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Originally posted by JaTo:
I think a change of language and a better conceptual definition of what "marriage" and "civil unions" really are would help both sides come to a solution...
I whole-heartedly agree.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
And what if a guy wants to marry 20 women. Or a horse. Or... I know those are extreme, but that's the point some people are making. It opens door for stuff. I think a civil would be ok. Marriage, by common definition, is The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife (dictionary.com). I'm not into changing long long standing traditions, especially ones that mean something to me.
Did giving women the right to vote open the door to household pets getting voting rights?
Of course not. And it's absolutely ignorant to even go down that slippery slope.
For hundreds if not thousands of years the concept of a divorce didn't exist -- we sure didn't mind altering the widespread traditional values and meaning of a marriage for that. Amazing how when something is convenient to people their opinion on it changes.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Just as it's someone's right to be gay, it's someone's else's right to not agree with it.
...and it's my goddamn right to make a law that descriminates against you because I don't agree with it.
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I think divorce has existed longer than you think, atleast in some cultures.
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I don't consider wanting to be able to marry wanting to become heterosexual. I'll be honest, I know of gays that want the term "civil union" used over "marriage". However, I have seen issues historically and within language of having the two as truly the same and equal. I look at it as removing an artificial gender restriction on the exact same commitment. Since it is the same commitment, it should be known by the same title. Feminism had substantial forays into the theory of androgyny (think Virginia Woolf), of having what is actually a genderless society. Also, as women were often objectified based on physical attributes (stating from the feminist point of view), they attempted to break away from having the attributes to objectify. Not to mention the considerable overlap with lesbians... 
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Originally posted by svtcarboy:
The fears of the slippery slope have no basis. The commitment remains the same, with a person choosing to enter a commitment with the person (s)he wants to spend the rest of their lives together.
Polygamy is not in the issue because it involves more than two consenting adults and completely changes the nature of the commitment and the relationship. Marrying an animal is completely different as animals are not able to express legal consent to any action.
People are spreading fear and paranoia as propaganda tools against gay marriage. They make no logical sense.
animal yeah... polygamy well if they all consent. i mean come on can't deny them that if they all love each other. it Is same commiment, just between multiple people together.
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Kremit - I don't think that's really an issue. Do you think that letting homosexuals marry will really let the floodgates open and a bunch of perverse animal-lovers and polygamists are going to storm capitol hill? Honestly, do you think that's going to be a consequence?
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Not animal (atleast not flood, crazy folk tho probably do something) but polygamy yes, it's quite possible. But again, marriage has a definition. To me, by definition, gays can't be married.
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Man, I just can't see polygamists becoming an issue in our lifetime. Either way, I think your concerns are clouding the issue.
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polygamy has already been an issue, before, this will open door for it agian.
and yes i'm sure my concerns cloud the issue, that's what people vote with is their concerns.
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