bought tires. The standard test that they do is basically 8000 miles. They then assess what percentage of the tread was used up and then scale accordingly.
A 100 rating means that 100% of the treadlife was used up in going 8000 miles, so a 140 rating means the tread should be good for
1.4 x 8000 = 11 200 miles
All good in theory but there are loads of variable but this is how the rating is meant to be interpreted.
 
I use it as a rough guide, but I wouldn't use it to decide between say a 280 and 300 tire, but 140 to 300 i'd go with the better rating. my $0.02
 
so basically, F the ratings. Just get whatever. amirite?

Kinda.

My approach has changed as my needs have changed focus. I really liked the BFG G-Force Sports and have purchased a few sets. They're great for the money. Considerations were grip, quiet, comfort - in that order. I focused in on UHP summer tires and compared the tirerack.com specs to come up with my choice. The sports were quiet, smooth, cornering was VERY good - like on rails, but the ride was a little harsh for me with my BAT suspension. I likes my comforts. (They do very well on the stock springs with BAT struts)

I've also recently purchsed a few sets of Yokohama Avid TRZ tires. Freakin' 700 treadwear with an 80,000 mile warranty. Very smooth, very quiet, great grip wet or dry for the standard touring class of tire. Soon as I turned the steering wheel the major difference was VERY apparent. These went on the stock 15" rims and the response was, UNGHHHH, very numb. Comfort, quiet, and long life was what I wanted, and I got it in spades with these tires. Got them on one Contique, an Accord, and a Town Car. Amazing improvement over the OEM and Michlin replacement touring tires.

I think the TRZ's are available in the 225/45-17 size, so that should be an interesting experiment... coming soon.
 
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