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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
So (assuming a body would keep working without a brain at all) if I remove somebody's brain but keep their body alive with machines or whatever, is that life to you Davo? Think about it.
You have your facts wrong. She was not brain dead. The only artificial assistance she had was a feeding tube, because the portion of her brain that would allow her to eat was mush. Her brain still functioned sufficiently to keep her heart beating and her lungs respirating, among other things. She was not on life support, which would make this debate slightly different.
Ok she was "PART" brain dead.  She couldn't feed herself, she couldn't move other then twitching and blinking. Yes her brain was able to keep her heart beating and lungs going. That's about it. She was brain dead and the debate doesn't change at all. She couldn't do anything other than have heart and lungs going (which yes technically is being alive, but barely and who wants to "live" like that) and after this long of a time would never be able to function again.
Tell me davo, what is your reasoning that someone should be kept "alive" on feeding tubes for longer than she was?
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
and who wants to "live" like that)
Who knows? We don't know that Terri didn't want to live like that, and it's certainly not your call or anyone's call.
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Tell me davo, what is your reasoning that someone should be kept "alive" on feeding tubes for longer than she was?
My reasoning is that we don't know what Terri wanted. She was certainly within her rights to desire to be kept alive, and also such to desire no life assistance. But because you don't think someone should live like that doesn't mean they can't.
I've said it a bajillion times, there would be no debate had Terri's wishes be certain. I have no problem with someone opting to die under these circumstances, but we aren't certain Terri did.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Her brain still functioned sufficiently to keep her heart beating and her lungs respirating, among other things. She was not on life support, which would make this debate slightly different.
Are you sure this debate would be more different if she was completely brain dead? I think the same people fighting to keep her alive would continue to do so. I haven't heard any reason suggesting otherwise.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
and who wants to "live" like that)
Who knows? We don't know that Terri didn't want to live like that, and it's certainly not your call or anyone's call.
True, sorta. In cases like this it is the husband's choice, the parents wanted to fight it. Which is their right, although I think they were being selfish.
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Tell me davo, what is your reasoning that someone should be kept "alive" on feeding tubes for longer than she was?
My reasoning is that we don't know what Terri wanted. She was certainly within her rights to desire to be kept alive, and also such to desire no life assistance. But because you don't think someone should live like that doesn't mean they can't.
I didn't decide the case. The judges did. I don't really see what you're arguing. It had to be decided one way or the other. Judges went with the husband's choice, as he should most likely know her wishes. Would it have been better to keep her on a feeding tube not knowing if she would want to be on it or not?
I've said it a bajillion times, there would be no debate had Terri's wishes be certain. I have no problem with someone opting to die under these circumstances, but we aren't certain Terri did.
Yeah. We're not certain Terri did. Chances are she did just because hardly anyone wants to "live" like that. In any case, the decision was made by the husband and upheld by the courts. So what is the problem?
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Originally posted by Davo:
Are you aware of how many people there are that can't feed themselves? I wonder if you have any kids, and considered them dead before they could feed themselves.
Ok if your over what 2 years old and you can't feed yourself then you need to leave my world!
And For the people in there teens, 20's, 30's ect ect who can't feed themself then they need to leave also.. thats why this earth has way to many people cuase of bs like this
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Originally posted by Davo:
Are you aware of how many people there are that can't feed themselves? I wonder if you have any kids, and considered them dead before they could feed themselves.
Correction, they can feed themselves. You simply put the nipple to their lips. They do the rest, including swallow.
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What about old people? If old people can't feed themselves, do they 'need to leave'.
Keep talking, it's entertaining.
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Originally posted by Davo:
What about old people? If old people can't feed themselves, do they 'need to leave'.
Keep talking, it's entertaining.
I wasn't using that as a defense, merely pointing out where your logic lapses in this instance.
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Originally posted by zgendron:
Correction, they can feed themselves. You simply put the nipple to their lips. They do the rest, including swallow.
LMAO Nice. I like seeing you guys go in circles like this.
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Originally posted by Davo:
What about old people? If old people can't feed themselves, do they 'need to leave'.
Keep talking, it's entertaining.
What point do they serve? If you can't support yourself by feeding yourself which is very simple then why are you here? Soo others can take care of you? If you can't eat im sure there is other stuff you can't do like walk? move? talk? ect ect....
Plus I'm glad its entertaining becuase its the truth. ITs called natural Selection! If you can't feed yourself or take care of your self then You should be gone!
If it happened to me i want everyone on ceg to tell them idiots who want to keep me alive be it my kids wife whoever that i want to die.. Soo bring the desert Eagle...
Ohh and on a similar note, Scott Peterson should die the same way as Terri Did.. NO food let him starve to death!
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