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stocksvtcontour
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nitrous
#1293150 - 08/03/06 08:31 PM

what is difference between link and link
I am still researching a lot more before I buy, but always looking out for a better deal. I just wanted to know if it is possible for me to use the first kit easily as the second.
thanks
joe

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posthuman63t
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Re: nitrous new
#1293183 (Re: stocksvtcontour) 08/03/06 09:17 PM

Then dif. is one is for an RSX and one is for the contour. Venom makes their kits to be model specific. I don't know what exactly is different, but I'd suspect maybe line lengths/install directions/etc to be dif. I have no idea for sure, send an email to venom and ask them the specs on each kit and what exactly is dif.

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Re: nitrous new
#1293193 (Re: posthuman63t) 08/03/06 09:39 PM

Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Then dif. is one is for an RSX and one is for the contour. Venom makes their kits to be model specific. I don't know what exactly is different, but I'd suspect maybe line lengths/install directions/etc to be dif. I have no idea for sure, send an email to venom and ask them the specs on each kit and what exactly is dif.




Yea shoot Venom an e-mail.

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99 TRed Contour SVT # 1853 out of 2760
230.2 WHP @ 6500
237.0 WTR @ 2250

Originally posted by MxRacer:
Originally posted by RawBurt:
I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.




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evocontour
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Re: nitrous new
#1295137 (Re: Tourige) 08/07/06 01:22 PM

Most of it has to do with the computer box that comes with it. If that box wasn't hooked up or operating properly it would just be spraying nitrous only. They are VERY model specific.
HENRY

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95 Contour, Custom EVO bodykit, 2.0l, PNP Focus head, Stage 2 cams, Je pistons, Eagle rods, 4in1header, 2.5" header back exhaust(complete stainless), D P nitrous, ram air intake, 10mm wires, flamethrower.

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TRicker
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Re: nitrous new
#1295538 (Re: evocontour) 08/07/06 09:41 PM

NX......all i gota say is NX

venom is considered GOOD but like these guys say, they are not quite so universal as a NX kit. plus NX is proven the highest flowing-least surging system there currently is. it's just da best baby!

plus they have a ford EFI kit that has every fitting you need, minus maybe a 90 for your fuel line, and a fuel press. guage if you want one.

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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Re: nitrous new
#1295553 (Re: TRicker) 08/07/06 10:09 PM

Originally posted by TRicker:
NX......all i gota say is NX

venom is considered GOOD but like these guys say, they are not quite so universal as a NX kit. plus NX is proven the highest flowing-least surging system there currently is. it's just da best baby!

plus they have a ford EFI kit that has every fitting you need, minus maybe a 90 for your fuel line, and a fuel press. guage if you want one.




not everyone likes solenoids sitting everywhere. and wires going everywhere.


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99 TRed Contour SVT # 1853 out of 2760
230.2 WHP @ 6500
237.0 WTR @ 2250

Originally posted by MxRacer:
Originally posted by RawBurt:
I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.




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Re: nitrous new
#1295610 (Re: Tourige) 08/07/06 11:34 PM

2 black wire looms and 4 braided lines, and billet aluminum solenoids. it looks sweet.

but apparently, not everyone wants to go fast. some just want to put new motors in there cars by using kits that have proven failure. to each his own. i just dont understand why anybody would want a kit that puts down about 70% of the claimed HP when NX gives more than the claimed, without oversizing the jets or surging or puddling.

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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Re: nitrous new
#1295654 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 12:55 AM

Originally posted by TRicker:
2 black wire looms and 4 braided lines, and billet aluminum solenoids. it looks sweet.

but apparently, not everyone wants to go fast. some just want to put new motors in there cars by using kits that have proven failure. to each his own. i just dont understand why anybody would want a kit that puts down about 70% of the claimed HP when NX gives more than the claimed, without oversizing the jets or surging or puddling.




