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Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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Originally posted by IRingTwyce:

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Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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he borrowed the car without asking (stealing?). it's not like he went on a seven state joy ride and never brought it back.

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"Borrowing" without asking is stealing. Plain and simple. His actions after the fact (not going on a seven state joy ride) don't excuse the theft, nor do they make the theft acceptable. Did the parents over react? Possibly, maybe not. We don't know if the kid was a problem child or if this was an isolated incident. Doesn't matter. The parents chose a course of punishment that you obviously wouldn't, but it was legal and possibly their only recourse at this point. Regardless, no one taken into custody by law enforcement should fear for their life. The blame here lies soley and squarely on the LE entity.

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i borrowed my mothers car quite a few times without asking. when i got home she just asked where i had gone. we had this weird thing called a GOOD PARENT/CHILD RELATIONSHIP. she trusted me and i never did anything to break that trust . now, i realize no one knows the full extent of the story or what had happened. maybe the kid deserved the cops called on him and jail time. but i am going with innocent until proven guilty theory. since i don't have any reason to believe otherwise, the kid gets the benefit of the doubt in my mind and the parents [censored] up in their actions.

~Andrew

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Except taking the car without permission. Violation of trust right there in my book. If your parents respect and trust you(or anyone for that matter) enough to loan you their car you should have enough respect to ask first.
If you're going to roll the dice you should be prepared to pay the price. Not with your life but a trip to jail is defiantly in the realm is possibility.

Originally posted by MxRacer:

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Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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as they should! they DID send him to a death sentence. granted, they didn't know it at the time. who the [censored] sends there kid to jail and refuses to bail them out over a borrowed car? dumbass parents, that's who.

and boy am i sorry for any of your people's children. he borrowed the car without asking (stealing?). it's not like he went on a seven state joy ride and never brought it back. relying on law enforcement to dicipline your children is flat out retarded. people that do so should not be allowed to reproduce (idiots breed idiots).



~Andrew

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how good it must feel to armchair quarterback from the comfort of your desk chair.

you know NOTHING about the situation other that what has been reported, yet you easily cast judgement. as has been said, you don't know the kids past history. i find it unlikely that the parents went to that extreme after a single incident. but even if they did, it's certainly not their fault the kid got killed. if we used your reasoning, every parent who's kid committed suicide after a parent yelled at them is at fault too.

i can't get over how quickly you pass judgement on a situation that you once again know little about.

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Originally posted by MxRacer:

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Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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as they should! they DID send him to a death sentence. granted, they didn't know it at the time. who the [censored] sends there kid to jail and refuses to bail them out over a borrowed car? dumbass parents, that's who.

and boy am i sorry for any of your people's children. he borrowed the car without asking (stealing?). it's not like he went on a seven state joy ride and never brought it back. relying on law enforcement to dicipline your children is flat out retarded. people that do so should not be allowed to reproduce (idiots breed idiots).



~Andrew

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how good it must feel to armchair quarterback from the comfort of your desk chair.

you know NOTHING about the situation other that what has been reported, yet you easily cast judgement. as has been said, you don't know the kids past history. i find it unlikely that the parents went to that extreme after a single incident. but even if they did, it's certainly not their fault the kid got killed. if we used your reasoning, every parent who's kid committed suicide after a parent yelled at them is at fault too.

i can't get over how quickly you pass judgement on a situation that you once again know little about.

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why did you even bother coming back here?

if i am not mistaken, you passed judgement aswell, simply in the other direction. you immediately assumed it WASN'T the parents fault and cast judgement to the child for being killed. he would not have been in that situation had the parents not sent him there. it is THEIR fault he is dead, and i am glad that they must live with that decision for the rest of their lives.

now go ahead and feed the argument that the parents wouldn't have sent him there had he not borrowed the car. go ahead, i'll wait...

insert arguement here

great, wonderful, fantastic. the kid made a bad choice. it is a parent's responsibility to help guide their children to the right path. allowing law enforcement to punish him instead of doing it themselves lead to his death. end of story. no argument for that fact. should we all be killed for making a small mistake in judgement? i certainly hope not .

and [censored] you on the suicide comment. killing yourself and being killed because of your parent's actions are totally different.

now, go ahead and come up with some other ridiculous way to twist things and come up with another illogical comparison...

