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Originally posted by phil:

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Time to get out the physics book again...

It's easy to get hydrogen out of water. But the power you get out of the hydrogen is *less* than the electricity you used to get it. Looking for some science fun? All you need are a couple batteries, some paper clips and some salt water: http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Stories/001.1/

Another way to look at it: Petroleum is an "energy source"; we get more out of the gasoline (or whatever) than we put into drilling/refining/everything else we do to get it.
Hydrogen is (based on currently available technology) only an "energy form"; perhaps a convenient way to store or use energy, but it depends on an energy source being available to produce it.

Until this fundamental issue is resolved, developing fuel cell cars on a large scale simply won't make sense. Either we come up with a more efficient way to procedure hydrogen, or we come up with some other energy source so plentiful that any efficiency loss converting it to hydrogen isn't important.

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Wow, I guess you're smarter than he is then huh? He seems to have made it work.

Originally posted by phil:

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<sssiiiggghhhh>

Time to get out the physics book again...

It's easy to get hydrogen out of water. But the power you get out of the hydrogen is *less* than the electricity you used to get it. Looking for some science fun? All you need are a couple batteries, some paper clips and some salt water: http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Stories/001.1/

Another way to look at it: Petroleum is an "energy source"; we get more out of the gasoline (or whatever) than we put into drilling/refining/everything else we do to get it.
Hydrogen is (based on currently available technology) only an "energy form"; perhaps a convenient way to store or use energy, but it depends on an energy source being available to produce it.

Until this fundamental issue is resolved, developing fuel cell cars on a large scale simply won't make sense. Either we come up with a more efficient way to procedure hydrogen, or we come up with some other energy source so plentiful that any efficiency loss converting it to hydrogen isn't important.

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Originally posted by deftoned989:

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If that WERE true why in the hell would congress invite him to demonstrate his process for them?

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Originally posted by Pigeon:

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Because (a) Members of Congress aren't the brightest bulbs out there - politically savvy, good at raising money but generally not that bright. Trust me, I interned in Congress for a semester during undergraduate. The staffers, on the other hand, are generally very bright, highly motivated people. Good thing, since they're the ones running the country by controlling what information the Members they work for get. and (b) it makes for good publicity for Congress - "Look, we're trying to do something to reduce our dependency on foreign oil! Contribute money to my campaign!"

Scott

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Originally posted by deftoned989:

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Originally posted by Pigeon:

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Because (a) Members of Congress aren't the brightest bulbs out there - politically savvy, good at raising money but generally not that bright. Trust me, I interned in Congress for a semester during undergraduate. The staffers, on the other hand, are generally very bright, highly motivated people. Good thing, since they're the ones running the country by controlling what information the Members they work for get. and (b) it makes for good publicity for Congress - "Look, we're trying to do something to reduce our dependency on foreign oil! Contribute money to my campaign!"

Scott

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Well, I'm sorry but I'm not going to form my opinion of congress around your one semester internship, but regardless, I can publish an article that says I found the cure to AIDs and life on Mars, but that isn't going to get me an audience in congress. The fact that congress is interested proves there is at least some validity to the process.

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