Cause you know everyone on here who has had a Venom kit has blown an engine

Same with the Zex kits.. Actually i bet more people prefer the Zex and Venom kits over the NX kits.

can you please explain to me why the Venom/Zex kits put down 70% of said HP and NX puts down 100%, id love to know why.

And puddling can happen on any kit, it all depends on the nozzle placement and how clean the nozzle is.



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99 TRed Contour SVT # 1853 out of 2760
230.2 WHP @ 6500
237.0 WTR @ 2250

Originally posted by MxRacer:
Originally posted by RawBurt:
I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.




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TRicker
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Re: nitrous new
#1295658 (Re: Tourige) 08/08/06 01:00 AM

lol. howabout this. we both get on a dyno, and put in say, a 100 shot jet. take a pull N/A, and a pull on the bottle. i'l put down over 100 extra HP, you'll put down a measly 65, or 70 if your lucky. its been proven. ESPECIALLY with the standard solenoid NOS brand kits. it's 15 year old technology they dont upgrade anything they just keep selling the kits! NX always has new solenoids coming out and the shark nozzle is claimed to be the best nozzle you can buy for a fogger system. sorry to make it sound like all venom kits are bad but i have witnessed more than 1 car detonate on a ZEX kit. ps. fill the bottle up, and bring it.

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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posthuman63t
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Re: nitrous new
#1295683 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 01:39 AM

Originally posted by TRicker:
lol. howabout this. we both get on a dyno, and put in say, a 100 shot jet. take a pull N/A, and a pull on the bottle. i'l put down over 100 extra HP, you'll put down a measly 65, or 70 if your lucky. its been proven. ESPECIALLY with the standard solenoid NOS brand kits. it's 15 year old technology they dont upgrade anything they just keep selling the kits! NX always has new solenoids coming out and the shark nozzle is claimed to be the best nozzle you can buy for a fogger system. sorry to make it sound like all venom kits are bad but i have witnessed more than 1 car detonate on a ZEX kit. ps. fill the bottle up, and bring it.




You really have to lose the attitude. No one is being a jerk to you, so don't overlook others knowledge they like don't knwo squat. This is the second post I've seen with you trying to instigate something. If you want to say something informative about YOUR experiences then do so, but don't throw out opinions as facts without some sort of proof.

I'd like to add, any Nitrous system is as safe as the next as long as it is installed properly and running a safe shot of nitrous. It's just that some kits have included more safety measures than others, and some are a cleaner/more easy install than others.

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2000 Contour SVT
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TRicker
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Re: nitrous new
#1295688 (Re: posthuman63t) 08/08/06 01:46 AM

im sick of people telling me what i have to do. if you have a problem with me talk to a moderator, or whatever you wanna do. dont tell me how to act though. the fact is, these people are going to waste there money on kits that will cause them problems. i have a kit and i use it every weekend. thats a 40$ tank of nitrous going into the engine (not out the purge, like a ricer) every weekend, in about every situation, and its still kicking. i'm just trying to force the fact taht the best kit is NX and its proven.

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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SVT SNOB
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Re: nitrous new
#1295689 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 01:47 AM

Originally posted by TRicker:
lol. howabout this. we both get on a dyno, and put in say, a 100 shot jet. take a pull N/A, and a pull on the bottle. i'l put down over 100 extra HP, you'll put down a measly 65, or 70 if your lucky. its been proven. ESPECIALLY with the standard solenoid NOS brand kits. it's 15 year old technology they dont upgrade anything they just keep selling the kits! NX always has new solenoids coming out and the shark nozzle is claimed to be the best nozzle you can buy for a fogger system. sorry to make it sound like all venom kits are bad but i have witnessed more than 1 car detonate on a ZEX kit. ps. fill the bottle up, and bring it.




How about at SZ07 ?

