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  • The Most Powerful N/A 3L Built?

    What is the most power someone got out of a N/A 3L? Also, what were the mods needed to get there.

    I am getting a big refund (finally) and have decided now is the time to get this done. Besides having an intake, getting headers, optimized Y-pipe and a more open exhaust, what can I do to get the most out of it?

    Lets see some numbers people have out of their 3L, and the things that they have done.

    Thanks guys.
    1998-E1 CSVT SilFro

    ***blu_fuz FOR PRESIDENT, 2012***

  • #2
    http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/sh...b=3&o=&fpart=1
    99 SVT Contour #1082 (summer)
    01 Subaru Outback (winter)
    98 Mystique LS Sport 2.5L (RIP)
    95 Contour LX 2.5L (RIP)

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    • #3
      Hmmm, I see. Most of the guys that get around 220hp have little more than headers, the y pipe, a better flowing exhaust and a good tune. Seems this guy went ahead and did a whole bunch of other stuff to get to the insane 238 number...

      Interesting.
      1998-E1 CSVT SilFro

      ***blu_fuz FOR PRESIDENT, 2012***

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      • #4
        hopefully in a couple years I'm gonna be going all out to see how much power I can push out of these engines N/A. I have alot figured out but I can't share my secrets. The problem that I have run into in my plans is that there isn't a large aftermarket. (as most of us have realized) so if you want to get serious gains you have to work with all sorts of machine shops to get custom parts made and most of your gains will be made by machining. The gains from this are that you don't have to buy something thats out there because if youre gonna fork up the cash anyways you can get something made that meets exactly what you want to get out of your engine.

        If this is something you want to go for I would research ways of "building" horsepower and go from there with what you would like to do.
        99 Mercury Mystique LSVT Port matched 3L with some goodies
        74 Maverick 351 Windsor building 347 stroker
        86 Porsche 944 Turbo

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        • #5
          To get power you have to open up the intake and exhaust, find a cam with some lift, duration and overlap, and bring the compression up. Or for the same amount of money buy a turbo kit and double the NA power of these engines.

          I think SVT#49 on here is putting a powerful engine together and doing it right. It will be turbod but the basics are the same.

          An engine is a big air pump, pull more air in, exhale more air out and it will make more power. I went with the FI direction because you don't have to tear the engine apart to make 350 HP. My next step will be rods and pistons and some head work but right now this thing is fun as it sits.

          Just look at your budget, if you don't have $2500 to waste then do simple stuff, but expect small gains too.
          Don Higgins
          Crew Chief Pro Drag Racing Software
          http://www.crewchiefpro.com
          1999 3.0 Turbo CSVT ** 2013 American Dragster with 1100 Horsepower 7.28 @ 185 mph

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          • #6
            Like HYDRDRGYRUM said, somewhere in the 210-220 range is what you'll see for most people in the N/A class.

            Heres my dyno #

            http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/showth...ed!&highlight=

            I know its not the highest, but it'll give you an idea on what a setup like mine will give ya.

            04 Taurus 3L- Portmatched, optimized TB, MSDS headers and y-pipe, Tune. Stock SVT intake with paper filter. Resonator delete
            '98 CSVT #4012- T-Red MNB 117k
            -3L's of Fury... 223hp/214tq
            -MSDS Headers & y-pipe, Opt. TB, Tune
            '98 Ford Contour- PT Zetec ATX- Pushing just over 355... Thousand miles that is.
            -It sounds like someone on crack sending morse code

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            • #7
              My Full 3l with tune, headers, a crap rusted Y pipe, stock cat back exhaust, and a optimized TB netted me 191 at the wheels.

              2000 Toreador Red/Prarie Tan #576/2150 Revived 4/25/09 191 whp, 189 torque
              1977 Datsun 280z 5speed
              2008 Taurus X
              2003 Accord

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              • #8
                wasnt starjammir putting down similar numbers?
                98 T Red SVT-Build # 1147
                2004 325XiT Wagon
                2012 VW CC Lux

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                • #9
                  See the 3L dyno post on NECO for more numbers: http://www.newcougar.org/forums/3-0l...ours-here.html
                  Visit: 3LDuratec.com for a prepped 3L ready to drop in!

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                  • #10
                    Tricker's 3L put down some nice numbers with a tune. I believe it was 219hp... which is right in-line with the 220 everyone has been saying. I bet if I ran my motor without FI I'd be in the mid/high 200's.

