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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy but something to do with polygamists getting married. It will open a door to them (and possibly other weird things).
Ok, you've brought this up in nearly EVERY REPLY TO THIS THREAD!
Can you prove to me in one other instance where extending CIVIL RIGHTS to a minority has lead to other "wierd things"
Let me provide you with a few examples of the courts providing Civil Rights to Minorities. See if you can find one instance!
1840s - Movevement for Women to Vote is started, 19th Amendment in 1920 protects their right.
1915 - Restrictive voting laws that were enacted by state governments were declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court
1954 - Supreme Court unanimously agreeing that segregation in public schools is unconstitutional (Brown vs. BOE)
1965 - Congress passed the Voting Rights Act, provided additional voter protection (especially blacks)
1967 - A Virginia law against interracial marriages was struck down, with the Supreme Court declaring that marriage is a "fundamental civil right" and that decisions in this arena are not those with which the State can interfere unless they have good cause.
1970 - 26th Amendment Ratified to allow people 18 and older to vote
In this BRIEF timeline regarding Civil Rights, we see one common tie. Historically the Supreme Court has UPHELD Civil Rights when a majority is against it. I can only hope that this will continue. It is truly one of the fundamental strenghts of the United States.
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Originally posted by daenku32:
Originally posted by DESIGN:
Originally posted by CHF_Slapaho:
On the list of the issues that affect your country... outsourcing, the economy, Iraq, terror, wide open borders, education, social security... gays getting married is so insignificant that for anyone to pay any more attention than 5 minutes is unecessary. Everyone should have equal rights, there are no 2nd class citizens. Done.
If it were really insignificant the debate across our country wouldn't be the way it is. I beleive that the foundation of the family is a CORE issue in America and honestly it is more important than any of those other things.
Gay marriage will not prohibit a single traditional marriage from taking place.
True, but did you read what he said. Foundation of the family. To him and others, that does not involve two gay men. And it's our right to vote that way.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by CHF_Slapaho:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Lev 20:13
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."
- That settles it.
I don't believe in your Bible. That does not settle it.
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Which is exactly why you believe in Gay rights. You have no base for your moral beliefs.
I'm buddhist. How about the basis of my moral beliefs? No good? Do I need some good Christian influence to help me see your holier-than-thou point of view?
I'm sorry, Tim, that's a horse-honky defense. Even still, if your beliefs are in Jesus, God, the Bible, where in there did it say "Those who don't believe what you believe are wrong and you're put on Earth to condemn them," hmm?
I'm getting a little steamed, so I'm just gonna watch this post for a little while.  
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I wish you guys would just shut up. None of your are going to change the others mind.....
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Like when someone sues for something, it makes it through. Someone else jumps on with stupid case but based on other case it should pass as well. It's like that. No I don't know the specific examples. But they are out there. I can't gaurantee it will happen. I said it only as a possibility and definitely don't use it as the main reason I feel the way I feel.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by daenku32:
Originally posted by DESIGN:
Originally posted by CHF_Slapaho:
On the list of the issues that affect your country... outsourcing, the economy, Iraq, terror, wide open borders, education, social security... gays getting married is so insignificant that for anyone to pay any more attention than 5 minutes is unecessary. Everyone should have equal rights, there are no 2nd class citizens. Done.
If it were really insignificant the debate across our country wouldn't be the way it is. I beleive that the foundation of the family is a CORE issue in America and honestly it is more important than any of those other things.
Gay marriage will not prohibit a single traditional marriage from taking place.
True, but did you read what he said. Foundation of the family. To him and others, that does not involve two gay men. And it's our right to vote that way.
No, it's your right to LIVE that way and leave other people alone.
What's done is done. I hope something in the future can turn this around for everyone who's not Christian or straight.
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Originally posted by Derk2000:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by CHF_Slapaho:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Lev 20:13
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."
- That settles it.
I don't believe in your Bible. That does not settle it.
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Which is exactly why you believe in Gay rights. You have no base for your moral beliefs.
I'm buddhist. How about the basis of my moral beliefs? No good? Do I need some good Christian influence to help me see your holier-than-thou point of view?
I'm sorry, Tim, that's a horse-honky defense. Even still, if your beliefs are in Jesus, God, the Bible, where in there did it say "Those who don't believe what you believe are wrong and you're put on Earth to condemn them," hmm?
I'm getting a little steamed, so I'm just gonna watch this post for a little while.
Your right that we should not condemn anyone. And you do have a basis for your moral beliefs. You have the right to vote, as well as all Americans, and majority wins.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Like when someone sues for something, it makes it through. Someone else jumps on with stupid case but based on other case it should pass as well. It's like that. No I don't know the specific examples. But they are out there. I can't gaurantee it will happen. I said it only as a possibility and definitely don't use it as the main reason I feel the way I feel.
That's so F'n weak I don't even know how to respond. You know what, there are alot of things that are possible. Does that mean we shouldn't make laws because something else COULD happen? Comeon.
Until you can point to a single instance of a protection of Civil Rights causing some other "wierd" stuff to happen, I would truly reconsider that argument.
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People are scared about what they don't understand. They hide behind things (bible) or use them as crutches (religion) to protect themselves from the unknown or things that they cannot understand. Its human nature.
As for being a gateway for further changes... thats America...
I welcome open thinking and questioning of our current policy and ideas. Because of this women can vote, segregation is illegal etc. How is this different. If this were 50 years ago we would be talking about minorities rights. Wake up people, you cannot stop reality you cannot stop change.
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Originally posted by CHF_Slapaho:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by daenku32:
Originally posted by DESIGN:
Originally posted by CHF_Slapaho:
On the list of the issues that affect your country... outsourcing, the economy, Iraq, terror, wide open borders, education, social security... gays getting married is so insignificant that for anyone to pay any more attention than 5 minutes is unecessary. Everyone should have equal rights, there are no 2nd class citizens. Done.
If it were really insignificant the debate across our country wouldn't be the way it is. I beleive that the foundation of the family is a CORE issue in America and honestly it is more important than any of those other things.
Gay marriage will not prohibit a single traditional marriage from taking place.
True, but did you read what he said. Foundation of the family. To him and others, that does not involve two gay men. And it's our right to vote that way.
No, it's your right to LIVE that way and leave other people alone.
What's done is done. I hope something in the future can turn this around for everyone who's not Christian or straight.
I'm sure it's not just Christians that voted that way. I'm sure there are aethesists that don't believe in gay marriage.
AGAIN, I am not making any body not be gay. I and others believe a certain way that things should be including family and it is our right to vote as so to preserve this.
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