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3L Escape Timing Cover - Belt routing, tensior setup

CSVT#49

CSVT#49

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Alright I've been curious about how using the Escape 3L timing cover is going to work. I only know of one person that did it, Pudmunkie (linky) but there are no pictures of the final setup that I could find.

I've got the 05 service manual so I know what it looks like. However I'm curious about the positioning of the alternator when using the SVT bracketry and where it puts the pulley with respect to where it was on the Escape 3L. Also on my routing it appears that the P/S pump is above the A/C compressor with an idler pulley near where I would be putting my SVT P/S pump and pulley. Thoughts??

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Going off of Pud's 3L pics it looks like he had an older 3L then my 05 so I guess they changed the timing cover layout...

Pudmunkie said:
Its been a while since I posted pictures of anything:

Putting in a new 3 liter as the old one ate up 6 of 6 bearings....

Full 3 liter, 04 taurus intake for the time being, eventually stepping in to an escape intake manifold. Silver vein valve covers, pretty standard stuff :shrug:

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I also found this for a 2001-04 belt routing...

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THe picture you have provided is the equivalent of the 01+ v6 cougar timing cover. Mazda mpv has this cover aswell.. There is no idler pulley on these covers and routes just as the first pic of the escape cover is.
 
svttour said:
THe picture you have provided is the equivalent of the 01+ v6 cougar timing cover. Mazda mpv has this cover aswell.. There is no idler pulley on these covers and routes just as the first pic of the escape cover is.
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Right, but that doesn't help me. I'm wondering if anyone has used a 05+ timing cover and what they did for belt routing. As I'd like to keep my Escape timing cover.
 
elraido said:
I owned that car and sold it to FFE in Mankato. Send him a message and see what he can find out.

Only pics I have don't show anything but here is the link to his for sale thread. Side pic on there...don't know if you will get any info out of that
http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/showthread.php?34508-99-3-liter&highlight=
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Nah I was just using that as reference. He had a 01-04 Escape engine. So my layout is different with the 05 as you can see from the service manual pics.
 
Wonder if I could swing this and not use a idler pulley... although it may just be easier to use the 2.5L cover with the tensioner I have. I'd have to buy a new one if I used the 05 3L cover as it didn't come with the tensioner.

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I have an 05 Escape timing cover, I'm pretty sure it has the tensioner so if it's there you can have it.
 
I would just get an 820k6 belt for the 01 cougar and you should be good to go.
 
CSVT#49 said:
Wonder if I could swing this and not use a idler pulley... although it may just be easier to use the 2.5L cover with the tensioner I have. I'd have to buy a new one if I used the 05 3L cover as it didn't come with the tensioner.

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this is the mpv and cougar routing method belt part number @ advanced auto is 820k6
 
RFcsvt said:
I have an 05 Escape timing cover, I'm pretty sure it has the tensioner so if it's there you can have it.
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Yea if you don't mind that would be great.

svttour said:
this is the mpv and cougar routing method belt part number @ advanced auto is 820k6
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Yea but my only concern is that the tensioner is positioned differently and I may need a longer belt because of it. With this setup the tensioner idler pulley is located where the pivot point of the tensioner is on the 01+ Cougar setup.
 
I dont think the position change of the tensioner will make a difference only if the tension has changed from one direction to another....

Remove the idler pulley and you will be fine.
 
why don't you just save the headache and use the SVT timing cover. i see no reason for going through all that hassle of even having this discussion when i could already be done putting on a SVT cover.
 
TRicker said:
why don't you just save the headache and use the SVT timing cover. i see no reason for going through all that hassle of even having this discussion when i could already be done putting on a SVT cover.
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I'd rather not use anything off of the engine that I have in the garage if I don't have too. You saw the manifold. I'm freaked out enough about using the oil cooler. Which is why I may avoid it all together and use my remote filter kit to run a larger aftermarket oil cooler.