                    If your going for big power and want it done right with good components your looking at about $3k into your engine if you do the work yourself. If not more along the line of like $5k. This would consist of rods, pistons, bearings, gaskets, rotating assembly balance, cylinder hone, and if you really wanted to do some head work tack on another $1k (if you do some work yourself, ie disassembly and cleaning). That's just a quick summary of it. Good luck.
                    -Mike
                    If you are wondering where the avatar came from look here... Link
                    98 SVT Contour - HoK TruBlue|CF roof|#49/6535 DOB 3/25/97|550whp here I come|Follow my extremely slow 3L/turbo build here Link
                    85 Camaro - 1969 350ci, 503BHP

                    Owner - RIES PEFORMANCE

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                    • #11
                      Well, I am definitely set on buying my 3L, but to be honest I am still on the fence if I should do the Turbo. I read a whole bunch of stuff, and it just seems the sensible thing to do is go for the Turbo. I mean, when you're spending that much money, may as well go all the way.

                      Right now the way I look at it, a good 3L will cost between 500-700 bucks. Tack on an additional 300 for the headers, and another 300 for the Y pipe. Plus there is the tune, and if you have to regasket the whole thing there is more. Plus the labor. And the hp is around 220.... I drove a few 3Ls, and they are definitely awesome compared to my stock 2.5 SVT, with an open exhaust and intake. But compared to the 3L/T cars, it's night and day.... I just don't think it's worth messing with the engine unless you can bump it up to around 300hp. And the only way to get there appears to be the Turbo route.

                      Either way, by the end of next month, I will buy a 3L. Then we'll get to work on it.

                      Thanks for the input guys.
                      1998-E1 CSVT SilFro

                      ***blu_fuz FOR PRESIDENT, 2012***

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                      • #12
                        My CSVT is arguably the fastest N/A non nitrous build out there. Unfortunately, I have yet to have it Dyno'd but it has one hell of a wicked sharp torque curve. I estimate I'm in the 240-245 hp to the wheels range.
                        Here's whats under the hood....

                        =Performance=
                        3.0L Duratec Engine (Hybrid build, 11:5:1 compression)
                        Kinger PnP 2.5 SVT Heads with ST220 3L valves (5 angle valve job)
                        Clevite Trimetal Rod Bearings
                        SVT Cams
                        SVT UIM (Extrude Honed MAX Honed Upper Intake Manifold) & (Jet Hot coated)
                        SVT LIM (SHO-Source Extreme Port-Matched Big Bored Lower Intake Manifold)
                        SVT 60mm TB, optimized
                        SVT Focus 255 lph smart fuel pump
                        Escape Oil Pan (improved baffle & drainback)
                        DMD (Dual Mode Damper) Crank Pulley
                        Sean Highland Motorsport Headers (long tube), (Jet Hot coated)
                        Sean Highland Motorsport Y-Pipe
                        CTA intake pipe, (Jet Hot coated)
                        K&N 3530 Open Air Filter
                        Custom intake heat shield (Pudmunkie)
                        Bassani 2.5 cat-back exhaust
                        Magnaflow High Flow Catalytic Converter
                        Edelbrock muffler (resonator)
                        Torsen T2 Limited Slip Differential
                        SPEC Stage 1 clutch
                        SPEC lightened flywheel (9 lbs)
                        Focus MTX-75 Shift Tower
                        Fully Rebuilt Transmission (New Syncro's, Shift Forks, etc)
                        Oil Filter Relocation kit w/steel braided lines (FL-1Z filter)
                        Oil/Air separator
                        Superchip tuned, (Arizona Dyno Co)
                        -Greg
                        Icefury's 2000 3.0 SVT Contour
                        The Tuning-Shop UK

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                        • #13
                          Kinda makes me want to run my 3.0L without the turbo just to see what it could do... I bet I could hit 300... just say'n
                          -Mike
                          If you are wondering where the avatar came from look here... Link
                          98 SVT Contour - HoK TruBlue|CF roof|#49/6535 DOB 3/25/97|550whp here I come|Follow my extremely slow 3L/turbo build here Link
                          85 Camaro - 1969 350ci, 503BHP

                          Owner - RIES PEFORMANCE

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                          • #14
                            250-300whp all N/A seems like a longshot in these cars...you will be running low comp, so wouldn't that mean you will make less power? My next 3L will be full boltons and everything to make as much power n/a as possible until next year when I start a boost build, but I'm only expecting to make TOPS, 230ish at the wheels (even that seems like a lot though, considering most people can hit 220 with everything)
                            SOLD ---- Sean - 1998.5 3.0L CSVT #5906 - "MONSTOUR"

                            Originally posted by rexxdoggy
                            My intake right now is a heat soak muh fuh'in short ram gayness.

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                            • #15
                              hey cktour98 where do you plan on buying the 3l motor from(still looking on buying a good 3l from around here)

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