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Originally posted by Freakshow:

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We've been down this road on CEG many times and I don't really have the time to regurgitate everything I've said before but just a few things:

Those who keep saying the term "marriage" applies to a union of man and woman in a religious sense: How many people do you know today that are married but were NOT married in a church and have no religious affiliation? I know LOTS. Do you call them "civily unioned" or some garbage like that? No you call them MARRIED. That's just a BS excuse for people who want to prevent gays from being married.
As far as tradition and all that...look around you marriage has already changed a lot. We went from a time when marriages were ARRANGED (yeah that's real sacred) to a time where essentially no one could marry outside their race or religion, no one lived together or had sex BEFORE marriage, to today. Today, where people get married and divorced on a whim. Today, where there's more than a handful of TV "reality" shows making a circus of marriage. Today, where nearly every state has a no fault divorce law. And people have the audacity to talk about the SANCTITY of marriage? Please. What marriage and family is has drastically changed or the years (like it or not) and will continue to do so.
There was a time when the majority said it was ok to burn witches and heretics at the stake because they were the work of the devil. There was a time when the majority said that women shouldn't be allowed to vote. There was a time when the majority was for laws that discriminated against blacks...did that make the MAJORITY right back then? While this is not exactly the same issue the point is still there...it's discrimination pure and simple and all of the cover up bs excuses and religious jargon will not change that.

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Originally posted by Freakshow:

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Originally posted by sigma:

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I wonder if 100 years ago, when women were trying to get the right to vote, if people were saying "If we give it to you what's next? Is your dog gonna want to vote next?!"

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Zing!

Measure 36 in Oregon changed the constitution to say marriage can only be between one man and one woman. Voting no on the issue simply left the constitution as how it is [was...] and left the issue open for debate. Instead, people decided that there should be no room for discussion and set us way back in trying to establish basic rights for homosexuals.

Voting no on the measure would not have legalized gay marriage, and that's what none of the opposition seemed to understand. Now, every gay friend I have is depressed and devistated by the result of this ballot measure, while the people who voted yes on it can sleep well tonight thinking they did God's will by taking away the rights of those sinners. God gave man free will, why can't Christians give other people free will?

Originally posted by Fat Mike:

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Voting no on the measure would not have legalized gay marriage, and that's what none of the opposition seemed to understand. Now, every gay friend I have is depressed and devistated by the result of this ballot measure, while the people who voted yes on it can sleep well tonight thinking they did God's will by taking away the rights of those sinners. God gave man free will, why can't Christians give other people free will?

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Originally posted by svtcarboy:

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blah blah blah hate blah blah discrimination blah blah blah hate blah blah call me names blah blah blah harming me

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Originally posted by svtcarboy:

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While I was disappointed with the voters in those 11 states for adding hate and discrimination into thier Constitutions, reading this thread has left me bewildered.

I truly do not understand why people oppose gay marriage. Allowing homosexuals to make the commitment that too many heterosexuals take for granted does not have any effect on heterosexuals. Your marriage is suddenly not any less than it was, it is not preventing you from doing anything or affecting you in any way. It only allows gay and lesbian people equal access to a social institution.

Calling a homosexual couple a "civil union" while calling a heterosexual couple a "marriage" is the same as sending black children and white children to two different schools. Even if they are identical, they are not equal. This premise was ruled on by the Supreme Court in Brown v. Board, and applies to all governmental institutions, including marriage.

The slippery slope of polygamous marriage (totally different type of commitment) or of close relatives (potential for biological harm) are unrelated to removing gender discrimination in giving lifelong commitments equal billing.

I will only consider the term "civil union" acceptable and equal if all heterosexual commitments of the same type are given the same name.

I am not asking anyone to approve of gays or of gay marriage. You can hate it as much as you want, call me names on the street, whatever. I am not hurting you in any way or affecting you in any way by getting married. However, you are harming me when you put additional roadblocks between me and my right to marry the person I want to spend the rest of my life with.

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Good post. I challenge anyone who thinks gay marriage is wrong, to actually go out and become friends with a gay person. They're some of the coolest and most sincere people I know. I don't hang out with them and look at them as gay people, I see them as my friends. And plus gay guys always hang out with some really hot chicks.