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Installed a few things...

please.... a shorter throw on the shifter end will have no effect on how parts wear out. it doesnt stress anything except the mount for the shifter, which isnt affected. the distance the arm on the top of the shifter changes, but the distance that it moves on the other end and to the transmission remains the same. slightly more stress may be put on the shift cables, but it has no effect on the shift tower or the transmission itself.
 
BrandonSVT99 said:
To Aliasjerk:So a car with a turbo stock is going to breakdown/not last as long as a N/A engine???Just because it has a turbo and it will cause "premature wear"....I don't think so it all in how you take car of it.I/E I could slam the stock shifter just as hard as a short shifter,cause the "extra wear" on the transmission and in fact I think a lot of ppl on here will agree with me that it is more frustrating and more likely to add more "torque" on the stock hifter because of the numb feeling,then one would on a short shifter
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to BrandonSVT: another case of learn how to read.

"putting a turbo on a motor, that turbo gives you more power"

in reference to adding a turbo to a car that came from the factory without one, if you are talking about, oh IDK, an S60R... then the motor is designed/built to have a turbo, some motors don't handle turbos as well as others because they arent made to have one.

When did I ever say cars with turbos stock wouldnt last as long as a car without a turbo stock? quote me.
 
You said "putting a turbo on a motor" you didn't specify from the factory or aftermarket so i gave you an example,anywyas I'm not going to bicker back an fourth in this guys thread about his new mods to his car.If you want to discuss it further start a new thread.

TO THE OP very clean car:thumbsup:
 
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I can't say I care too much about the responses going back and forth on my thread, but they are entertaining none the less....I miss the old forums when people actually had constructive things to say!!

Here's my two cents on short shifters: A short shifter will not cause any premature part failure since its function is still the same as the stock shifter which is to shift the gears of the transmission. If the shifter was in control of a dynamic operation (one without define limits) rather than just shifting gears (who have a defined range of motion), then I would agree and say, "yes, short shifters can potentially harm your transmission." Mind you, this is just an electrical engineers perspective of the topic....I could be completely wrong since I don't have a strong mechanical engineering background....I'm just going on reasoning.
 
TRicker said:
please.... a shorter throw on the shifter end will have no effect on how parts wear out. it doesnt stress anything except the mount for the shifter, which isnt affected. the distance the arm on the top of the shifter changes, but the distance that it moves on the other end and to the transmission remains the same. slightly more stress may be put on the shift cables, but it has no effect on the shift tower or the transmission itself.
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makes sense to me...
 
bullion said:
I can't say I care too much about the responses going back and forth on my thread, but they are entertaining none the less....I miss the old forums when people actually had constructive things to say!!

Here's my two cents on short shifters: A short shifter will not cause any premature part failure since its function is still the same as the stock shifter which is to shift the gears of the transmission. If the shifter was in control of a dynamic operation (one without define limits) rather than just shifting gears (who have a defined range of motion), then I would agree and say, "yes, short shifters can potentially harm your transmission." Mind you, this is just an electrical engineers perspective of the topic....I could be completely wrong since I don't have a strong mechanical engineering background....I'm just going on reasoning.
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You're correct. Aliasjerk just has to put his long-winded 2 cents into everything he knows nothing about. A shifter making a transmission wear out faster? LMFAO! Alias, the reason it feels more tight, is because it is! The short throw will take the slack out of that mushy stock shifter. And I think you need to "learn how to read" your own friggin' posts. You can't say "in my opinion," and then follow it up with "based upon what I have witnessed," and think they're one in the same. You haven't witnessed one short throw shifter causing any premateur wear on any transmission. Get a life.

Bullion, the car is looks awesome! Looks like a few really nice installs, on a very clean car! Keep up the good work. :cool:

Mark
 
bullion said:
I can't say I care too much about the responses going back and forth on my thread, but they are entertaining none the less....I miss the old forums when people actually had constructive things to say!!

Here's my two cents on short shifters: A short shifter will not cause any premature part failure since its function is still the same as the stock shifter which is to shift the gears of the transmission. If the shifter was in control of a dynamic operation (one without define limits) rather than just shifting gears (who have a defined range of motion), then I would agree and say, "yes, short shifters can potentially harm your transmission." Mind you, this is just an electrical engineers perspective of the topic....I could be completely wrong since I don't have a strong mechanical engineering background....I'm just going on reasoning.
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Reasoning is something AliasJerk doesn't deal with often apparently. I'll tell you that a short shifter is not the root cause of premature shifter wear. He's right in saying that a short shifter requires more force from the driver to shift, but this does NOT translate into more stress on the shift cables. For example, I decide I want to take my rims off faster, so I swap out my lug wrench for a 6" long ratchet. Yes, it takes more force on my end to do the same amount of work, but that same amount of work is being done in a shorter distance and the same amount of force is being applied to the lugs, regardless of lever length.

All of that aside, I think AliasJerk was trying to make the claim that someone that buys a short shifter is more likely to shift quickly, leading to premature transmission wear. In this case, the root cause is still the driver, and that same driver can just as easily wear the transmission with a normal shifter.

