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Rkneeshaw... Marriage has been defined LONG BEFORE Christ ever existed. Romans practiced marriage as did the Greeks. And Jesus was a Jew and his family was also married. This is not a Christian-original idea, therefore the Christian community cannot take ownership of the institution.
If your church does not want to marry gays, that's well within the bounds of your church to decide, but your church doesn't run the country or my life and I will not abide by its rules.
DESIGN if you have such a problem with gays on TV, change the channel. I have a problem with Brittney Spears showing her ass all day long on TV, so I change the channel. You have a choice. It is immoral to remove someone elses right to choose no matter where they're from.
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My earlier statement meant that the homo-sexual community was not exactly represented in the media in a manner that showed them as Americans that just want to get by in the world. It is one of the reason that I do change the channel. I agree with you about the Spears thing.
The laws of America do not give anyone the RIGHT to be married. For that matter it is not a right. The laws of the States simply recongnize an existing institution and the benifits to society by supporting it.
I do not feel threatened by the thought of SSM but it would have detrimental effects on the country as a whole. If you think that it is hard to afford and keep medical benifits now it would be impossible if anyone could be considered a spouse.
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Originally posted by Fat Mike:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by Fat Mike:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
polygamy has already been an issue, before, this will open door for it agian.
and yes i'm sure my concerns cloud the issue, that's what people vote with is their concerns.
Will you show me some research or sources that support your argument that gay marriage will "open the doors for polygamy"? You're the first person I've encountered who has tried to use that as an argument. Please, enlighten me.
Research? NOpe , jsut think about it.
Yeah, I have, I'm waiting for you to actually think about it. Polygomy has been going on since the beginning of human culture: source
Gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with polygamy. Trying to use that as an argument against it is a weak cop out for not having any other solid argument against it. And Kremit, just a couple weeks ago you posted this:
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My fiffy cent: I don't think what we FEEL is right or wrong should be forced on others. I don't think gays should marry. Heck, I don't think ppl should be gay. But that's what i think, it's not for me to force onto others. Also, I believe in God and believe it's up to Him, ultimately, to decide what is right and wrong. No need to have it in written law, the day comes for each of us in which we must come before the Lord,,, let the judgement be then.
Something bad happen to you lately, buddy? Why such a change of heart in such a short time?
Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy but something to do with polygamists getting married. It will open a door to them (and possibly other weird things).
Nothing changed. I'm not trying to force my feelings on anyone. I didn't even vote. I'm just expressing my opinion. Though I believe keeping the law way it was goes with my opinion. I don't believe a constitutional ban is right, I do believe current laws were fine though.
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Originally posted by CHF_Slapaho:
Originally posted by Derk2000:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Just as it's someone's right to be gay, it's someone's else's right to not agree with it.
...and it's my goddamn right to make a law that descriminates against you because I don't agree with it.
Well then let me make it clear that I will be the first one creating a law against white people coming in my neighborhood because I don't agree with white people either. How logical does that sound?
You're a homophobe and that's fine, you don't have to like it. But there are no 1st or 2nd or 3rd class citizens in this country, if you earned it, you deserve to have your freedoms and no majority can take that from you.
Am I creating a law? Wow I didn't know that. But hey, if you feel so strongly against white people in your neighborhood, by all means, go ahead and try to make a law against them. That's your opinion, go for it.
I'm not scared of gay people, I don't get the phobe part of that definition (I know gay people, have no problem interacting with them). I don't agree with homosexuality, that's all. I didn't say there were any second rate citizens. Yes everyone deserves their freedoms, but I don't believe marriage is ANYTHING other than a legal union between MAN and WOMAN. This is just what I believe (well and the majority of america voted same), you don't have to agree with me.
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Originally posted by DESIGN:
The laws of the States simply recongnize an existing institution and the benifits to society by supporting it.
Hate to break this to you but gay people are already marrying in their religions and what not, even without the government institution. They are already doing the commitments. We have an existing same-sex marriage institution.
And there is no question that legal marriage's biggest value is the promise and government pressure to committed relationships (divorce requires court action). And there is certainly even more proof that committing to a relationship is sexually healthy.
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The bible is not just about the life of christ, it starts from the beginning of man (so long as you beleive in creation). And in that beginning, it was god that said that Adam should take Eve, a woman, as his wife. From then on, it was a bond between a man and a woman, instituted by god; the same god that condemns homosexuality.
Laws of countries and customs of all types of cultures are based on that first marriage.
Now if you don't beleive in the bible and creation, well then do what you want. But marriage, as defined by laws, is based on this religious ceremony from the bible's account of creation. There-in lies the problem.
This is a problem because of failure to seperate church and state when this country was founded. Unfortunately for the homosexuals, this country was founded on christian values which are based on the bible. But at the same time, this country prides itself in being fair and equal to all. Its a problem, but not my position to address it.
I do have a view though, and being christian, I don't want to see homosexuals be called "husband and husband" or whatever. Union, fine, whatever, but dont' be calling it marriage because it is against everything marriage has been defined as.
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Originally posted by CHF_Slapaho:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Not animal (atleast not flood, crazy folk tho probably do something) but polygamy yes, it's quite possible. But again, marriage has a definition. To me, by definition, gays can't be married.
And again... the point is... why is that your business anyways??! Are you not secure in your sexuality enough that you just might go down the animal route if tempted?
Where I or anybody else decide to put their dick is none of your business. Period.
Oo yes I would do many animals. 
Umm your right it's not my business unless it's against morals and laws. All our laws are based on morals and it's stupid to try to deny that. Maybe it's not your business if I kill people.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Lev 20:13
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."
- That settles it.
Doesn't quite settle it for everyone, but yes, this is basis for many people's feelings. It's their right for this to be their basis for how they feel.
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Originally posted by DESIGN:
My earlier statement meant that the homo-sexual community was not exactly represented in the media in a manner that showed them as Americans that just want to get by in the world. It is one of the reason that I do change the channel. I agree with you about the Spears thing.
I agree and I wonder why the powers that be in the major networks choose to portray them as such. You and I both know that there are many well respected gay individuals leading companies and serving in government positions that do not deserve the stigma that they get from this type of attention.
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The laws of America do not give anyone the RIGHT to be married. For that matter it is not a right. The laws of the States simply recongnize an existing institution and the benifits to society by supporting it.
I do not feel threatened by the thought of SSM but it would have detrimental effects on the country as a whole. If you think that it is hard to afford and keep medical benifits now it would be impossible if anyone could be considered a spouse.
But once you start deciding on the basis of race, creed, gender, culture, color, sexual orientation you are violating the American citizens basic civil rights that JFK, Martin Luther King and others fought so hard for. We are supposed to judge people on the basis that they are card carrying American citizens who are supposed to go through the same struggles that each of us goes through every day. As soon as someone starts deciding that some people are more citizen than others, it is discriminization which is unethical and unconstitutional. You can believe in the Bible or the Koraan or the Old Testament or whatever... but if you don't believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights you don't belong in this country at all.
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Originally posted by rkneeshaw3.0:
But marriage, as defined by laws, is based on this religious ceremony from the bible's account of creation.
Your local code must be different because the Indiana Code for marriage doesn't mention anything about Adam and Eve, the Bible, or any such requirement to keep marriage laws biblically acceptable.
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