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i know that alot of you all are going to take the words that i spoke and put it under a microscope.. but all im saying is the way you speak of immigrants. im not an immigrant but my parents were and they came here with nothing and now they are american citizens doing thier part. i do think that it is bad to have an immigrant come here and mooch off of us but at the same time i dont think its right to say that immigrants are bad. most of them work for what they want. now a days to be a LEGAL immigrant, it takes years. but back then it was easier?? or am i wrong. im very open to new things and learn about different perspectives and im not here to get anyone pissed at me but the ppl that didnt answer the question just made smart remarks about how to get rid of them.

but my answer is NO!! we shouldnt give them thier licenses because you use your license for everything most of the time dontyou???
this is for illegals anyways.

i say let them come if they are going to do thier part but if not..then yes send them back...




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Originally posted by tiv:
wow... 30 posts, and nobody even mentioned that if the legal system in this country would prevent ppl (good, honest, American citizens) offering jobs / cooperating in employing illegal immigrants, they'd have no reason to come...

you can deport them a hundred times, but they will still bounce back until they get their jobs and $$$ over here...

deporting, building walls and laying minefields sure requires less brain than thinking up proper laws and enforcing them to run your own country...

sorry for the rant.

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At the BK I used to work with countless Brazilians .. some who "didn't punch in" to our normal clock system. Hmm.

The funniest technique I witnessed though was a (nice) very aspiring woman who worked 12 hour shifts on the clock. She was "Angela" for the morning shift. Angela clocked out at around 2:00PM, precisely when "Christina" clocked in.

Yeah, the store manager doesn't work there anymore...

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Originally posted by blktour:
i dont think its right to say that immigrants are bad.


no one here has said they are. please reread my posts and tell me where i said immigrants are bad.
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now a days to be a LEGAL immigrant, it takes years.


well gee gosh and golly, who'da thunk? a bazillion people want in and we are sayin take a number. how horrible!?
Originally posted by blktour:
but back then it was easier?? or am i wrong.


and one used to be able to get dinner and a movie for under a dollar too. whats your point?


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Originally posted by Bk4293:
Big picture...Theyre not leaving. So we make it harder for them to get drivers license...Good idea!

That will get rid of them, right?

No, that will mean more of them driving without licenses and insurance. Then our insurance rates go up because our insurance compnies take the hit for all of the "illegals" that don't pay up for accidents.




LOL< OMG, that's rich. And you don't think that's happening right now? Here's a clue, in IL, we have mandatory insurance. Get caught driving without it, and it's a $500 fine plus costs. I still stop people all the time with no insurance. I say close the border for all but the established entrances. Remember a few years back when the government got sued because some illegals died of dehydration in the desert, trying to illegally enter the US? Their relatives claimed the US should have provided drinking water in the desert. F'in priceless.


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Originally posted by wontgrowup:
i was speaking to a Family member who lives in GA, who told me they are being "overrun" by Mexicans (!?!?)...One of them got drunk and slammed into a minivan, killing the driver and two passengers. Guess what....he lived. What are they going to do with him?? Deport him.....big deal....why can't we duct tape his ass to the front of a truck and "ghost ride" it into a brick wall?




We need to send them back to Mexico, but to far southern Mexico. Make it expensive for them to get back to the border again.


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Originally posted by 98 SE:
The funniest technique I witnessed though was a (nice) very aspiring woman who worked 12 hour shifts on the clock. She was "Angela" for the morning shift. Angela clocked out at around 2:00PM, precisely when "Christina" clocked in.





Last July the manufaturing facility I work for was audited by INS (Immigration and Naturalization Services) and we went from ~100 second shift employees down to ~12 (and I'm not exagerating) One of the people we "lost" was a supervisor named Oscar, 2 weeks later we had a new supervisor named Jose, and to the best of my abilities to tell it's the same human being. This is the type of thing that needs to be cracked down on.

Build a wall, lay out a mine field, put up schedule wire fences, line up gun tourrets, I don't care how the border is secured, but it needs to be secured.



