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Posted By: maven 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/19/06 09:09 PM
I have a 3.0L DOHC Duratec Engine(96) without variable valve timing.

I want to get about 50 extra horspower what do I need? I should have enough to do about anything needed, but I don't want to do the nos thing.
I am doing this to make things a little more comfortable and little bit more aggressive not for racing or anything.

I know 50hp is a bit much but I want to know how much I can get and what it will take.
Posted By: MapOfTaziFoSho Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/20/06 05:43 AM
Just spend the money on blow.
Posted By: ConcepTrs913 Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/20/06 06:57 AM
man nothings better then NOS...

screw nitrous and go with the NOS
Posted By: m4gician Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/20/06 03:36 PM
50 hp? Realistically, you'll need two rocket jetpacks on each side of your exhaust. Plus call batman up to see how he gets those flames out of his batmobile, those would add amazing gains
Posted By: Harrry Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/20/06 08:55 PM
Originally posted by maven:
I have a 3.0L DOHC Duratec Engine(96) without variable valve timing.

I want to get about 50 extra horspower what do I need? I should have enough to do about anything needed, but I don't want to do the nos thing.
I am doing this to make things a little more comfortable and little bit more aggressive not for racing or anything.

I know 50hp is a bit much but I want to know how much I can get and what it will take.




Well what mods do you have done to the 3 liter?

that will give us some idea to help you!!
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/20/06 11:56 PM
Originally posted by maven:
I have a 3.0L DOHC Duratec Engine(96) without variable valve timing.

I want to get about 50 extra horspower what do I need? I should have enough to do about anything needed, but I don't want to do the nos thing.
I am doing this to make things a little more comfortable and little bit more aggressive not for racing or anything.

I know 50hp is a bit much but I want to know how much I can get and what it will take.




Is the engine already installed? Do you want to add 50hp to a working 3L swap, or do yo umean you have a 2.5L and want to get 50HP from a 3L swap?
Posted By: MapOfTaziFoSho Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/20/06 11:56 PM
There is no helping this guy. I wish i had the power to lock threads like this.
Posted By: maven Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 01:40 AM
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
There is no helping this guy. I wish i had the power to lock threads like this.



Why is that?

I have had a 98 Tuarus with a Duratec that pushed 265hp, I have had a 99 Taurus with a Vulcan that pushed 315hp and a 96 SHO that pushed 380hp.

The problem is the company I bought the Duratec parts from went out of buisness about 7 years ago and I don't want to supercharge it like I did the SHO and SE.

I am wanting luxury not performance.

As for mods, I have done nothing...not even a K&N.
gtfo...
Headers, exhaust, optimization and a tune may get you close.
Posted By: TRicker Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 02:51 AM
LOL......i'll say the stupid answer then......


a 50 shot? lol!
Posted By: MapOfTaziFoSho Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 04:24 AM
Originally posted by maven:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
There is no helping this guy. I wish i had the power to lock threads like this.



Why is that?

I have had a 98 Tuarus with a Duratec that pushed 265hp, I have had a 99 Taurus with a Vulcan that pushed 315hp and a 96 SHO that pushed 380hp.

The problem is the company I bought the Duratec parts from went out of buisness about 7 years ago and I don't want to supercharge it like I did the SHO and SE.

I am wanting luxury not performance.

As for mods, I have done nothing...not even a K&N.







Posted By: Harrry Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 06:16 AM
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by maven:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
There is no helping this guy. I wish i had the power to lock threads like this.



Why is that?

I have had a 98 Tuarus with a Duratec that pushed 265hp, I have had a 99 Taurus with a Vulcan that pushed 315hp and a 96 SHO that pushed 380hp.

The problem is the company I bought the Duratec parts from went out of buisness about 7 years ago and I don't want to supercharge it like I did the SHO and SE.

I am wanting luxury not performance.

As for mods, I have done nothing...not even a K&N.












Sorry to pry but you got a standard vulcan 3.0 ohv dynoing at 315hp. that is striaght up bs.

Man this site is going down and going down fast.
Or maybe you are reading what you want to read just to bash him. What I gathered from his post is that he had some previous modded cars that did those numbers now he is looking into moding this engine and asked what to do in order to get 50hp.
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 12:06 PM
Originally posted by maven:

Why is that?