But what do I know...I'm just a mechanical engineer. I realize that all of this reason, logic, and physics is no match for baseless conjecture from someone working in the retail industry.
 
Y2KSVT said:
Headache? The Steeda shifter is the only short throw that takes longer than an hour to install, and that's because you need to make a riser plate, or in my case(as well as some 99's and all 2000's), a plate for under the car. Why they're useless, you'll have to answer that one. Maybe it doesn't matter much when you run 18's? :shrug:

Mark
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WOW it took me half an hour to install the Steeda short shifter in my E0.
 
PurpleMystique said:
All of that aside, I think AliasJerk was trying to make the claim that someone that buys a short shifter is more likely to shift quickly, leading to premature transmission wear. In this case, the root cause is still the driver, and that same driver can just as easily wear the transmission with a normal shifter.
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thank you!

YES! thats exactly what I am trying to say, its exactly what I said in my initial post, obviously driving it every day like a granny is going to make no difference, but like I said when I made the turbo comparison, if you have the ability to do something faster, you are going to do it faster. a Short shifter allows you to run through gears faster, so the faster you run through gears the harder you shift, which is obviously hard on the transaxel.

LMFAO! Alias
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i'm here to entertain.
 
SVTGT350 said:
WOW it took me half an hour to install the Steeda short shifter in my E0.
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E0 being the key here. I believe the E0's had a plate that you had to remove from the shifter base, and put it on top of the base to raise the shifter. Or you could have one made. The later 99's and all 00's had a different design, where the shifter would actually bottom out. So you had to remove the exhaust heat shield, and take the existing sound deadening material, and replace it with a plate to give the shifter clearance. Personally, I made my own plate out of plexiglass, where some people bought their plates from members that made them. :cool:

Mark
 
Y2KSVT said:
E0 being the key here. I believe the E0's had a plate that you had to remove from the shifter base, and put it on top of the base to raise the shifter. Or you could have one made. The later 99's and all 00's had a different design, where the shifter would actually bottom out. So you had to remove the exhaust heat shield, and take the existing sound deadening material, and replace it with a plate to give the shifter clearance. Personally, I made my own plate out of plexiglass, where some people bought their plates from members that made them. :cool:

Mark
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Yup I made my riser out of plexiglass too, I raised the entire shift tower when I did mine because I didn't see how the plexiglass would seal very well on the floor of the car (it wasn't completely flat). I didn't have to lift it much, but just enough to give me more room for the bottom of the shifter.

Either way the E0 install is easier/quicker than the late 99 and 00 install as mentioned above.
 
bullion said:
This Steeda shifter makes a world of a difference...I regret not having installed one sooner. I was kind of shocked that I didn't have to adjust the shift linkages after the install. Did anyone else not have to do this with their Steeda Tri-Ax install?
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I did not have to adjust mine either. shifts are short and crisp and oh so much better then stock.

I have a steeda shifter for my SVT, believe I started looking for one the day after I got it home ... just need to install it now ...
 
Alias has reached an all time low of stupidity. I honestly can't believe the BS that he posted about short shifters.

Don't sit there and try to say that the stress on the tranny is from slamming the gears around. Your first post clearing states that the "stress" is caused by the shifter, not because you are shifting faster.

AliasJerk said:
I have used all kinds of contour short shifters, all of them make the trans feel really stiff, the gears arent smooth any more, plus I have found it requires more force to shift between gears, more force = more stress, more stress = broken shift tower bolt/broken short shifts/wearing out the shift cables earlier/wearing out the syncros.
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Of course it requires more force to move the shifter! You cut down on the leverage by a lot. The only stress that's happening is in your friggin arm. Not the car.

Just STFU if you don't know what you're talking about. You have owned two almost bone stock Zetecs, but continue to throw BS info up and down this forum about mods/repairs you have little to NO experience with what so ever.
 
i have a b&m. i dont like how low it sits,but do like the crisper shifter. also not a fan of the b&m shift knob not sitting properly:shrug:
 
AliasJerk said:
I have used all kinds of contour short shifters, all of them make the trans feel really stiff, the gears arent smooth any more, plus I have found it requires more force to shift between gears, more force = more stress, more stress = broken shift tower bolt/broken short shifts/wearing out the shift cables earlier/wearing out the syncros.

my tour has the stock trans at 172K miles, syncros in EVERY gear are perfect, even in 20 degree weather it shifts like butter.

this is all in my own opinion I have no evidence to back this up, based upon what I have witnessed over the years being on CEG, short shifters are the reason for prematurely worn out transmission components.
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Oh!! Jinxed!! Your car is fgoing to start shifting like a half-dead semi...
So sad, so sad:cry:
 
bullion said:
I haven't posted in a long while so here's a quick update since I finally got around to installing the pile of parts I have had sitting in my basement for months now....

Rear Strut Brace, Hi-Flow Cat (I welded it into my SHO-Shop y-pipe), and a Steeda Tri-Ax short shifter.

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I got a bar like this one!!! the car feels totally better!!!
 
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