Aaron

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AKA NVS SVT
98.5 Silver/Blue SVT#4553
Yeah it's modded
98 T-Red/Blue SVT Contour Totaled 06/05/06
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Re: nitrous new
#1295691 (Re: SVT SNOB) 08/08/06 01:50 AM

enlighten me. i dont get out enough to know what your talking about friend, i actually work on my car more than i drive it, it's a ford. LOL

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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SVT SNOB
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Re: nitrous new
#1295694 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 01:53 AM

Originally posted by TRicker:
enlighten me. i dont get out enough to know what your talking about friend, i actually work on my car more than i drive it, it's a ford. LOL




Rookie! j/k. Spring Zing is an annual meet that is held. SZ07 is supposed to be in Grand Rapids Michigan. There is a dyno day there, so I was responding reference to your comment about comparing nitrous kits .

Aaron

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AKA NVS SVT
98.5 Silver/Blue SVT#4553
Yeah it's modded
98 T-Red/Blue SVT Contour Totaled 06/05/06
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posthuman63t
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Re: nitrous new
#1295697 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 01:55 AM

Originally posted by TRicker:
im sick of people telling me what i have to do. if you have a problem with me talk to a moderator, or whatever you wanna do. dont tell me how to act though. the fact is, these people are going to waste there money on kits that will cause them problems. i have a kit and i use it every weekend. thats a 40$ tank of nitrous going into the engine (not out the purge, like a ricer) every weekend, in about every situation, and its still kicking. i'm just trying to force the fact taht the best kit is NX and its proven.




WILL give problems?...show me proof of this and I'll leave you alone.

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TRicker
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Re: nitrous new
#1295702 (Re: posthuman63t) 08/08/06 02:03 AM

i'll ask the cavilier that blew up for pics of his internals? what the hell do u want, an autopsy of a car? sorry dude, zex spells junk to me. spring zing 07 is a definate possiblity. by then i'll be over 350 anyways

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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posthuman63t
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Re: nitrous new
#1295707 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 02:06 AM

wow, one car had problems...that isn't even a ford, let alone a tour. Did he install it himself, or did a shop? Oh wait...i bet that has nothing to do with it...Installs don't need to be done correctly...its all about the "brand"

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Re: nitrous new
#1295708 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 02:06 AM

Anyone who makes all these broadbrush claims is an idiot.

I had a NOS kit on another car...it was a 100hp dry and made 100 to the wheels.



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Re: nitrous new
#1295709 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 02:06 AM

See you at SZ then, Venom vs NX . 350 what other plans do you have?

Aaron

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AKA NVS SVT
98.5 Silver/Blue SVT#4553
Yeah it's modded
98 T-Red/Blue SVT Contour Totaled 06/05/06
03 3L,VCN 2000,CAT Cams,MSDS Headers w/Y-Pipe,XCal2 and lots more



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Re: nitrous new
#1295717 (Re: SVT SNOB) 08/08/06 02:14 AM

dual stage direct port on forged internals. apparently diamond racing will make any C/R piston i want so i am going to see about getting 12:1. ive got a stage3 disc and if thats nice i'll put a fresh one in this winter. the ports will be opened up slightly on the exhaust side with a set of custom longtube headers mating to a 3" single exhaust (back to duals at 2.5") i still need to see what i can do for cams, but im thinking ST200 valvesprings and maybe CAT cams if theres nothing else. the secondaries will be opened up and a billet aluminum spacer is going in (assuming i can make it work, its being drawn up now) my nitrous nozzles will be placed in the spacer and then bolted between the upper and lower intakes. 3 litre valves will go on the stock 2.5L heads. originally i planned on running alot less nitrous than i wanted to but i think i can run a first stage of 150 and a second of 100 totaling at 250 and hopefully stage2 axles are enough to keep the front end from hurting myself or someone else. if the car revs like i plan i should hit the first stage at 3200 rpm and the second at 5500 and it should rev out to 8400 rpm if it would all work out the way i wanted. we dont live in a perfect world though, we'll have to see. as for this fall, before the new engine is done i'll have a dual stage setup with a 75 and 50 shot on it. we'll see how the stock axles hold up on that and a stage3 clutch.

