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Oil pan question ???

TK95Contour

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When i bought my SE the previous owner told me it has an upgraded escape or something similar oil pan. Now ive been reading about adding 1 quart past full mark on the dipstick to help keep from killing the number 3 bearing during long sweeping wide turns.

Since i have this "upgraded" oilpan , should i do this also??
And , I thought to much oil in an engine was bad??
Also, why do these engines hold so much oil??

:shrug:
 
Factory Suggests 5.5 quarts. Ford came out and said that you should put an additional half quart into the motor. Although they never officially admitted to there ever being an oil starvation problem, because technically there isnt, the problem only really ever persists at high RPMs on long sloping right hand turns.

The Escape oil pan is the exact same capacity as the factory oil pan, the only difference is the shallow end of the pan is baffled, Ford never offically stated if this fixed their "oil starvation" issue, but its something that have done with the 3.0L motors ever since.

an extra half quart in the duratec isnt bad, most people even put 6.5 quarts into the motor with no negative effects. The duratec has a large oil capacity beause of the oil pan and because of how much oil is retained the in the heads and oil passages during normal operation. Most V6 motors use about 5-6 quarts of oil.
 
I was told directly from a reputable source on this site (who hasn't been active in a long time) that you could safely put in about 7 quarts before having to worry about the crank coming in contact with the oil. I don't think that's necessary, but the point was that overfilling beyond the Ford 'official' spec wasn't dangerous at all.

Still, the best bet for anyone paranoid about bearings in a Duratec should invest in an Accusump.
 
The problem wasn't necessarily with the oil pan but with the heads.


and if it was really a oil drain back issue from the heads the main crank bearings would go first, not the rod bearings since they are second to receive oil.
 
Rod bearing oiling issues are many-fold, beyond any problems that might occur with low oil level in the sump which could cause the pickup to be uncovered, resulting in aeration of the oil. Aerated oil spells the death of shear film bearings.

1. The mains see oil at the oil pump output pressure and flow. Main bearing oiling is generally way past optimal, unless there is a major flow or pressure problem in the oiling system.

2. The rods get "used" oil, which has been in the mains and has picked up heat, so it's viscosity is decreased; this is the beginning of the problems.

3. The rods orbit the crank axis, and the oil flowing from the mains to the rods is subject to (reactive) centrifugal force, so the "effective oil pressure" in the rods increases as the square of the crank RPM. You might think this is a good thing, but it's not, because...

4. The leak rate of a shear film bearing, like a rod bearing, is directly proportional to the pressure in the bearing. Now go back and re-read number 3: The oil pressure in the rods is going up as the square of the crank RPM, the leak rate from the rods goes up linearly with pressure, and the oil has lost viscosity in the mains. All this means that the rod bearing leak rate is going up in a big hurry as RPM increases.

This starts to look disastrous pretty quickly, as at high RPM, the oil flow from mains to rods can't keep up with the rod leak rate, and the rods run dry. We all know what happens next.
 
Rod bearing oiling issues are many-fold, beyond any problems that might occur with low oil level in the sump which could cause the pickup to be uncovered, resulting in aeration of the oil. Aerated oil spells the death of shear film bearings.

1. The mains see oil at the oil pump output pressure and flow. Main bearing oiling is generally way past optimal, unless there is a major flow or pressure problem in the oiling system.

2. The rods get "used" oil, which has been in the mains and has picked up heat, so it's viscosity is decreased; this is the beginning of the problems.

3. The rods orbit the crank axis, and the oil flowing from the mains to the rods is subject to (reactive) centrifugal force, so the "effective oil pressure" in the rods increases as the square of the crank RPM. You might think this is a good thing, but it's not, because...

4. The leak rate of a shear film bearing, like a rod bearing, is directly proportional to the pressure in the bearing. Now go back and re-read number 3: The oil pressure in the rods is going up as the square of the crank RPM, the leak rate from the rods goes up linearly with pressure, and the oil has lost viscosity in the mains. All this means that the rod bearing leak rate is going up in a big hurry as RPM increases.

This starts to look disastrous pretty quickly, as at high RPM, the oil flow from mains to rods can't keep up with the rod leak rate, and the rods run dry. We all know what happens next.


So shall we put a ford Escape oil pan? or look for a solution to increase oil presure?
 
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