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NVSVT
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SVT Focus 6-speed
#718329 - 09/21/04 09:38 AM

Would an SVT Focus 6-speed fit in an SVT Contour? Would it survive if it did fit? Has anyone attempted this swap yet?

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todras
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#718365 (Re: NVSVT) 09/21/04 12:32 PM



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RTStabler51
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#718390 (Re: NVSVT) 09/21/04 01:15 PM

Not, the Zetec and Duratec have different bellhousing patterns.

Originally posted by NVSVT:
Would an SVT Focus 6-speed fit in an SVT Contour? Would it survive if it did fit? Has anyone attempted this swap yet?




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NVSVT
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#719087 (Re: RTStabler51) 09/21/04 11:26 PM

What about the internals, are they totally different also?

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Roz 1999 SVT-C
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#719131 (Re: NVSVT) 09/22/04 12:14 AM

Yes, the six speed is not an MTX 75 breed....its a Getrag brand so it would not work!!!!!



if your so intrested in that Contact Terry Haines at
seconline@ameritech.net


he imported the 6 speed Mondeo transmission, for use in out cars...get a price quote from him on how much it will cost to install it....considering no one outside of him has done it, hes the only place you can get it.


But for get the focus SVT....it WONT work...


Sticky this please moderator.....


Lupe


EDIT::: Won;t work with out extensive R&D....but if you got money go ahead and do it....oh, please click on the NEWBIE VIDEO LINK in my signature....good info.

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todras
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#719726 (Re: Roz 1999 SVT-C) 09/22/04 03:15 PM

On top of the fact that it's a weaker tranny than the MTX-75.

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ZX2 S/R
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#741678 (Re: todras) 10/17/04 02:42 AM

the gearing is also more autoX based

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DemonSVT
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#741767 (Re: ZX2 S/R) 10/17/04 04:24 AM

Originally posted by ZX2 S/R:
the gearing is also more autoX based



No it's not!

It's shorter because the Zetec it's attached to has a small powerband. It has to keep the engine on a high boil to achieve performance.


The broader the powerband the less reliant the engine is on the gear spacing.

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JonnySVT
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#741853 (Re: DemonSVT) 10/17/04 07:21 AM

Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by ZX2 S/R:
the gearing is also more autoX based



No it's not!

It's shorter because the Zetec it's attached to has a small powerband. It has to keep the engine on a high boil to achieve performance.


The broader the powerband the less reliant the engine is on the gear spacing.




doy!

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ZX2 S/R
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#741917 (Re: JonnySVT) 10/17/04 02:30 PM

then how come the msp makes the same power and has the same G15M as the zx2 and can run .2-3 ahead of a svtF?

a zx2 will run even or pull on a svtF in 1st and 2nd gears the svt wont start to catch up till about 80mph.trust me I know a guy with a SVTF motor in his zx2 with the G15M tranny.

and i wouldnt call a 4.44:1 1st gear short

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Edited by ZX2 S/R (10/17/04 02:46 PM)

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hector959
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#742024 (Re: NVSVT) 10/17/04 06:08 PM

To fit the six speed you require the six speed 'box for a UK Mondeo ST220

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JonnySVT
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#742063 (Re: ZX2 S/R) 10/17/04 07:33 PM

Originally posted by ZX2 S/R:
then how come the msp makes the same power and has the same G15M as the zx2 and can run .2-3 ahead of a svtF?

a zx2 will run even or pull on a svtF in 1st and 2nd gears the svt wont start to catch up till about 80mph.trust me I know a guy with a SVTF motor in his zx2 with the G15M tranny.

and i wouldnt call a 4.44:1 1st gear short




1. The MSP is turbo'd.....there is more power UNDER peak than the SVTF. I haven't compared the two directly, but common sense tells me that is the reason. I'm not sure on torque numbers for both, but I'd be willing to bet the MSP has more torque also....and to finish, .2-.3 seconds in "bench racing" is almost within a margin of error.