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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Re: nitrous new
#1295721 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 02:18 AM

Sounds like a killer set up, keep me posted . I look forward to seeing the car in person. Also be prepared to drop serious money on the CAT Cams!

Aaron

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AKA NVS SVT
98.5 Silver/Blue SVT#4553
Yeah it's modded
98 T-Red/Blue SVT Contour Totaled 06/05/06
03 3L,VCN 2000,CAT Cams,MSDS Headers w/Y-Pipe,XCal2 and lots more



Edited by SVT SNOB (08/08/06 02:19 AM)

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Re: nitrous new
#1295722 (Re: SVT SNOB) 08/08/06 02:20 AM

yeah. this is obviously a very expensive build, and i could have a faster V8 for the money. but its still gonna be damn cool. it may not sound feasable but if it doesnt happen, a turbo is. i would rather run direct port because i havent heard of many direct port setups on these cars.

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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Re: nitrous new
#1295727 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 02:23 AM

Sure you could have a faster V8 but where is the fun in that when it's been done many times . Eihter way good luck with the build up.

Aaron

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AKA NVS SVT
98.5 Silver/Blue SVT#4553
Yeah it's modded
98 T-Red/Blue SVT Contour Totaled 06/05/06
03 3L,VCN 2000,CAT Cams,MSDS Headers w/Y-Pipe,XCal2 and lots more



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Re: nitrous new
#1295735 (Re: SVT SNOB) 08/08/06 02:27 AM

hey i got a question. what did those cat cams run you? i havent looked into them much but where can i get specs on them?

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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posthuman63t
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Re: nitrous new
#1295739 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 02:30 AM

I think www.ctamotorsports.com has the specs on them

Edit"

Cost = $1059

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Edited by posthuman63t (08/08/06 02:33 AM)

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Re: nitrous new
#1295757 (Re: posthuman63t) 08/08/06 02:40 AM

do you have any before and after dyno sheets by chance? LOL didnt think so. thats an expensive set of cams, damn. i did hear that there are some adjustable cam gears that terry haines has fabbed up to go on those cams so that would be a bonus for the nitrous setup

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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Re: nitrous new
#1295758 (Re: TRicker) 08/08/06 02:40 AM

Check your PM, I forgot to add in my PM that mine are Stage 4.

Aaron

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AKA NVS SVT
98.5 Silver/Blue SVT#4553
Yeah it's modded
98 T-Red/Blue SVT Contour Totaled 06/05/06
03 3L,VCN 2000,CAT Cams,MSDS Headers w/Y-Pipe,XCal2 and lots more



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Re: nitrous new
#1295799 (Re: SVT SNOB) 08/08/06 03:16 AM

Tricker, its apparent that you know what your talking about and you have big aspirations for your car. But you dont need to go around bashing other products that have been PROVEN to work. And like others have said. Any nitrous system can be safe or unsafe its all in the tuning/install.



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99 TRed Contour SVT # 1853 out of 2760
230.2 WHP @ 6500
237.0 WTR @ 2250

Originally posted by MxRacer:
Originally posted by RawBurt:
I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.




much like your weiner.




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Re: nitrous new
#1304393 (Re: TRicker) 08/22/06 02:58 AM

Originally posted by TRicker:
im sick of people telling me what i have to do. if you have a problem with me talk to a moderator, or whatever you wanna do. dont tell me how to act though. the fact is, these people are going to waste there money on kits that will cause them problems. i have a kit and i use it every weekend. thats a 40$ tank of nitrous going into the engine (not out the purge, like a ricer) every weekend, in about every situation, and its still kicking. i'm just trying to force the fact taht the best kit is NX and its proven.







If you're sick of people telling you what to do, stop posting with such arrogance.

I look forward to seeing your 2 stage direct port $5000.00+ engine & tranny running on the dyno at SZ. Or anywhere else for that matter. I tend to believe what I see.

I'm also glad you have such conviction in NX. It helps to believe in the products one uses. They make a quality product from what I've read. The best? That's an opinion. Your feeble attempt at defining 'best' is a bit short in the validity department.

