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Marriage is not a civil right. It is not a right at all.
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I have no problems with the gay union movement. I'm not gay, so it doesn't effect me. I have no problem with homosexuals bind themselves legally to each other just like opposite sex couples do. My problem is with the tearing down of every institution that has been in place since the founding of this country. I.E Women demanding to be let into all male military schools, woman wanting to be get into all male golf course clubs. We don't demand to be apart of girl scouts or the red hat club.
That being said my argument is pretty much over the connotation/denoation of the word "marriage." For centuries it has stood for the union of a man and woman with the idea of build a family. I admit it's petty but can't this institution be left alone. Homosexuals are different so why not use a different word. Biologically they cannot produce offspring without external aid.
The whole idea of inclusion drives me nuts. While I don't believe anyone should be made fun of or discriminated against for being different. The fact is they are and situations have to handled differently. This has more to do with schooling than homosexuals.
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Originally posted by zgendron:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Like when someone sues for something, it makes it through. Someone else jumps on with stupid case but based on other case it should pass as well. It's like that. No I don't know the specific examples. But they are out there. I can't gaurantee it will happen. I said it only as a possibility and definitely don't use it as the main reason I feel the way I feel.
That's so F'n weak I don't even know how to respond. You know what, there are alot of things that are possible. Does that mean we shouldn't make laws because something else COULD happen? Comeon.
Until you can point to a single instance of a protection of Civil Rights causing some other "wierd" stuff to happen, I would truly reconsider that argument.
Yeah it's pretty weak. I don't care to dig deeper into it, especially as it's not the center of my reasoning. We should definitely consider ALL possible consequences when making laws.
Ok, reconsider it.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
I think separation of church and state are being misunderstood. This does not mean you can't use your religion as a basis for how you vote. It means, govn't can not support one religion and not all others, and can not place any one religion over another.
Very very very good point. 
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
but as this country was formed on Christianity, I believe it should remain that way. Laws are based on morals. For many of us, religion is a major part of our morals. It's our right for it to be a deciding part of our lives.
Ok, but...
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Whatever someone else bases their morals on is their right as well.
But, if the majority are Christian and their votes are cast with a Christain basis/idea in mind, anyone who isn't Christian is SOL?
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Kremit, I hope that one day you'll get to know a gay couple personally. Same for the rest of the gay-condemning community.
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I wish you guys would just shut up. None of your are going to change the others mind.....
We could always rewrite the Bible and change millions of people's minds overnight... sadly.
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Originally posted by neelnug:
People are scared about what they don't understand. They hide behind things (bible) or use them as crutches (religion) to protect themselves from the unknown or things that they cannot understand. Its human nature.
As for being a gateway for further changes... thats America...
I welcome open thinking and questioning of our current policy and ideas. Because of this women can vote, segregation is illegal etc. How is this different. If this were 50 years ago we would be talking about minorities rights. Wake up people, you cannot stop reality you cannot stop change.
Or maybe they just believe that way and the Bible is part of their life.  This is their right, and it's sad to see it criticized that way (I don't see anyone criticizing why gay people choose to be gay in here).
Your right about that and that is why we vote. Majority wins and if eventually it changes, then it changes. But we vote in America, not let a few people dictate for everybody's life.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
I wish you guys would just shut up. None of your are going to change the others mind.....
Please be more polite, next time. BTW, if you don't like the conversation we're having, don't read the post.
The only reason I engage in conversations like these is to learn. If we shutup, we'd never know where the other side was coming from, and we'd never get anywhere near a compromise.
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Originally posted by daenku32:
Kremit, I hope that one day you'll get to know a gay couple personally. Same for the rest of the gay-condemning community.
 Thanks for proving you don't read my posts. I said I know gay people and have no problem interacting with them. This is not gay condemning,,, get off of that. This is gay marriage issue.
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Originally posted by Andy W.:
I have no problems with the gay union movement. I'm not gay, so it doesn't effect me. I have no problem with homosexuals bind themselves legally to each other just like opposite sex couples do. My problem is with the tearing down of every institution that has been in place since the founding of this country. I.E Women demanding to be let into all male military schools, woman wanting to be get into all male golf course clubs. We don't demand to be apart of girl scouts or the red hat club.
That being said my argument is pretty much over the connotation/denoation of the word "marriage." For centuries it has stood for the union of a man and woman with the idea of build a family. I admit it's petty but can't this institution be left alone. Homosexuals are different so why not use a different word. Biologically they cannot produce offspring without external aid.
The whole idea of inclusion drives me nuts. While I don't believe anyone should be made fun of or discriminated against for being different. The fact is they are and situations have to handled differently. This has more to do with schooling than homosexuals.
-Andy
I like the way you said that point of view.
Why does a person's sexual orientation have such a factor in making them different? Honestly, we're all different, even if your neighbor shares the same creed, color, culture, heritage, background... you're still different. Nothing makes you a carbon copy of the guy next to you. So you like hip-hop, does that make you more different? You dress preppy, does that make you more different? You could be the greatest baseball player in the world, but as soon as you taste the salami that's all the world seems to remember you for. As a country, we should be making strides to be inclusive, not exclusive. Are we going to hide our eyes to the fact that within a matter of years minorities will be the majority in this country? I see a scared nation unwilling to change, and change is what the constitution is all about. A living document that amends itself according to time.
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