~Andrew

Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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Pimp, speaking as a parent (my son is only 2.5 years old though), and also having seen my brothers and sister do the same thing to my mother. Sometimes the police need to be called. Especially if a crime has been committed. Borrowing the car you call it? It's stealing, period. I guess if he had "borrowed" money out of the mom's purse it would have been okay too? Your situation coming up was entirely different. Sounds like you had a great relationship with your mom. My mother raised us by herself. She was a disciplinarian but, teens tend to rebel and do what they want when they want. Just because it's the parent that's falling victim to the crime doesn't mean it's not a crime. Say the kid stole the family friend's car, would that be different? Kids have to be taught that there are consequences to their actions. Also, I've seen the type of behavior that the teen in the story exhibited first hand. I can tell you, it was NO picnic for my mother to call the cops on her kids. To this day she still pains over the decision. I'm sure it's the same for any good parent. They're not "relying" on the law to discipline their kids at all in these type of situations.

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Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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why did you even bother coming back here?

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why i'm here and what i do is absolutely none of your business. don't bring up non-material issues to aide in your argument. they don't help, and only make your position look even more weak.

Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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if i am not mistaken, you passed judgement aswell, simply in the other direction. you immediately assumed it WASN'T the parents fault and cast judgement to the child for being killed. he would not have been in that situation had the parents not sent him there. it is THEIR fault he is dead, and i am glad that they must live with that decision for the rest of their lives.

now go ahead and feed the argument that the parents wouldn't have sent him there had he not borrowed the car. go ahead, i'll wait...

insert arguement here

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what the hell are you talking about?????????????????

all i did was agree that it wasn't rediculous that the parents had the kid arrested. within the scope of the potential situations, it's a very plausible solution to a problem kid. i never said it was the best solution, and i NEVER said that it didn't lead to the kids death.

Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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and [censored] you on the suicide comment. killing yourself and being killed because of your parent's actions are totally different.

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i'd appreciate it if you wouldn't use that language with me.

it's a very valid comparison. both actions on the parents part lead to the same consequences, a dead child. and let me assure you, both situations have FAR more history that whatever you have read online from a friggin newspaper. again, you're casting judgement on a situation when you have no clue as to the history.

Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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now, go ahead and come up with some other ridiculous way to twist things and come up with another illogical comparison...

~Andrew

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nothing illogical about my comparisons. just because you don't like it, and it proves you wrong, doesn't make them illogical.

cry all you want, but the fact remains, you're casting judgement on people and situations you know little about.

keep blaming the parents instead of the people that committed the crime.

YOU'RE the MAN!!!!

Originally posted by MxRacer:

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keep blaming the parents instead of the people that committed the crime.

YOU'RE the MAN!!!!

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Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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Originally posted by MxRacer:

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keep blaming the parents instead of the people that committed the crime.

YOU'RE the MAN!!!!

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i'm going to take this one argument at a time so that maybe your retarded brain can compute.

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i like the insults.

i'm not discussing this with you any further if you're going to be immature.

Originally posted by Pimpalicious316:

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he would not have been in that situation had the parents not sent him there. it is THEIR fault he is dead, and i am glad that they must live with that decision for the rest of their lives.
~Andrew

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Sorry, but that just isn't right at all. Whether you agree with the parents getting the police involved is one thing. But to think that the parents are at fault for the death of the kid while in police custody is ridiculous.

If I send my daughter on a plane to visit her grandfather and the plane goes down, is it my fault for sending her in the first place?