novellino21
Veteran CEG'er
how does the 3L performance compare to a lets say a 5.0 or 4.6L v8 mustang. Stock mustang vs. a 3L CSVT(with no other mods)
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3L performance question
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KingpinSVT
Hard-core CEG'er
warmonger
Hard-core CEG'er
Depends, but against a stock 5.0 a decent 3.0 will probably hand the 5.0 its ass depending on the year. A mod'd 5.0 could do anything from tie with a 3.0 contour to utterly destroy it. lol
Same with the various years of the 4.6L, some were better than others plus there were 2v and 4v versions.
Its about power to weight ratio and area under the torque curve. If you want to know look up an average dyno sheet from each car and compare with shiftpoints and weight as a factor, along with fwd/rwd factors.
Same with the various years of the 4.6L, some were better than others plus there were 2v and 4v versions.
Its about power to weight ratio and area under the torque curve. If you want to know look up an average dyno sheet from each car and compare with shiftpoints and weight as a factor, along with fwd/rwd factors.
novellino21
Veteran CEG'er
my reason being is b/c i just bought my 3L csvt a couple months ago and i absolutly love the car but i want to build it more and eveuntually do a forced induction project on it in the future. But wit all this modding means no trac. b/c of fwd
I currently have a 98.5 csvt 3L swap from a 04 Ford Escape. non hybrid. With a SAFC. How would my car compare to a 5.0 or a 4.6 stang(stock).
I'm thinking about selling the svt for a older stang v8 and modding it out b/c its rwd, but it wont be rare, 4door, sleeper car, and good in winter which is the greatist things bout the csvt's.
Basically i wanna know what my car is equal too performance wise b/c csvt's dont feel as fast on the butt dyno where as my probe gt felt way faster than it was on the same dyno
I currently have a 98.5 csvt 3L swap from a 04 Ford Escape. non hybrid. With a SAFC. How would my car compare to a 5.0 or a 4.6 stang(stock).
I'm thinking about selling the svt for a older stang v8 and modding it out b/c its rwd, but it wont be rare, 4door, sleeper car, and good in winter which is the greatist things bout the csvt's.
Basically i wanna know what my car is equal too performance wise b/c csvt's dont feel as fast on the butt dyno where as my probe gt felt way faster than it was on the same dyno
Big Jim
Hard-core CEG'er
The one place that your Contour would be superior is when your carving a canyon. If you're trying to make it a drag car, it will be very difficult to make it run like a well modded and tuned Mustang.
You can get plenty of power out of a 3L CSVT and still not have serious traction issues.
Although instead of F/I you might be better off doing nitrious. That way you can do a bunch of bolt ons, push down plenty of power N/A for daily driving and such. But once you get to the track, get the nitrious flowing once you hit 3rd or 4th gear. No traction problems and a nice track time.
Although instead of F/I you might be better off doing nitrious. That way you can do a bunch of bolt ons, push down plenty of power N/A for daily driving and such. But once you get to the track, get the nitrious flowing once you hit 3rd or 4th gear. No traction problems and a nice track time.
So, a RWD, drag built platform will go down the track faster... WHO CARES?
I can start my car, drive through the canyons at my home, hug each apex at near any speed I choose, change my pants twice on the way due to engine sounddrool, get to the track before the mustang, make two or three passes, and LEAVE before the mustang can get there to make its pass which is a piddly 2 or 3 seconds faster than mine was.
All of this while carrying my luggage and my friends.. and I could care less about a mustang being faster at the track.
I can start my car, drive through the canyons at my home, hug each apex at near any speed I choose, change my pants twice on the way due to engine sound
drool, get to the track before the mustang, make two or three passes, and LEAVE before the mustang can get there to make its pass which is a piddly 2 or 3 seconds faster than mine was.All of this while carrying my luggage and my friends.. and I could care less about a mustang being faster at the track.
novellino21
Veteran CEG'er
yea everything you guys said is true, but do mustangs really handle that poorly? I figured you can make them handle decently. But that did slip my mind bout the contour is that it can do more than make a decent time in a straight line.
Bout the nitrous thing, i dont know. Nitrous has to be done right if you want the life out of your engine. I would want to do wet nitrous and not dry b/c it's better for your motor and more efficient. But that means i gotta take my engine down to the block almost. Either way it's a ton harder on the engine but you can do it the right way or the wrong way and i think dry nitrous is the wrong way. But be4 that i would do a bunch of bolt on's first. I can't waite till i get exhaust and headers next year, it's going to sound amazing My goal is to beat a stock sti in a staight line. if not that then get into mid 13's on street tires at the least.What would be a decent time for a 3L wit only bolt on mods(xception of the 3L swap).
Bout the nitrous thing, i dont know. Nitrous has to be done right if you want the life out of your engine. I would want to do wet nitrous and not dry b/c it's better for your motor and more efficient. But that means i gotta take my engine down to the block almost. Either way it's a ton harder on the engine but you can do it the right way or the wrong way and i think dry nitrous is the wrong way. But be4 that i would do a bunch of bolt on's first. I can't waite till i get exhaust and headers next year, it's going to sound amazing
My goal is to beat a stock sti in a staight line. if not that then get into mid 13's on street tires at the least.What would be a decent time for a 3L wit only bolt on mods(xception of the 3L swap).The contour was never designed for straight lines. The contour was origionally a Mondeo in Europe, European cars are designed for handling, taking a corner. Not going in a straight line, they arent americans.
Thats what I respect about the contour, My old Zetec contour I had more funs in the twisties then when I drove my mom's Grand Prix GT. Although it was much faster in a straight line.
Personally I would rather have a car that puts a stupidly big smile on my face in the twisties then a car that gives me good numbers in a straight line.
