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Agreed. Though Rummy and CO. did have direct dealings with Saddam Hussein and indirect dealings w/ O.B.L. That same idea you speak of has now bit us in the butt big time.

We armed the jihadist in Afghanistan to kill as many Soviets as they could. We weren't initially worried about how well they did, if they attacked tanks on horseback with a sword. Remember the old saying, "Rather be dead than red!" ? Well, we would rather they be dead than red and as long as they resisted and continued to be a thorn in the USSR's side, we were better off. Charlie Wilson caught wind of that, he fell in love with the idea of these modern day cowboy like people fighting for their home on horseback, and started to arm them and train them with help from US SF and CIA (Though Rambo's Soviet butt kicking in Afghanistan didn't really take place, it was cool and duely noted ). Not to totally pick on the Reaganites, Charlie Murphy was a democrat from Texas. Also, Israel and the US pumped money/aide to the Osama Bin Laden and his fellow jihadists through Saudi Arabia so it was more palatable for them to accept. This is just brushing over what all took place, but a good idea of it all.

Same goes for Hussein, we funded and armed him to take out as many Iranians as they could and by whatever means. Many of the sinister and evil things Hussein did, Reagan's admin. backed in one way or another.

I know hind sight is 20/20. But common sense should have played a part in what we did. If it truly was just how things worked out, we should learn from our mistakes. Because if we keep creating and empowering these types of groups, we're slicing our own throats.

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There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.....

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following.

FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has...liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

Wait, there's more.......................

JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.

This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?" Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash Receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty - that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible. I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"

For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he is a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.... If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.

Nice e-mail you pulled out of yourself.

what did that long piece of a turd have to do with moore?

that bs is about as misleading as something moore would do, but it seemed more related to partisan bashing than moore bashing.

I could have done better job with Iraq than Bush.

I���?�m no fan of Michael Moore���?� but your statements lack full context and balance and some are just wrong.

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

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You mean 39 Americans, right? How about an honest comparison including insurgents and Iraqi citizens..

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

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Sandman says every male over 17 in Iraq has at least one AK-47 ���?? hardly comparable to Detroit.

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

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Japan and Germany were treaty allies ���?? Japan declaring war on the U.S. had the same effect as Germany declaring war on the U.S. and vice versa. Between 1939 and Dec 1941 FDR did in fact keep the U.S. out of WWII ���?? Pearl Harbor took the choice out of his hands.

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

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Truman did not start a war. The North Koreans started that war, and in any event, the war in Korea was a United Nations action with armed forces from at least 10 nations participating.

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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John F. Kennedy...started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

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Although the first U.S. â�?��?advisorsâ�?� were in Viet Nam before Kennedy, you are essentially correct..

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.

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Pretty sure United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1031 (1995) and 1088 (1996) authorized the multi-national force and its use of force.

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

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After Bush labeled Bin Laden the most wanted criminal in the world, and after leading a U.N. sponsored invasion of Afghanistan to get him, Bin Laden remained at large throughout Bush's term.

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has...liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

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The Taliban is crushed, Hussein is in custody, true â�?�¦ but aside from having their governments toppled, Afghanistan and Iraq are far from being liberated.

Originally posted by wolfsong:

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The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

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You���?�re not even close to being finished in Iraq ���?? make the comparison when everyone���?�s on their way home.

As for the Glenn/Metzenbaum exchange, I���?�m pretty sure everyone agrees Metzenbaum was an idiot to suggest what he did; and no one questions the love of country and the dedication to duty of the men and women in the militaries that help keep us free.