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timing a 98 contour, pictures before i screw something up more

steve6

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so i took some covers off etc, i had another thread about this, but thought id start another as this is the actual repair, my understanding is, these two notches at the end should line up using a flat bar when #1 is TDC (this is TDC right now)



It was mentioned a PIN to place in somewhere to lock it in, can someone give me an idea what that is, i dont see anything on the harmonic balancer that would let me lock it in place




 
According to autozone, there should be two marks on the crankshaft pully and engine block or oil pan to aline them. I do not see them in the pic
 
According to autozone, there should be two marks on the crankshaft pully and engine block or oil pan to aline them. I do not see them in the pic
thats because they dont exist. the timing pin goes into a hole on the front side of the block at cylinder 4. there is a small bolt (10mm IIRC) that you remove and thread the pin into that whole. you can then turn the crank clockwise until it stops, resting on the pin.
 
wellllllllllll I played with the timing, and now its worse, LOL

maybe the vct is really messed up.

what I dont get is , the cam shaft rotates in the vct chamber, so how the hell do you know where to position it to align it. I can move it about 20 degrees without the sprocket moving, is it on the clockwise , or counter clockwise end point where you use for alignment, don't get it!
 
The cam rotates in the direction of normal travel until VCT slack taken up, in other words, hold VCT unit and rotate cam by the hex shape molded into the cam itself. Rotate the cam toward you until it stops as you stand at front of car. It must be in that state at the same time the tool is inserted in ends of cams to check lineup. That bar MUST fit tightly, no slop allowed! I cut a piece of 3/16 keyway stock (about .187" thick) plus a .012-.013" feeler gauge added at both cams to that to make the total .200" thick, it would just slip/snug fit. I cut the length of key stock to go all the way across valve cover surface (8.5 inches long) on outside. There is a molded line on oilpan passenger end somewhere around 4:30-5:00 o'clock that as you turn balancer clockwise, you use the SECOND mark on balancer that lines up with that molded line or "knorb" on pan. First mark is timing advance I think, second mark is TDC. The two sets of marks on balancer are hard to see, you may have to sand with fine sandpaper to find them. If you are marked right the pin spoken of will hit crank on that second mark lined up when you rotate crank clockwise. The blanking plug that goes in pin hole is behind cat toward the right side as from front of car. I made my pin out of M10 size I forget the thread count, use the blanking plug for it. Pin is 63.4 mm. long not counting the head. It MUST be threaded down ENTIRE length except last 1/2 inch of tip which has threads ground off down to the level of bottom of thread, in other words, thread ONLY is gone body of bolt below that stays. Look in Haynes Focus manual for example. It's VERY easy to forget about this pin and turn engine against it thus breaking/bending it and causing untold grief. The tensioner itself should be set where it reads to the high side of the tension range on it so that you still have some as the belt wears in use. When belt has high time on it, will have hardly any tension at all, looking at the tensioner before you pull old belt. I have actually slid belt off one before that had virtually none on it. Don't put back together like that unless you're using old belt and what are you doing that for?? Once timed and tight, roll around (DON'T FORGET TO PULL THAT PIN!) several times, remark and recheck that tool still fits in back of cams snug. I also made a cam sprocket holding tool which was a great aid to holding cams in place while tightening sprocket center bolts. DO NOT USE THE CAM BAR TOOL TO HOLD CAMS IN PLACE WHILE TIGHTENING SPROCKETS! Will wrap that tool up like a pretzel and scar up the valve cover sealing surface. If VCT has run dry of oil, you will hear it make a repetitive snapping noise on engine startup until it fills with oil, should stop in like a second or so. You should be good and confused by now, I know I was first time I did it. It seems to me they have made it unnecessarily complicated for no freakin' reason whatsoever. I've done it now on 98 Contour and 00 Focus both run great.
 
Big fat tip. If you do not have to loosen sprockets on cams, don't. That cam tool that fits in back ends of cams may very well fall right in place with a new belt. They act like every belt you absolutely MUST loosen and retime sprockets/cams, not so. The Focus fell right into place with no moving cams/sprockets at all.
 
Another one, this supposedly is an "interference" engine, meaning if you don't have consideration for where the pistons and valves are as you turn engine parts, you WILL bend the valves, it's easier than you think. You may never feel it hit.
 
Another one, this supposedly is an "interference" engine, meaning if you don't have consideration for where the pistons and valves are as you turn engine parts, you WILL bend the valves, it's easier than you think. You may never feel it hit.

The Zetec engine is a NON-INTERFERENCE engine, meaning that if the timing is off NO DAMAGE will be done... The auto repair manuals have it wrong for some reason, they are dumb... Search around here and you will see that this is correct... People have even driven their timing belts to the point of breaking and everything was fine, besides the car being way off timing, LOL...
 
Thats why he is in the situation he is in people leaving important steps out. You may have done yours and got lucky you didn't get a code. Loosen the cam sprockets when setting the tension. If you don't, there is a high risk you will get the P1381 or P1383 code. Do it right the first time.
 
OH, please! You people are so scared of codes. If you put the tool in and check, #1 @ TDC, and exhaust cam rotated against VCT inside, how will you get a code???? It will be RIGHT, there will be NO CODE. You are now saying that belts are made so crappy that they can't make one the same as the other. By virtue of what they do, they HAVE to be VERY CLOSE to identical or they wouldn't work even when timed right. Loosening sprockets in and of itself alone provides NO GUARANTEE WHATEVER that end result will be right, that statement is totally worthless. In fact if they were really close as they should be in an already running engine, mech may make it WORSE. Luck has nothing to do with it. I didn't see anyone looking to change the sprocket to cam timing on SOHC 4 cylinders when changing belts, it fell right into place without all that bull. Also, as far as "interference" engine claims, notice please (if you can read) that I said "supposedly", I am well aware of the controversy. I will never have the problem anyway, since I know where the pistons and valves are at all times when timing a motor. Try timing a 720+ cubic inch big block Chevy with .700" lift roller cam, I've been there. More than once.
 
Also, as far as "interference" engine claims, notice please (if you can read) that I said "supposedly",

Why even bring it up then? Saying that it is "supposedly" an interference engine is going to make the OP think that it is when it is not... And yea, I can read, although sometimes your posts are hard to decipher since you apparently do not know what the heck a paragraph is! :nonono:
 
Uh, well I do know that the first mark of a paragraph is an indented first word.......
 
Assuming a motor is interference motor is far safer than assuming it's not, especially based on hearsay. Assuming non-interference can very easily get you a bucket full of broken parts. That notion goes right on the same shelf as "those stock valvesprings will work with that 10,000 rpm cam". I have seen PLENTY of engines blown to smithereens using that same type of logic.
 
thanks for the help guys, i think i got it, fixed it yesterday and the code has not come back yet , i remove the vct itself and lined it up to get it right.


*hopes thats all it was*
 
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