Thats what I respect about the contour, My old Zetec contour I had more funs in the twisties then when I drove my mom's Grand Prix GT. Although it was much faster in a straight line.
Personally I would rather have a car that puts a stupidly big smile on my face in the twisties then a car that gives me good numbers in a straight line.
well you sure as hell have a great start with the 3l, which i assume you got from blackcoog? man just start with a full exhaust, youll smile everytime you drive it. do your suspension with shocks and springs, and youll see what theyre talking about. a lighter flywheel would have been nice, but its a little late for that now. just take it in strides...
novellino21
Veteran CEG'er
yea about the lowering springs too, my car already bottoms out on driveways and if i lower it more than i wont be able to freak'in drive anywhere.
I just bought some 18 inch 7 spoke silver wheels and they look good on the car as well as up the handleing performance on it but i do have a big gap in the front. The rear not as much just b/c of how the car was deisigned it naturally sits lower in the back than the front for some reason.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/pnove/peterscrap030.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/pnove/peterscrap019.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/pnove/peterscrap016.jpg
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Opinions on the wheels are welcome, is the gap too big to where it looks ricy? So i dont know what to do yet. I wanna get cold air, exhaust, headers, and mayb a chip. But i also want to lower it and work the show department too. So much stuff such little money
I just bought some 18 inch 7 spoke silver wheels and they look good on the car as well as up the handleing performance on it but i do have a big gap in the front. The rear not as much just b/c of how the car was deisigned it naturally sits lower in the back than the front for some reason.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/pnove/peterscrap030.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/pnove/peterscrap019.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/pnove/peterscrap016.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/pnove/image.jpg
Opinions on the wheels are welcome, is the gap too big to where it looks ricy? So i dont know what to do yet. I wanna get cold air, exhaust, headers, and mayb a chip. But i also want to lower it and work the show department too. So much stuff such little money
warmonger
Hard-core CEG'er
They look good to me. You should fix the front fascia first though.
DemonSVT
CEG'er
Consider the Contique a good looking Mustang that actually handles well.
If straight line is your cup of tea you picked the wrong platform and the wrong wheels to drive it.
As for your "bench racing" question...
3L CDW-27 = 13.4 to 15 flat
Stock (88+) V8 Mustang = 14.2 to 15.5
Then again how rare is a "bone stock" Mustang...
If straight line is your cup of tea you picked the wrong platform and the wrong wheels to drive it.
As for your "bench racing" question...
3L CDW-27 = 13.4 to 15 flat
Stock (88+) V8 Mustang = 14.2 to 15.5
Then again how rare is a "bone stock" Mustang...
novellino21
Veteran CEG'er
alright so you guys pretty much convinced me to not go the mustang rout and keep the csvt since i'm already bout 1/2 way there modding it wit the 3L swap and all.
I really wish i could race somone in a stock mustang, i havnt raced anyone since i've gotten the car. It's weird b/c the car doesn't feel as fast as it is.
and the grille thing, yea i know it needs to be fixed. i went to home depot and bought some gudder guard stuff and some time i'm going to switch everything out for that stuff. i'm jus nvervous taking apart my upper grille b/c everything is melted together and i dont want to brake my grille into pieces. i did look up the faq on it but it still doesnt make complete sence to me yet. too bad i cant pay someone to do it for me. that'd be cool.
Anybody know what would be the best mufflers for the csvt's? I want exhaust but cant afford it yet but want the car a little louder, what mufflers would do the job?
I really wish i could race somone in a stock mustang, i havnt raced anyone since i've gotten the car. It's weird b/c the car doesn't feel as fast as it is.
and the grille thing, yea i know it needs to be fixed. i went to home depot and bought some gudder guard stuff and some time i'm going to switch everything out for that stuff. i'm jus nvervous taking apart my upper grille b/c everything is melted together and i dont want to brake my grille into pieces. i did look up the faq on it but it still doesnt make complete sence to me yet. too bad i cant pay someone to do it for me. that'd be cool.
Anybody know what would be the best mufflers for the csvt's? I want exhaust but cant afford it yet but want the car a little louder, what mufflers would do the job?
Blackcoog
Hard-core CEG'er
Yup, he picked it up from me. Actually Terry H. built that one. When I picked it up it had a bad transmission tower which I replaced.
Chris
novellino21
Veteran CEG'er
yea i dont know, i dont think i wanna lower the car yet. I'd rather spend that money on header and exhaust. But eventually i might do that. unless i get a really good deal on a used set or somthing.
Redlineracer12
Addicted CEG'er
try trubendz.com, cheap decent exhaust for the contour with plenty of options.
With a decent tune, headers, exhaust, intake you'll give most basic 5.0's a run for the money...
I kept up with a 5.0 5spd with exhaust and an xpipe from about 40 to 130
On a closed track of course 
either way he was quite impressed. That was with my 178.9whp with my 2.5L You should be able to beat that...The best chance you have in the contour is on the highway or taking corners because it will never hook up like a rwd... although i think my car gets amazing traction (for fwd of course). I barely break the tires loose going into second and rarely chirp 3rd.
Blackcoog
Hard-core CEG'er
try trubendz.com, cheap decent exhaust for the contour with plenty of options.
With a decent tune, headers, exhaust, intake you'll give most basic 5.0's a run for the money...
I kept up with a 5.0 5spd with exhaust and an xpipe from about 40 to 130
The best chance you have in the contour is on the highway or taking corners because it will never hook up like a rwd... although i think my car gets amazing traction (for fwd of course). I barely break the tires loose going into second and rarely chirp 3rd.
I'm curious what mods do you have on your Contour to get 180whp? What dyno was that again? DB Performance? What type of dyno do they have? Isn't it a mustang dyno?
m4gician
Hard-core CEG'er
Do bolt ons to your 3L and then go from there.