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contourGL1996
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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657120 (Re: tiv) 07/06/04 03:19 AM

Originally posted by tiv:
just curious: how many miles are there on the car, and what kind of oil did you use before ?

thx,
Tiv




84k and anybrand 10w-30

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HITMANinMI
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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657122 (Re: Kremithefrog) 07/06/04 03:20 AM

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:

5w-30 but anyways,,,






Everytime winter or summer when I dont do my oil changes they have always used 10w 30.
Where did you hear 5w 30?


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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657133 (Re: HITMANinMI) 07/06/04 03:32 AM

Um, the manual says 5w-30. I use Mobil-1 5w-30, have been using it since about 40k, now at 100k with no problems. Before I used Mobil-1, I was just using whatever was on sale but always 5w-30.

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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657135 (Re: HITMANinMI) 07/06/04 03:32 AM

5W-30 is written all over the car, in the engine bay near the Spark plug gap requirement, in the manual under Specifications, should be the last page. I can’t believe you didn’t know that, hell, I knew that.

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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657149 (Re: AliasJerk™) 07/06/04 03:49 AM

Originally posted by AliasJerk:
You shouldnt ever switch to synthetic, a synthetic oil should ONLY be used from the start of the car, less then 10K miles. Or else it WILL leak. I Suggest you use a Synthetic BLEND, you can use that at any time, and you dont have to change as often , and it makes the engine run cooler preventing wear and making the engine last longer.



VERY VERY VERY INCORRECT. I and many others have switched to synthetic with NO trouble what so ever. SOME cars will leak, but they already have a leak in their future if that occurs, the synthetic just speeds up the process. Synthetic blends are nothing more than good dino oil, thus a waste of money in my eyes.

And hitman, dude... I'm not gonna say anything mean, just learn more about cars or save the "advice", please.

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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657150 (Re: AliasJerk™) 07/06/04 03:51 AM

Originally posted by AliasJerk:
You shouldnt ever switch to synthetic, a synthetic oil should ONLY be used from the start of the car, less then 10K miles. Or else it WILL leak.




Nonsense. I have seen otherwise too many times to believe that.

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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657164 (Re: CRZYDRVR) 07/06/04 04:07 AM

Originally posted by CRZYDRVR:
Originally posted by AliasJerk:
You shouldnt ever switch to synthetic, a synthetic oil should ONLY be used from the start of the car, less then 10K miles. Or else it WILL leak.




Nonsense. I have seen otherwise too many times to believe that.




Agreed. I switched my SVT over a year ago with no ill effects. Not to mention every expert article I've ever read about long-term storage of vehicles recommends putting in synthetic oil right before you store, even if you normally use regular dino oil.

Possibly what happened here was that there was a leak about to happen, and the detergents in the synthetic oil of choice cleaned out some deposits somewhere, causing the leak. I know of people who switched to synthetic after years of dino oil use who reported "chunks" or "gobs" of crap coming out on their next oil change because of the cleaning agents in synthetic oils.

Here's what ExxonMobil has to say about it:

Quote:

Mobil 1 will leak out of the seals of older cars.
Reality


Mobil 1 does not cause leaks. In fact, new Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™ was tested in dozens of industry standard and OEM tests to prove its seal performance. It is fully compatible with the elastomeric materials from which all automotive seals and gaskets are made.

ExxonMobil engineers are wary of conventional oils that tout their use of additional seal-swelling agents. With extended use, these agents can over-soften engine seals, resulting in leaks. More to the point, an oil additive will not rejuvenate worn or damaged seals. The damaged seal may have been caused by a worn rotating metal component in the engine.

If an older engine is in good condition and does not have oil leaks, Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™ provides the same advantages as when used in a new engine. ExxonMobil recommends taking measures to repair the leaks, then using Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™. ExxonMobil also always recommends following the automobile manufacturer's manual for the proper oil to use.




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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657194 (Re: CRZYDRVR) 07/06/04 04:45 AM

Originally posted by CRZYDRVR:
Originally posted by AliasJerk:
You shouldnt ever switch to synthetic, a synthetic oil should ONLY be used from the start of the car, less then 10K miles. Or else it WILL leak.




Nonsense. I have seen otherwise too many times to believe that.




I actually probably should reword that. Synthetic is kind of a strange type of oil, it acts differently in all cars. But from what I have seen and heard, people who switch to a synthetic with higher miles (60K or greater) have had leaking problems. I would never use a Full Synthetic, because its expensive and kind of iffy to use. Im happy with my Castrol Synthetic Blend thank you.

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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657206 (Re: AliasJerk™) 07/06/04 05:16 AM

Originally posted by AliasJerk:
Originally posted by CRZYDRVR:
Originally posted by AliasJerk:
You shouldnt ever switch to synthetic, a synthetic oil should ONLY be used from the start of the car, less then 10K miles. Or else it WILL leak.




Nonsense. I have seen otherwise too many times to believe that.




I actually probably should reword that. Synthetic is kind of a strange type of oil, it acts differently in all cars. But from what I have seen and heard, people who switch to a synthetic with higher miles (60K or greater) have had leaking problems. I would never use a Full Synthetic, because its expensive and kind of iffy to use. Im happy with my Castrol Synthetic Blend thank you.




I kind of figured that wasnt exactly what you meant. No biggie. I just had to put my 2 cents worth in

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Re: NEVER SWITCH TO SYNTHETIC! new
#657248 (Re: CRZYDRVR) 07/06/04 06:29 AM

Just wanted to clarify some things about synthetic oil use. I have customers who have successfully switched to synthetics with over a 118,000 mileson their cars; and with cars that were 36 years old and there was no knowledge of their actual mileage might have been.. With that said, here is the caveat:

When used in mechanically sound engines, AMSOIL Motor Oils can reduce oil consumption. Under test conditions, a reduction of as much as 42% was demonstrated for prolonged periods. However, this should not be taken to mean that AMSOIL Motor Oils are “cure-all's” for engines that consume oil because of mechanical problems.

Here is the recommended procedure for changing to AMSOIL Motor Oils. In older vehicles or those with high mileage, it is advisable to use AMSOIL Engine Flush first. This will ensure that the engine is clean and free of any accumulated contaminants which might have an effect on the service life of AMSOIL Motor Oils. In all cases, it is good judgment to install a new AMSOIL Super Duty Full-Flow Oil Filter (SDF) every time you change oil.

The engine in question sounds as if the oil passages were clogged by contaminates and oil sludge which was loosened by using Mobil 1....

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