Ok this confuses the heck out of me. ok I want just a streetable cam, i'm not going forced induction besides maybe nitrous later, i have basic boltons and i want some powergain. what am I going to want to buy and are these direct or will they take custom fabrication. I dont want to drop 1400 dollars and get the wrong cam. And whats this with roller and all that, what does that mean?
sorry for the retarded questions but i dont want to waste $$

Installed Pressure (N @ Spec. length)
Intake 228N@39.99mm (51lbs@1.57in)
Exhaust 228N@39.99mm (51lbs@1.57in)
Service Limit 10% Pressure loss @ 30.09
Out of Square Limit 1%
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.8:1
Hydraulic Valve Tappet ******
Diameter (Std) 16-15.988mm (0.6290-0.6294in)
Clearance to Bore 0.018-0.069mm (0.0007-0.0027in)
Service Limit 0.016mm (0.0006in)
Hydraulic Leakdown Rate 5-25 seconds

The standard mondeo/duratec heads come with a hydraulic tappet.

You can upgrade to full rollerized assemblies for more rpms/less friction

As for cam selection I can definatly help you out with that. This is my speciality but I need to know where you want the power, whether your 3.0 or 2.5 auto or manaul and all the bolt ons that you have. What intake assembly your using. What heads and with what mods. What exhaust upgrades, and what final drive ratio. What your future plans are also. These are drop in. When the cams come out and get shipped i will have a set and ill have my set before anyone has theirs. So there will be a how to on the drop in and more then likely a video. Just so no one goes crazy and messes up the install.

I figured the price would shake a few. But like i said the offer is open until they stop making the cams

Travis good job with getting this GB going correctly. I'll be getting in contact with you after x-mas to get me some of these cams.

I think iv got 2 or 3 hooked over in NECO forums and 1 confirmed over here. Anyone wanna give me an in or out?

Whats the deal with these cat cams? havent heard anything in a while. Its after christmas now, and surprisingly ive got a bit of cash flow.

How much for a set of 4 'stage 2' cams?

well you tell me... Ive got intake SVT upper/lower/tb/Brullen Y/2.5" quazi dual exhaust/will gut my precats

I want a boost in low end tq and a damn noticable increase in HP over 3.5krpm, preferably passing the 200whp mark for this kind of money.

Not saying im spending the $ for this reason but im tired of the dick i work with continuously trying to put me down by saying his Acura-TL will run circles around my "crappy *mercury engine* powered" car... itd just be nice to hand him his jap-crap loving ass one day.

1400 Iv got the cam stages setup the way i want them. I can give you straight stage 2`s but the setup I can get you into will be better in most ways. Youll get alot more torque. Are you Manual or Auto?

How does 'your' setup differ from the Stage II's? And what is the price difference if any?

There isnt any price diffrence. Its just that when they first come from the factory they make them "straight up" you get a 216 cam or a 224 cam on intake and exhaust. But alot of times you dont need as much exhaust, or you need more intake cam to get a better spread of power. Having a diffrent exhaust cam from intake almost always gets you more power. So my stage 2 cam might be the 232 intake cam with a 244 exhaust. The 216 or catcams stage 1 intake cam might not even be on my list of cam stages except for forced induction applications. I can also give you whatever you want straight from the factory. I make a sell either way, but Iv done my homework on these to get happy costumers.

And these are billet ground camshafts, right? I'm still doing my own research, too.

Ballpark, right now untuned I'm putting down 202 hp and 180ft/lbs at the front wheels with headwork, SVT cams and three liter with 10.7:1 compression. With the package you recommend what do you think I will gain; both peak and across the board.

$1400? what happened to cheap to get them circulating (~$700-$1000)?

My sig says I drive an MTX.
With previously stated mods (no headwork, 2.5l) whereabouts do you think ill be? Im probly somewhere like 165whp at the moment.

Chknhwk:
Yes they are billet. Very nice pieces much stronger then stock.

With your 3.0L and the good flowing heads id put ballpark around 230-250. Depending on how aggresive you get with the cams. Its always a trade. Bigger cams mean less meat below 2500 rpms everything after that is either about even or much better then stock or svt cams. Id say the stage 3 set would give you the biggest gain without any peak losses. Go bigger then this and your peak torque number will probably start dropping. The 3`s might lope a little also, but not as bad as in a 2.5 because youv got alot more displacement. You might even wanna try a stage 4 if your feeling dangerous. With all the lowend grunt you get with the 3.0 liters of fun. If you traded that for topend. It would be a very dangerous machine. Also If you could get me a flow sheet for your ported heads or tell me how aggressive you ported them I might be able to get you an even better cam setup. Dont be surprised if your injectors get angry and you have to upgrade.

Neilscougar:
They`ve already started circulating. There are still a couple people on here who im holding places for on the cam list too. Im hoping they will get in contact with me soon about this.

With the 2.5 id say 185-210whp isnt out of reach. Again depending on how aggresive you want to go. With a 2.5 and a manual Id go really aggresive. The engine doesnt need to be torquey.Like a stage 3 or 4 setup lopey and racey yes but the 2.5 is small and the componets are lighter so your looking at a more rev friendly engine. Use it to its strengths. Thats my opinion.

Have you heard about the intake cam set pricing yet?

Letme try to get ahold of him again. Im guessing it will be right at half the price. That would make the most sense. Mayby a little more then half because they have to be special ordered. 7-800 is my best guess Ill let you know as soon as I hear back from him.

What are the gains (if any) of running just the intake cams?

BTW, if you do one thing then do something else, then it is then. If one thing is bigger than another then it is than.

Sorry.

Check on custom grind sets if you would, I'm not sure of the existing profiles for my setup/plans

A major piece of the power comes from just the intake cams. The big issue is that you can get basically free horsepower for no loss in torque with a correct sized exhaust cam. Over the stage 2 intake though your going to run into a point where its really nessasary to run an exhaust cam. This is a good option for people who want to run a forced induction system. Lets your engine breath without opening up the overlap. But for N/A you get alot more options for upgrades in the header system. If you make your own headers or get a custom set you can power tune them to a certain rpm band because of the larger over lap. This really doesnt work very well on small overlap cams because there isnt enough time when both valves are open. Plus overlap only badly effects the 2000 rpm and lower area. So by popping in a bigger exhaust cam you loose a couple of footpounds below 2000 rpms and everything else gets bigger. There are not very many upgrades that come with a near free compromise for horsepower. But this one doesnt really sacrifice much so most people get both.

The customs are way too expensive. These cams really cover about everything. They are seperated by 8 degree`s all the way up. Anything less the 8 degrees and I dont think you would really feel or see the diffrence. On average each curve minuses or adds about 3-4 percent in torque. So smaller increments would only be worth 3-4 ft lbs of torque in the in between humps. What are you looking for just exactly?

I was considering getting a custom grind that might suit my headwork a bit better. The SVT cams have that 8* you're talking about on the intake side and with my valve options.....I personally think it might be benificial to have the secondary ports open a bit longer. That was the only issue I was having with the currant grinds available.

I dont think they would offer a primary secondary cam. Without getting into all that. Their cam lathes arnt setup to where that would be easy to do. I know they are 2000 plus. Especially for a custom setup like that.

Well that is not an option then. PM sent

Originally posted by Travis:

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The customs are way too expensive. What are you looking for just exactly?

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Actually, I can get the custom cams for the same price. I'm just trying to get your tuning opinions on these cams.

I'm looking for ~240-250 fwhp NA. With as few drivability concerns as possible.