I am in no rush to assembly everything. I'm not putting the engine together until the car is painted... which isn't happening until it's warmer.
 
if you had metal pieces in the engine from something like an exploding rod (I cant remember at this point what happened to your engine since its been so long) then i would not use the oil cooler unless you thoroughly flush the oil passages. of course, with the amount of power you are planning on making i would highly recommend an external oil cooler anyways.
 
striker2 said:
if you had metal pieces in the engine from something like an exploding rod (I cant remember at this point what happened to your engine since its been so long) then i would not use the oil cooler unless you thoroughly flush the oil passages. of course, with the amount of power you are planning on making i would highly recommend an external oil cooler anyways.
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Nothing happened to my engine... I take good care of my stuff if you haven't figured it out yet. My 2.5L was working like a champ and was putting down 178.8whp with only headers as a bolt on. When I pulled it to do this build I installed it in another SVT, so it's (as far as I know) alive and kickin in another SVT. That SVT had serious issues. I believe the car was running on 5 cylinders when it arrived at my house for the swap. The intake manifold had a smoldered spot on it right above the #2 cylinder. When I removed the UIM I found that one of the butterflies in the LIM was literally bent over and looked like a taco. I have no idea what was done to that engine so I really don't want to use anything off of it. Grant it the timing cover is probably not going to matter at all. Especially since I would bead blast it and wash it off.

Here's some shots of the LIM and my engine in the installed in the other car.

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Mike you are over thinking this timing cover thing... its a simple solution. you have more work into the heads with all the measuring tools you bought and what not to be worried about a simple timing cover belt route. IMHO you shouldnt have even needed to make this thread but like Ive told you before you will be fine with it. Whether you listen to it or not...


Reminds me of a friend that is a mechanical engineer and knows alot when it comes to motors and building •••• but has no idea how to boil corn.
 
svttour said:
Mike you are over thinking this timing cover thing... its a simple solution. you have more work into the heads with all the measuring tools you bought and what not to be worried about a simple timing cover belt route. IMHO you shouldnt have even needed to make this thread but like Ive told you before you will be fine with it. Whether you listen to it or not...


Reminds me of a friend that is a mechanical engineer and knows alot when it comes to motors and building •••• but has no idea how to boil corn.
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I'm not over thinking anything, I had the solution that I had posted in post #6 in my head already when I made the thread. I merely made this thread to determine if anyone else had used an 05+ timing cover and what they did for a belt routing and what belt they used.

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There is no need to reinvent the wheel. I may be an engineer, but trust me I can boil corn. I consider myself a well rounded person and not at all like your friend that you described. I just don't like doing unnecessary work when the solution to what I am trying to do has probably already been determined, proved, and documented. There are way to many people out there (I work with a few) that will just come up with a solution to any problem they come across and not bother consulting anyone else to see if the problem had arisen before in another application/situation... then they have to go through the work of proving it works, and documenting their process. I'd much rather talk to someone that has already had the problem and completed the work to solve it. So in this case, it appears no one has done what I am trying to do. Therefore I will just have to try my solution and see if it works. That after all is a lot of what this forum is for... sharing your experiences. On that note the back up plan is to use the 2.5L timing cover and call it a day. If you knew me well, you would know that before I even ask any questions I already have a answer to my problem figured out. However I am not 100% positive of the outcome, therefore I 'talk aloud' to people posing the same questions I asked myself to see what others come up with. Sometimes they come to the same conclusion, other times they take a different spin on it and come up with an idea I didn't think of... which may or may not change my initial solution. It's called brainstorming and I like to use the tool whenever possible.
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CSVT#49 said:
Yea but my only concern is that the tensioner is positioned differently and I may need a longer belt because of it. With this setup the tensioner idler pulley is located where the pivot point of the tensioner is on the 01+ Cougar setup.
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The 01 Cougar belt is longer and it uses that same cover. Go get the longer belt and you'll be fine.
 
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