I have had a 98 Tuarus with a Duratec that pushed 265hp, I have had a 99 Taurus with a Vulcan that pushed 315hp and a 96 SHO that pushed 380hp.

The problem is the company I bought the Duratec parts from went out of buisness about 7 years ago and I don't want to supercharge it like I did the SHO and SE.

I am wanting luxury not performance.

As for mods, I have done nothing...not even a K&N.




So if you have a bare 3l engine then a set of MSDS headers, SVT cams, light headwork and intake work in the form of porting, open exhaust, and finally a retune of the PCM with SVT timing tables ought to make the engine produce an additional 50 HP over a STOCK 3L engine.
With an ATX, that may not help a lot though.
Posted By: maven Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Harrry:

Sorry to pry but you got a standard vulcan 3.0 ohv dynoing at 315hp. that is striaght up bs.

Man this site is going down and going down fast.



What is so hard to grasp about 315hp Vulcan considering all the market modifications: superchargers, pistons, cranks and exhaust/intake.?

My Duratec Taurus pulled 265hp but I am not willing to spend the money on this like I did on it, plus two of the companies I bought alot of parts for are no longer in buisness.

My SHO is my project car and I have spent close to 8k on it but it drowned and at the moment it was easier and cheaper to do this swap than to get it fixed.

Now if you wondering why I dont just get a universal supercharger for my contour it is because I am not wanting a street racer, I am wanting a sporty daily driver.

Originally posted by warmonger:
So if you have a bare 3l engine then a set of MSDS headers, SVT cams, light headwork and intake work in the form of porting, open exhaust, and finally a retune of the PCM with SVT timing tables ought to make the engine produce an additional 50 HP over a STOCK 3L engine.
With an ATX, that may not help a lot though.




Thank you Warmonger, here is what I already have in my garage left over from another project.

Borla Cat-back Exhaust splits into a dual (Contour)
Helix Cut Cold Air Intake (V8 SHO...I have a pipe bender)
ROSS Pistons (3L Duratec)
Pelican Steel Valves (3L Duratec)

I'll try and keep everyone updated as I go along.
Posted By: DanMyers Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 07:47 PM
Wait, this 3L is a 96? And you want to put it in what year Contour? ATX, MTX? The motor is not from the SHO is it? Sorry, I'm confused, regardless, read up on the 3L duratec, anything 2000 and under doesn't have a cam-driven water-pump like the Contour does, and IIRC (correct me if I'm wrong) will require 2.5 heads.
Posted By: posthuman63t Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 09:48 PM
or an electric waterpump?
Posted By: Harrry Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/21/06 10:51 PM
Originally posted by maven:
Originally posted by Harrry:

Sorry to pry but you got a standard vulcan 3.0 ohv dynoing at 315hp. that is striaght up bs.

Man this site is going down and going down fast.



What is so hard to grasp about 315hp Vulcan considering all the market modifications: superchargers, pistons, cranks and exhaust/intake.?





sooo. tell me what you added to this 3.0l year date of motor etc. it's an se 3.0l what year auto was it.

So please can you post a dyno.

Posted By: maven Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 12:32 AM
The engine swap is done it is a 3.0L Duratec from a 96LX, I swapped the wiring harness with it.

As for both my non-sho Tauri, I sold both of them to get a the Contour, used engine and SHO.

Here is what I had in my Vulcan (not complete):
Whipple Universal Supercharger
Shaker Intake
Ported Intake Runners and manifolds
Borla Split Exhaust
AX4N-E
Mallory Mechanical Fuel Pump w/ regulator
Borla Highflow Cat
Borla Cat-back exhaust
ROSS Forged Pistons
24/lb Fuel Injector
Trans GO Shift Kit
Hooker Coated Headers
Steel Valves from Napa
American CAM & Crank
60MM MAF
Mustang Throttle Body 60mm
Diablo Sport Delta Chip
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 02:24 AM
So just to clarify, is this question you have concerning your contour or your Taurus?
AND
Does your contour already have the 3L in it or still 2.5L?