Case in point? Purge valves. Yep Ricers use them to look cool. So do Top Fuel Dragsters costing a couple of hundred grand. I wonder why? Probably to look cool. Ricers aren't getting anything out of it performance wise; that doesn't mean purge valves are for show only. They serve a purpose. And, if I were dropping the coin you intend to on a very highly strung and stressed motor I'd be considering the value of a purge valve to insure mixtures hitting my expensive motor were dead nuts and to aid in the hours of dyno time you'll spend tuning it.

I've helped instal and ridden in a ZEX kitted car. It was simplistic and didn't destroy the car; perhaps it was used responsibly. It's a great value for someone who want's to add a few ponies to an other wise stock arrangement. I am very familiar with the Venom system, personally even; and I did not waste my money. My car is still running strong to this day - 5 years later and in the hands of a new owner.

Some advice, a mere suggestion really - don't try and force anything around here. Too many people here are smarter than you and I. Don't claim something is proven and then not back it up with referrences to supporting facts. You'll only be inviting trouble.

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Re: nitrous new
#1304876 (Re: Trapps) 08/23/06 12:21 AM

go to nitrousexpress.com and read up.

i have a purge valve. when you open the main nitrous feed line, the nitrous pushes pure air right up against the nitrous solenoid. when you purge, you purge the air out. thats why when you open the bottle and hit the purge it sprays for a second before the plume of nitrous comes out. it prevents bogging and surging. i dont know where i said anything about not needing a purge valve or whatever but /shrug.

sad but true fact...... ill have about a 3000$ nitrous kit and about a 2000$ motor and have 450+HP and you can see it at SZ. dont tell me its not gonna happen either, with forged internals and a progressive controller, i'll just jet up until i prove my point.

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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Re: nitrous new
#1304889 (Re: TRicker) 08/23/06 12:44 AM

$3000 nitrous . What all do you have? I think you should buy my CAT Cams for this killer engine .

Aaron

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AKA NVS SVT
98.5 Silver/Blue SVT#4553
Yeah it's modded
98 T-Red/Blue SVT Contour Totaled 06/05/06
03 3L,VCN 2000,CAT Cams,MSDS Headers w/Y-Pipe,XCal2 and lots more



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TRicker
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Loc: Center City, MN
Re: nitrous new
#1304897 (Re: SVT SNOB) 08/23/06 12:54 AM

well i include the MSD in there because i wouldnt have it if i wasnt using nitrous.

kit 650$
heater 150$
purge 150$
another bottle 150$
press. guages (2) 100$
MSD 450$
single to dual stage conversion (not ordered yet) 300$
shower head distribution blocks (direct port) 120$
4 extra shark nozzles 225$
MSD digital rpm window switch 80$

maybe not quite 3000 /shrug


somewhere around 2500 said and done. right now im waiting on the distribution blocks, conversion, window switch, and extra nozzles. im probably not going dual stage and just pay the 300 for a progressive rate controller and run a 150 shot on it, but i need to get the race lines so they will flow enough. we'll see what happens. it'll probably be a 75 that progresses to 150 starting at 3500 and ending at 7400


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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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TRicker
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Re: nitrous new
#1304899 (Re: TRicker) 08/23/06 12:56 AM

oh yeah and its gonna add about 200 lbs to the car total, with both bottles and all that mess of wiring!

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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SVT SNOB
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Re: nitrous new
#1304939 (Re: TRicker) 08/23/06 01:56 AM

Sounds like a killer set up . I look forward to seeing this setup in person.

Aaron

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AKA NVS SVT
98.5 Silver/Blue SVT#4553
Yeah it's modded
98 T-Red/Blue SVT Contour Totaled 06/05/06
03 3L,VCN 2000,CAT Cams,MSDS Headers w/Y-Pipe,XCal2 and lots more



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fastcougar
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Re: nitrous new
#1305076 (Re: SVT SNOB) 08/23/06 01:01 PM

It's all a waste without a progressive controller

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TRicker
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Re: nitrous new
#1305919 (Re: fastcougar) 08/24/06 08:00 PM

if i dont convert to dual stage i'm going to run a progressive 150 shot. right now that is making more sense to me. and its alot less nozzles than a dual stage direct port setup!

