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jd2-98s
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1060154 (Re: Kremithefrog) 09/27/05 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
No you don't. Hold the cams.




You know i covered this in another post, only problem is they PM back that loosening the cam gears was the trick and fixed there problem... Anytime I've tried to not loosen the gears the locking tool gets jammed in the end of the cams because the belt tension tries (though it can't) to turn the cams, which inturns puts pressure on the locking tool and then it doesn't slide out... Any other method and your engine is off timing, by 2-3deg which isn't even a full tooth.. Skipping this step is lazy.



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'98 Contour GL 2.0L VCT ATX 88k
'98 Contour LX 2.5L MTX 120k

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Tony2005
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1060183 (Re: jd2-98s) 09/27/05 02:54 PM

Originally posted by jd28:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
No you don't. Hold the cams.




You know i covered this in another post, only problem is they PM back that loosening the cam gears was the trick and fixed there problem... Anytime I've tried to not loosen the gears the locking tool gets jammed in the end of the cams because the belt tension tries (though it can't) to turn the cams, which inturns puts pressure on the locking tool and then it doesn't slide out... Any other method and your engine is off timing, by 2-3deg which isn't even a full tooth..



You mean.. like on this thread/post.

http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=zetecmaint&Number=1031060&Forum=zetecmaint&Words=timing%20belt&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Old=3months&Main=1027411&Search=true#Post1031060



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Edited by Tony2005 (09/27/05 02:57 PM)

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Kremithefrog
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1060322 (Re: jd2-98s) 09/27/05 04:51 PM

Again, you do NOT have to loosen the cam gear bolts.
Hold the cams some way. I do not mean just the bar in the back, that is stupid just to use that and could break the cams. I wouldn't recommend the way I did it either (so I won't say what it was in this post), but it worked. Ford sells a tool for doing it or you can make your own relatively easily.

In any case, loosening the cam gear bolts is unneeded and potentially could cause problems as well. Just do what you are supposed to do and use a tool or something to hold everything from moving.

And of course I'm talking non-vct here. I have no idea if vct requires something to be done different. VCT sucks and if you have it, you should swap a non-vct engine in.

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jd2-98s
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1060444 (Re: Kremithefrog) 09/27/05 06:47 PM

Ok your way is the right way... boo hoo I have a vct engine idiot states I should swap it boo hoo.

JD

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'98 Contour GL 2.0L VCT ATX 88k
'98 Contour LX 2.5L MTX 120k

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Kremithefrog
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1060617 (Re: jd2-98s) 09/27/05 10:04 PM

Yeap. Throw it in garbage. It's junk.

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jd2-98s
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1061058 (Re: Kremithefrog) 09/28/05 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Yeap. Throw it in garbage. It's junk.




I really hope you don't work on cars for a living.. As far as pulling the VCT for a non VCT, well what little HP gain you would get wouldn't be worth it. What would be worth it is going right for the 2.5L V6. Up against that both our engine fall in your junk listing.

JD28

PS I still think your an idiot. Nothing is more correct then a service manual, and it doesn't use your method, no wood used.




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'98 Contour LX 2.5L MTX 120k

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jd2-98s
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1061059 (Re: jd2-98s) 09/28/05 11:01 AM

Originally posted by sk8token:
OK, I finished the car over the weekend and wanted to post for anyone interested and maybe future searchers.

Loosening the camshaft sprocket bolts was the trick. For some reason, when I put in the new timing components, nothing would line up unless I left some slack at the top between the two pullies. Of course it didn't like this and ran rough, and there was slack, so I loosened the camshaft sprocket bolts and allowed the sprockets to freewheel while I tensioned the belt.

Worked perfectly. Nice even tension and the engine runs smooth and crisp as ever. Thanks for all of your suggestions/help.






Funny how it solved his problem... Hey it's a 96 zetec... Hmmm guess thats means it's a non-vct...Stop trying to justify why you did yours wrong and stop giving out incorrect unbias information to users, your going to help someone alright, drive around off timing. idiot.




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"Don't Panic"

'98 Contour GL 2.0L VCT ATX 88k
'98 Contour LX 2.5L MTX 120k

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Kremithefrog
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1061259 (Re: jd2-98s) 09/28/05 04:36 PM

Originally posted by jd28:

I really hope you don't work on cars for a living.. As far as pulling the VCT for a non VCT, well what little HP gain you would get wouldn't be worth it. What would be worth it is going right for the 2.5L V6. Up against that both our engine fall in your junk listing.

JD28

PS I still think your an idiot. Nothing is more correct then a service manual, and it doesn't use your method, no wood used.






Welll uh oh I do work on cars for a living. Sorta. Oil changes and tires mainly. There would be NO hp gain. And you're right, both non-vct and vct zetecs should be in the junk listing. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd throw mine away.

PS Love you too. You're right nothing is more correct than a service manual. And what da ya know, I have the 1996 Ford Service manual right here. And guess what? It says NOTHING about loosening the cam gear bolts. No the wood I used is not the correct way, but it worked. I do not recommend it. I recommend Ford tool or equivelant part number : T74P-6256-B


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Kremithefrog
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1061261 (Re: jd2-98s) 09/28/05 04:38 PM

Originally posted by jd28:

Funny how it solved his problem... Hey it's a 96 zetec... Hmmm guess thats means it's a non-vct...Stop trying to justify why you did yours wrong and stop giving out incorrect unbias information to users, your going to help someone alright, drive around off timing. idiot.



Not funny at all. He didn't use the Ford tool or equivalant so that was the only way to fix it. So yeah, he screwed up and had to fix it because he didn't do it the right way the first time. I'm not justifying anything. I'm telling people the way FORD says to do it. Which works. Worked for me and many many others. Gosh idiot. The liger is pretty much my favorite animal.

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91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)

FS: SVT rear sway bar
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Re: Thank God this is a non-interference engine new
#1061348 (Re: Kremithefrog) 09/28/05 05:59 PM

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