Because if you only have a 2.5L in your Contour, just swapping in the 3L with the contour heads/intakes and stock fuel injection hardware will give you the extra 50 HP you are looking for. You add the other goodies and you will really be Sportin' at that point.


Just check out my website under the 2001 engine swap link
Posted By: maven Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 02:41 AM
I have already swapped the 3L into my 1998 SVT Contour. I ended up swapping over the complete wiring harness and had to get a new flywheel and ground down a section of the cam and weld washers to the cam to keep the flywheel in position.

After I figure out what I want done with the engine I will replace the cam.

Right now I am stuck driving my daughters Geo Tracker and would like to get a real car running soon.
Posted By: posthuman63t Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 02:47 AM
Am I stupid, or just missing something here....You cut and welded washers onto a cam to keep the flywheel in position?

WTF!
Posted By: TRicker Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 02:52 AM
yes. i'm pretty confused here too. there might be someone here that's half as smart as me, and i'm a caveman!
Posted By: maven Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 03:51 AM
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Am I stupid, or just missing something here....You cut and welded washers onto a cam to keep the flywheel in position?

WTF!



The flywheels didn't match up so I got a flywheel off a newer duratec, in order to make this work I had to ground down part of crank. Then I had used lobe spacers which I think arc welded the lobe spacers.

Also before some ass brings in the accusations and questioning my abilities.

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Posted By: posthuman63t Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 04:23 AM
you can be God for all I care, the post I replied to, you said Cam as in Camshaft. Not Crank...so I was like wtf.
orly gtfo...
Posted By: maven Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 04:43 AM
Sorry, I meant to have typed crank not cam
this thread belows...
Posted By: Harrry Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 05:19 AM
Originally posted by maven:
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Am I stupid, or just missing something here....You cut and welded washers onto a cam to keep the flywheel in position?

WTF!



The flywheels didn't match up so I got a flywheel off a newer duratec, in order to make this work I had to ground down part of crank. Then I had used lobe spacers which I think arc welded the lobe spacers.

Also before some ass brings in the accusations and questioning my abilities.

USAF Vietnam
1963-1965,1968-1970
(In-flight Mechanic & Navigation)
Rice University
Mathematics & Mechanical Engineer
(Machine Surfaces Turbine)
Rice University
Millwright Apprenticeship
(Journeyman Millwright)
University of Texas Chemical Engineer
(Petroleum)
Lone Star Steel Company
Foreman, Grub and Apprenticeship
Chrysler
Turbine Consultant and Surface Specialist.
Royal Dutch
Turbine Consultant and Petroleum Engineer.
Westing House
Turbine Design and Consultation.
Halliburton
Field Machinist and Surface Specialist
Saturn Motors
Machinist, Equipment Assembly, Foreman and Surface Specialist
Brown & Root
Petroleum Engineer and Turbine Engineer
Exxon
Petroleum Engineer, Turbine Engineer, Surface Specialist.
Carpenter and Millwright Association
Union Millwright Work








In all honesty if you did these major modifications, how come you can't figure out how to get 50 hp from a duratec? If you have already had a sho and a 315hp ohv 3.0liter??
With all this gread education and personal past with modifiying cars?

Since i have never seen a vulcan 3.0liter ever before do anything over 280whp.

This should be a cake walk for you.




Posted By: MapOfTaziFoSho Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 05:33 AM
This is retarded.
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 12:13 PM
Lets just lay off of him shall we??????


His post is no different than others in the duratec forums which state "What are the best mods to start with to gain HP..." etc.
If you don't like the post then don't respond. I don't think he is BS'ing anyone but you are putting him on the defensive before you even learn the story.
So if you can't contribute then.....
Bear in mind he is new and learning the duratec engine.

I myself am interested to see how someone else swapped in a 3L and got it to work....idea sharing right.

So all of you should just chill out
Posted By: MapOfTaziFoSho Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 12:17 PM
Originally posted by warmonger:
Lets just lay off of him shall we??????


His post is no different than others in the duratec forums which state "What are the best mods to start with to gain HP..." etc.
If you don't like the post then don't respond. I don't think he is BS'ing anyone but you are putting him on the defensive before you even learn the story.
So if you can't contribute then.....
Bear in mind he is new and learning the duratec engine.