2. I hope you're talking about the ZX2 S/R, not a normal ZX2.

3. What's "knowing a guy with an SVTF motor in his ZX2" have to do with anything whatsoever?

PS, let's take this post elsewhere, we are in a sticky that is supposed to be used for noobs, like yourself.Thanx.

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ZX2 S/R
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#742078 (Re: JonnySVT) 10/17/04 08:12 PM

the book time on a SVT is 15.9 the book on a ZX2 is 15.7. the SVT can hit mid 15's but if the traction control is turned off. The average driver in both cars will be hitting about 16.1-.2 all day. The SVT will not pull on the zx2 untill after 70mhp if both launch and shift right.

I mentioned teh swap becaust u said that the SVT needed that gearing, but many svt drivers are trying to change the gears, and the zx2 with its gearing and svt motor will run 14's all day. Even if you take the 200lbs difference off the SVT it wont be running 14's all day like a 150whp zx2 will.

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JonnySVT
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#742099 (Re: ZX2 S/R) 10/17/04 08:51 PM

Quote:

PS, let's take this post elsewhere, we are in a sticky that is supposed to be used for noobs, like yourself.Thanx.




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gearhead98
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#760416 (Re: ZX2 S/R) 11/05/04 07:27 PM

hey dude, i wouldn't argue with Demon, he will prove you wrong and then make you look like an idiot after that, and like said above this is a sticky be nice

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gearhead98
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#760418 (Re: gearhead98) 11/05/04 07:30 PM

oh i just thought of something that deals with a focus and the six speed tranny. Since the new focus has a Duratec 2.3L in it, would the bellhousing be the same as the v6 duratec, just thought i would ask since they are both duratec's. if they are the same then all that would really need to be done would be for ford to release a 6 speed that fits that duratec, and then swap it over, dont know if it would be that easy thou

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S&B filter, SVT MAF, optimized SVT TB, mesh grille, removed orange reflectors, painted rear reflector, gutted pre-cats, optimized SVT LIM, 19lb injectors, resonator removed

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todras
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#760440 (Re: gearhead98) 11/05/04 07:51 PM

Yea um ok hen's tooth post. What's the point of posting about something that will not exist. No point in a 6 speed anyway. As posted it is a weaker tranny. Ppl must just want to say they have a six speed. The ones that would have the knowledge and $ to do it don't even want it.

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Roz 1999 SVT-C
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#760444 (Re: gearhead98) 11/05/04 07:53 PM

Originally posted by gearhead98:
oh i just thought of something that deals with a focus and the six speed tranny. Since the new focus has a Duratec 2.3L in it, would the bellhousing be the same as the v6 duratec, just thought i would ask since they are both duratec's. if they are the same then all that would really need to be done would be for ford to release a 6 speed that fits that duratec, and then swap it over, dont know if it would be that easy thou






No..the 4 cyl and the 6cyl duratec have nothing incommon besides the name.


EDIT: Terry Haines has imported the Six Speed Mondeo transmission for 2.5 and 3 liter applications. But you would have to contact him directly.

secondline@ameritech.net

lupe

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Edited by Roz 1999 SVT-C (11/05/04 07:55 PM)

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Acnon
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#805501 (Re: NVSVT) 12/30/04 12:48 AM

Don't bother. (An SVTF owner here..) Too much hassle. Some SVTF guys have considered removing it and replacing with an MTX-75!!

1st gear has the bigggest sprocket they could get into that thing. It's still relatively tall. (runs out at 40mph..) You can break the speed limit in 2nd.. Gears get closer once above that, and 6th is not an overdrive. Despite all this, 1st gear is lower and 6th is higher than a Mini-S...

And the MAX input torque on it is rated at somewhere around 150Ft-Lbs.

Need I say more?

BTW: Requires a two-piece flywheel (tortional vibration dampener...)