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
Spec stage 3

249.9 HP 258.2 TRQ clutch slipping the whole time

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MxRacer
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Re: nitrous new
#1307154 (Re: TRicker) 08/27/06 04:19 AM

Originally posted by TRicker:
lol. howabout this. we both get on a dyno, and put in say, a 100 shot jet. take a pull N/A, and a pull on the bottle. i'l put down over 100 extra HP, you'll put down a measly 65, or 70 if your lucky. its been proven.




whoopity friggin doo! NX is simply labeling larger jets with smaller numbers in order to make this happen. a shot of nitrous netting 100rwhp will basically be the same volume amongst all brands. you're simply a victim of NX's marketing.

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Re: nitrous new
#1311455 (Re: MxRacer) 09/03/06 01:09 AM

Simple - NX doesn't give as much of a saftey barrier for the A/F ratio to be a bit rich. You can lean out a NOS kit and get more power out of it without burning anything, but you increase the chances of running into a problem. NOS deliberately runs the fueling a little rich to prevent detonation. NX runs LEANER, closer to the edge of detonation. More power? YES. Feel safer? NO. (At least I don't) I've sprayed just about everything I own(about 14 cars depending on the month ) The simplest and IMO Safest are the ZEX and the VENOM kits - they shut off if the fuel pressure drops out - NX and NOS base kits do not come with any sort of fuel drop off protection. You can destroy ANY motor by not using nitrous CORRECTLY. Most casualties of spray I have seen are from people running too long on the bottle, running garbage for fuel or using it on a engine that was not mechanically healthy.
Just one thing Tricker - how is your setup gonna add 200 pounds? A full 10 pound bottle averages at 24-25 pounds EACH - FULL. A stack of solenoids,bottle brackets and hoses still can't weigh in more than 30 pounds.I count 80 pounds. Even with your ignition boxes - Maybe 90 pounds.

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95 Contour, Custom EVO bodykit, 2.0l, PNP Focus head, Stage 2 cams, Je pistons, Eagle rods, 4in1header, 2.5" header back exhaust(complete stainless), D P nitrous, ram air intake, 10mm wires, flamethrower.

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warmonger
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Re: nitrous new
#1311464 (Re: evocontour) 09/03/06 01:40 AM

Originally posted by evocontour:
Simple - NX doesn't give as much of a saftey barrier for the A/F ratio to be a bit rich. You can lean out a NOS kit and get more power out of it without burning anything, but you increase the chances of running into a problem. NOS deliberately runs the fueling a little rich to prevent detonation. NX runs LEANER, closer to the edge of detonation. More power? YES. Feel safer? NO. (At least I don't) I've sprayed just about everything I own(about 14 cars depending on the month ) The simplest and IMO Safest are the ZEX and the VENOM kits - they shut off if the fuel pressure drops out - NX and NOS base kits do not come with any sort of fuel drop off protection. You can destroy ANY motor by not using nitrous CORRECTLY. Most casualties of spray I have seen are from people running too long on the bottle, running garbage for fuel or using it on a engine that was not mechanically healthy.
Just one thing Tricker - how is your setup gonna add 200 pounds? A full 10 pound bottle averages at 24-25 pounds EACH - FULL. A stack of solenoids,bottle brackets and hoses still can't weigh in more than 30 pounds.I count 80 pounds. Even with your ignition boxes - Maybe 90 pounds.




Totally not true.
NX does run a bit richer, about the same as NOS I'd imagine, just to protect the engine.