I myself am interested to see how someone else swapped in a 3L and got it to work....idea sharing right.

So all of you should just chill out




Originally posted by maven:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
There is no helping this guy. I wish i had the power to lock threads like this.



Why is that?

I have had a 98 Tuarus with a Duratec that pushed 265hp, I have had a 99 Taurus with a Vulcan that pushed 315hp and a 96 SHO that pushed 380hp.

The problem is the company I bought the Duratec parts from went out of buisness about 7 years ago and I don't want to supercharge it like I did the SHO and SE.

I am wanting luxury not performance.

As for mods, I have done nothing...not even a K&N.





Tom this guy has us all trumpted as u can see above. He isn't learning anything seeing as he already owns a 265 hp duratec...
Posted By: Jeb Hoge_dup1 Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 01:08 PM
This...

Quote:

USAF Vietnam
1963-1965,1968-1970
(In-flight Mechanic & Navigation)





makes me inclined to believe him. I imagine he was one of those "emergency monkeywrenchers" who had to make stuff work RIGHT FREAKIN' NOW and came up with some unusual solutions (like patching holes in aircraft skins with unrolled Coke cans).
Posted By: rkneeshaw Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 05:27 PM
I dont know why I read this whole thread, but can we please just help this guy out?

I'd say with a 3L alraedy in the contour, then try to install headers, intake, svt cams, tune, all the stuff warmonger said.
Posted By: posthuman63t Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 07:57 PM
Well, what version of the 3L do you have? If it's a straight 3L then you can throw some svt components at it and get some power. On top of that, full exhaust and a CAI or SR Intake and add a tune. All that stuff would work the best at getting you 50 more hp on top of a straight 3L. If you have most of that done, pretty much the only thing you can do for that much of a jump is nitrous, which you said you don't want to do.
Posted By: maven Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 08:28 PM
To everyone who has responded with a constructive answer, thank you.

For every one wondering what/why/how on this car and my other cars. I don't want this to be a project car, if I wanted it to be like my other cars then I would spend the effort to have the parts machined, I would spend the effort to track down the performance parts that are no longer made. But this isn't suppose to be a project car this is suppose to be a daily driver something I can use while I work on my long term project car. That is why I am wanting to use production parts and gather knowledge from other people.

As far as the Vulcan is concerned there is a life lesson to be taught in it. Do not criticize an unknown absolute, that you do not know.

Morana Demo Car: Ford Taurus Vulcan, 400hp
Several Vulcan powered Ford Rangers, 300hp
BOSS 3.0 Ford Ranger: More than 350hp at the wheels
Ford Racing Vulcan Powered Probe: IIRC 450hp at the crank
The stomach turning amounts of Sable and Taurus owners over an 18 year period that have done everything you can imagine.

The Vulcan can use several V6 SHO and 302 parts, and it is no longer uncommon to see a Vulcan running 225hp (Stock Wheels) naturally aspirated from non-custom parts. Then you consider the fact that Whipple makes both a dedicated and universal Supercharger for the Vulcan Engine and that the engine will easily take a turbocharger or two, it seems harder to believe that there are not many more Vulcan engines breaking the 300hp mark. The Vulcan engine is still in it infancy when it comes to the hobbyist markets.
Posted By: Harrry Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/22/06 10:25 PM
Originally posted by maven:
To everyone who has responded with a constructive answer, thank you.



Morana Demo Car: Ford Taurus Vulcan, 400hp
Several Vulcan powered Ford Rangers, 300hp
BOSS 3.0 Ford Ranger: More than 350hp at the wheels
Ford Racing Vulcan Powered Probe: IIRC 450hp at the crank
The stomach turning amounts of Sable and Taurus owners over an 18 year period that have done everything you can imagine.






Now you stepped over your head. Look on the rps boards i have been a member since boss joined. I know his whole story with knomas knight. I talked to him alot!!

Do not lie he didn't no make 350 at the wheels nor does he now .

Don't make me get him come onto these boards to prove your wrong.

I worked on the vulcan desgin for 8 years doing performance.