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warmonger
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#806583 (Re: Acnon) 12/31/04 05:32 PM

I'm glad you came on and posted this. I also thought a six speed might be great, but I really learned that I don't need it at all. The five speed has pretty darn good ratios.
Maybe a taller final drive with all this power I have, but that is it.


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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#809399 (Re: warmonger) 01/04/05 09:33 PM

ok, i want to see a stock ZX2 run 15.6 i want to see a stock ZX2 run with my near stock 98 CSVT. wow. thank you for the information though! i appreciate it. i had been thinking about the ST220 tranny too. it will work eh?

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#809410 (Re: cavrs) 01/04/05 09:45 PM

Originally posted by cavrs:
i had been thinking about the ST220 tranny too. it will work eh?




If you like torching the inner fender off.

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nickvinkcsvt
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#818129 (Re: todras) 01/14/05 05:26 AM

If you like torching the inner fender off. ???????

How much of the fender and why? Actually, does anyone else know how to install the ST220 gearbox? If so, maybe an in depth explanation please.

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DemonSVT
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#818165 (Re: nickvinkcsvt) 01/14/05 05:59 AM

If you even have to ask simple questions about a project like this then you are seriously pipe dreaming to begin with.

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#818190 (Re: nickvinkcsvt) 01/14/05 06:33 AM

Originally posted by nickvinkcsvt:
does anyone else know how to install the ST220 gearbox?


there is only one person who has bothered to figure out all of the details and he says that it is not very cost effective, meaning don't bother. i you really must know who he is its terry haines.

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#818219 (Re: JB1) 01/14/05 09:12 AM

i tracked down that post i was thinking of.

Originally posted by Terry Haines:
we have done a package study and,with mods,it fits.The cost of the trans is high due to import/exchange rate/weak dollar....makes it an expensive conversion...





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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#886827 (Re: warmonger) 03/24/05 09:22 PM

Originally posted by warmonger:
I'm glad you came on and posted this. I also thought a six speed might be great, but I really learned that I don't need it at all. The five speed has pretty darn good ratios.
Maybe a taller final drive with all this power I have, but that is it.





6th gear on highway = great gas mileage...I image in a V8 Camaro can get 28 mpg...CSVT's could get 30+

But as stated...its not cost effective (fuel savings VS. Cost of project) unless your just rich and want to do it for fun - which I would do...

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#886834 (Re: todras) 03/24/05 09:25 PM

Originally posted by trasmusse04:
On top of the fact that it's a weaker tranny than the MTX-75.




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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#887008 (Re: Stazi) 03/24/05 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by trasmusse04:
On top of the fact that it's a weaker tranny than the MTX-75.






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todras
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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#887678 (Re: ryanblacksvt) 03/25/05 05:39 PM

Wow! Way to muck up the sticky. As well as call another member a name because you're proven wrong is intelligent.

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#887680 (Re: todras) 03/25/05 05:41 PM

fixed.
Originally posted by todras:
Wow! Way to muck up the sticky. As well as call another member a name because you're proven wrong is intelligent.




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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#887684 (Re: RTStabler51) 03/25/05 05:47 PM

I have already addressed the issue. Hopefully, this sort of stuff wont happen again.

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#887724 (Re: unisys12) 03/25/05 06:31 PM

How about deleting that assinine post of his then, please?

I'm no faggot, but I don't need to see that drivel on this topic either

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#887892 (Re: ryanblacksvt) 03/25/05 09:22 PM

Originally posted by ryanblacksvt:
Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by trasmusse04:
On top of the fact that it's a weaker tranny than the MTX-75.






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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#887923 (Re: CSVT985) 03/25/05 10:01 PM

uhhhh wow i was not expecting to see that out of the blue....hopefully this guy is banned...

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#887976 (Re: 96 M edition) 03/25/05 11:11 PM

I apologize if I offended someone, but Stazi is like a brother to me. Should have used better judgement.

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Re: SVT Focus 6-speed new
#1296451 (Re: Quicksilver) 08/09/06 12:40 AM

so whats the job behind the mondeo 6speed tranny?

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