Seriously Now, what we really need to do is organize a "new" Million Man March, but this time in Arizona and simply march 1Million+ Americans over the border into Mexico. The world community will react so quickly claiming that we are invading that we can draw international attention to the problem we are having. Otherwise, we should all write our representatives and have them recognise that the flood of illegals over the border is nothing more than an invasion, and an act of war on the part of Mexico for not acting against this. Then we can bomb the [cesored] out of Mexico and put an end to all of it. Although that might be a step too far. (kinda like anyone stepping over the border)


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Originally posted by my csvt:
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i say loaded 'em up and ship 'em back.


amen brother! and i even have an idea as to how. any of you guys seen those old war movies where paratroopers run out the back of a huge cargo plane and the parachutes automatically came open? lets do that. lets rig up a c5 galaxy or something, fly them down to southern mexico and push them out of the back of the plane. the chutes will automatically open and they can float back down. getting back to their homes is their problem. and if mexico doesn't like then too bad. we can send fighter escorts.

yes i know this can't actually be done but i like it anyways

Originally posted by svt4stv:
instead of standing around with binoculars why dont they grab bricks and shovels and build a real border? nah, too much work. we'll just sit in the back of our pickups and radio the border patrol when we see someone.


they can't build a wall or anything else for that matter on government property without permission. infact all they can do is sit back with binoculars and radio in when something happens. i applaud their efforts.




hehe, I just posted the same idea about southern mexico. at least we won't see them again next week, it would take a month or so....


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Originally posted by Sandman333:
Remember a few years back when the government got sued because some illegals died of dehydration in the desert, trying to illegally enter the US? Their relatives claimed the US should have provided drinking water in the desert. F'in priceless.




I remember that. What a waste of court time that was...

The best part is, is that the ACLU has "watchers" down there watching the minutemen...

Hmm, the ACLU? Involved in protecting the ILLEGALS?

Go figure...


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yes, it was much easier "back then"

it really doesnt matter what you, or anyone else in here for that matter, says. they are going to keep coming and there isnt much we can/will do to stop them. so we might as well just get used to it and adapt. this country has a history of drastic changes and another one is coming. if you dont believe it, then youre suffering from "ostridge syndrome" we are waaay past the point of "herding" them up and bussing them back home. do you know how many people are deported daily ?

as mentioned early, the only color this country has ever concerned itself with is green. there are countless stories of how farmworkers grew up to be success stories all over CA. not even hundred years ago you could just walk right in. there was no "legal" or "illegal" back then. many of those who migrated over here to find work did just that and had families and eventually bought land, etc...

while i dont like our present overcrowding situation here in CA im sure that will begin to change as they begin to spread out to the rest of the country while i would like them to adapt and become "americanized" as most other immigrants tend to do. it typically begins with the "new" generation that grows up here. this is evidenced in basically every group that has landed itself here since the beginning. I find it rather amusing that some people get so freaked out about it. it appears that some people are genuinely afraid of becoming the "minority" hey, if you dont like it, you can always just go back to Europe [flame suit on]


ps not one mexican person was involved with the 911 hijackings and those guys were welcomed with big open arms.

i dont condone illegal immigration at all. i think it is a very sad situation. i wish their country was in a state that was attractive for them to want to stay in. i find it sad that people actually equate them to "criminals" like drug dealers and murders. hello? there are two types of "crimes": those that are malum in se and those that are malum prohibitum. malum in se are crimes that are acts that are bad in nature. malum prohibitum crimes are those that are "bad" because they violate a statute. (this is in a nutshell for those who seek to google and contradict) illegal immigration is malum prohibitum. i see plenty of references in these boards to acts that are far worse and far more dangerous. most of us break laws everyday (malum prohibitum) and some even commit the malum in se. to sit there and say that trying to get to a country so you can work to provide food for your family, even if you have to do so illegally, is a heinous crime is just ridiculous. if you wouldnt break the law (in an especially non-violent and minimal way) to feed your family then i dont know even know what to say.

its always easier to sit back and play armchair quarterback when youre already on the winning team. I wonder how many of you would "do the right thing" and leave the country if you happened to find out that your grandparents, or whoever, came in illegaly. but since youre rest-assured (or at least nobody can prove otherwise) you dont even have to think about that and might even say you would. let me guess, you'd drop everything this instant and go back to Ireland, or Germany or England and wait for a few years until the proper paperwork was sorted out. [xxl flamesuit on]

ps its getting late, im rambling, and im going crazy sitting here studying for finals. dont take it personaly, no aim to attack anyone here. i like all you guys.


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