I owned a ranger 3.0liter.
I owned the 3.0l liter taurus upper intake manifold that was made on those baords . Chooped runners with the new flange for a mustang tb. I bought the 3rd one made.

Sorry i have held my self back untill now you are pulling crap out your behind.


BOSS has the 3liter 4v4 which mated a t-5 transmission then he had thomas knight send him the supercharger kit, which was later called a knight-mare becuase it was junk. Boss couldn't get his money back so redesign the whole supecharger kit. Then he went with the whipple kit later.

So please he was the first supecharged 3;0 liter ranger out there.

The twin turbo ranger right now doesn't even make 350 at the wheels it made 298.

I test drove th new whipple ranger at teh tet track in derborn heights before it was drelased to the public. so please shhush!!!! Sorry man wrong!!!

That engine has been aroud for more than 18 years. It's more like 26 years.

By the way te few vulcan rangers are at 220 hp trucks.

Average ranger makes 97whp. going to 350 is alot,!!!
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/23/06 01:18 AM
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Lets just lay off of him shall we??????


His post is no different than others in the duratec forums which state "What are the best mods to start with to gain HP..." etc.
If you don't like the post then don't respond. I don't think he is BS'ing anyone but you are putting him on the defensive before you even learn the story.
So if you can't contribute then.....
Bear in mind he is new and learning the duratec engine.

I myself am interested to see how someone else swapped in a 3L and got it to work....idea sharing right.

So all of you should just chill out




Originally posted by maven:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
There is no helping this guy. I wish i had the power to lock threads like this.



Why is that?

I have had a 98 Tuarus with a Duratec that pushed 265hp, I have had a 99 Taurus with a Vulcan that pushed 315hp and a 96 SHO that pushed 380hp.

The problem is the company I bought the Duratec parts from went out of buisness about 7 years ago and I don't want to supercharge it like I did the SHO and SE.

I am wanting luxury not performance.

As for mods, I have done nothing...not even a K&N.





Tom this guy has us all trumpted as u can see above. He isn't learning anything seeing as he already owns a 265 hp duratec...




Hmm, I didn't catch that before.....
Posted By: Blackcoog_dup1 Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/23/06 11:46 AM
Quote:

thomas knight send him the supercharger kit, which was later called a knight-mare




My kit from him is almost there at least. Thomas Knight isn't the smartest guy but with some help I'll get him to make something that works the way it should.
Posted By: RawBurt Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/23/06 08:36 PM
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
This is retarded.




Pete, relax would ya... The forums aren't going downhill and these threads wouldn't turn into such disasters, if it weren't for the flaming.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd want to be taking 3L advice from you anyway. See dyno forum

... btw, that was a joke, chill.
Posted By: Harrry Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/23/06 11:15 PM
Originally posted by RawBurt:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
This is retarded.




Pete, relax would ya... The forums aren't going downhill and these threads wouldn't turn into such disasters, if it weren't for the flaming.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd want to be taking 3L advice from you anyway. See dyno forum

... btw, that was a joke, chill.




your gonna die rawbutt.
Posted By: MapOfTaziFoSho Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/24/06 12:59 AM
Originally posted by RawBurt:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
This is retarded.




Pete, relax would ya... The forums aren't going downhill and these threads wouldn't turn into such disasters, if it weren't for the flaming.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd want to be taking 3L advice from you anyway. See dyno forum

... btw, that was a joke, chill.





And yes this thread is still retarded...the guy comes here throwing out random ass numbers for some 3L duratec he did in a taurus. My point is, if he got a 3L in a taurus to 265hp then why in the [censored] would he need to ask how to get 50 hp out of the same [censored] engine...
Posted By: tsSVT Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/24/06 01:01 AM
I know this is juvenile,but damn,I want the time back I wasted reading this duma$$ thread. Has anyone even told him he can find ALL the info he needs if he would search?
Posted By: posthuman63t Re: 3.0L Duartec wanting 50hp gain. - 08/24/06 02:22 AM
I think so...not to mention that it was also added what he can add to the engine (bolt-ons), and tuning were the only things he can do to really get more power assuming he hasn't done them already. Again, this is assuming he is already using svt cams. Other than that the only thing he can do to add that much power is FI. (cheapest route being nitrous)


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