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356/334 wHP/TQ at 10psi on pump gas!
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99cougar
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Re: nitrous new
#1311587 (Re: warmonger) 09/03/06 06:07 AM

Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by evocontour:
Simple - NX doesn't give as much of a saftey barrier for the A/F ratio to be a bit rich. You can lean out a NOS kit and get more power out of it without burning anything, but you increase the chances of running into a problem. NOS deliberately runs the fueling a little rich to prevent detonation. NX runs LEANER, closer to the edge of detonation. More power? YES. Feel safer? NO. (At least I don't) I've sprayed just about everything I own(about 14 cars depending on the month ) The simplest and IMO Safest are the ZEX and the VENOM kits - they shut off if the fuel pressure drops out - NX and NOS base kits do not come with any sort of fuel drop off protection. You can destroy ANY motor by not using nitrous CORRECTLY. Most casualties of spray I have seen are from people running too long on the bottle, running garbage for fuel or using it on a engine that was not mechanically healthy.
Just one thing Tricker - how is your setup gonna add 200 pounds? A full 10 pound bottle averages at 24-25 pounds EACH - FULL. A stack of solenoids,bottle brackets and hoses still can't weigh in more than 30 pounds.I count 80 pounds. Even with your ignition boxes - Maybe 90 pounds.




Totally not true.
NX does run a bit richer, about the same as NOS I'd imagine, just to protect the engine.




That is exactly what i was going to say. After i got my wideband i put it on the car, and went for a ride with the 100 shot. The second the nitrous hit in the AFR went down to 10:1 ish. And the higher the rpm's got the richer it got. Up above 6,000rpm's the AFR was 8.5:1 with the NX 100 shot jets in. Is 8.5:1 rich enough for ya evocontour? lol

I mean seriously...8.5:1...now wonder my motor has lasted so long with me spraying the guts outa it!

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1999 Cougar V6 MTX
SVT UIM/LIM/65mm TB, I/H/E, Fidanza/SPEC III/Torsen, Koni/GC's, 19" Icon wheels w/ Pirelli rubber, NX Wet Kit



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Re: nitrous new
#1311601 (Re: 99cougar) 09/03/06 06:34 AM

I've heard NX is the best nitrous system to use. If i ever upgrade ill sell my Zex box and use NX solenoids with the Zex bottle/warmer/purge

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99 TRed Contour SVT # 1853 out of 2760
230.2 WHP @ 6500
237.0 WTR @ 2250

Originally posted by MxRacer:
Originally posted by RawBurt:
I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.




much like your weiner.




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Re: nitrous new
#1311707 (Re: 99cougar) 09/03/06 03:32 PM

Yeah if it were me I'd get that nitrous shot running into the 10.5:1 range. It should still be really safe but make shitloads more power I'd think. I guess you could take really small fuel jets and just drill them out to the size you need but not as big as the one included with the 100shot in order to lean it out a bit.

Hmm. Anyway I don't know a whole lot about how much oxygen is left in the exhaust after a nitrous burn. It may not read the same as regular combusted air and fuel.
Sounds like I need to do some reading on that.


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356/334 wHP/TQ at 10psi on pump gas!
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'05 Volvo S40 Turbo 5 AWD with 6spd, Passion Red
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Re: nitrous new
#1311862 (Re: warmonger) 09/03/06 11:35 PM

Originally posted by warmonger:
Yeah if it were me I'd get that nitrous shot running into the 10.5:1 range. It should still be really safe but make shitloads more power I'd think. I guess you could take really small fuel jets and just drill them out to the size you need but not as big as the one included with the 100shot in order to lean it out a bit.

Hmm. Anyway I don't know a whole lot about how much oxygen is left in the exhaust after a nitrous burn. It may not read the same as regular combusted air and fuel.
Sounds like I need to do some reading on that.





I didn't drill any jets. But i did go buy a slightly smaller fuel jet, and a slightly larger nitrous jet. So next time i get the bottle filled i will do some mixing and matching to get the AFR right.

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1999 Cougar V6 MTX
SVT UIM/LIM/65mm TB, I/H/E, Fidanza/SPEC III/Torsen, Koni/GC's, 19" Icon wheels w/ Pirelli rubber, NX Wet Kit



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