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Thus ends the Contour's autocross career.
#1285702 - 07/25/06 05:03 PM

Well, I went to divisionals to see how I'd hold up. I drove well, and turned in some decent times. It was a lot of fun. But, I still lost, and lost hard. I pax'd 93 out of 150 overall, but I ran in the rain on Saturday, while most classes got dry runs. The Contour is 600lbs heavier than similarly powerful cars. I was racing against a Neon with an engine that Daddio had build for his DSP car, and it was just so much faster through the corners. Plus the driver trophied at Nats last year in the same car with an older setup. 4 seconds back from him on a 75 second course ain't bad, but it's still a LOT.

A built Contour might be able to get a little closer in STX with lots-o-power, more weight loss, 245s and LSD, but it's still way, way off the pace.

So, I'm off to E Stock next year. I want to learn new techniques for a different car, and get used to r-comps. It's been fun, but now I want the only excuse between me and first place to be my driving. It's not a 94R with high-dollar shocks, but it's a 1.8L LSD Miata that'll have big fat r-comps, a FSB, and Konis, and that's pretty dang close.

I will miss the looks on people's faces when I whooped them in the Contour, though. Some of my favorites:

(Elise driver at Divisonals)
"What are you driving?"
"The Contour."
"The really ***** fast one?!"
"Um, the only one, so I guess so..."

(from a G35 coupe driver watching me swap my race exhaust back off at a Glen event)
"You know, that isn't going to do *** for you."
"I think the weight reduction is worth any loss in power from the short pipe."
"It's still a Taurus, dude."
"It's a Contour, and it was two seconds faster then you."
"Oh."

(Divisionals practice)"Holy crap, that thing took off like a bat out of hell!"

(At the drag strip)"And in the left lane, a shockingly fast Ford Contour driven by Phil Maynard..."

(Glen region) "And second place in STS is Philip Maynard in a ... umm, lemme check this... huh. In a Ford Contour. Wow."

(CPR Region)"And first place STS... Well, this is the first time I've ever said this. First place goes to the 1995 Ford Contour driven by Philip Maynard." (Turns to local Civic driver, laughing:) "What happened, man?"

So I'll now finish up the season (I want to win PAX locally once, please please please) and do a track day, and then de-mod. I will miss one thing terribly, though: the Duratec. The power delivery is absolutely killer for autocross. Having that kind of torque at 3-4k means I spend less time bogging/shifting than the 4-banger cars, and makes botched corners less ciritcal. It's a bit heavy to be a competitve engine, but if I bet a focus with the 3.0L in SM would be a hoot, as well as very fast. Or a 3L locost...


I learned a lot about driving and picked up some good habits whipping a ton and a half through the cones. I still very highly reccomend taking your Contour out and flogging it! Even stock it handles really well and rewards good driving. Do it!

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-Philip Maynard
'95 Contour [71 STS | Track Whore]
'97 Miata [71 ES | Boulevard Pimp]
2006 autocross results

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RogerB
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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1285754 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 07/25/06 05:46 PM

The goofy remarks are almost better than trophies. But, if you want to be divisionally/nationally competitive, you just about have to drive something else. Miatas are great (I've heard) because they are easy to be great in. Easy to drive. Great visibility. Small, nimble, light. Etc. MINIs, too.

I'm not as much of an oddity around here, as people are used to seeing an SVT whip up in STS. But I have been mistaken for a SHO before.

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Function before fashion.
'96 Contour SE

"Toss the Contour into a corner, and it's as easy to catch as a softball thrown by a preschooler." -Edmunds, 1998

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1285755 (Re: RogerB) 07/25/06 05:49 PM

I used to race alot in STS in the KC region with my SVT

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1285760 (Re: Steeda.) 07/25/06 05:56 PM

She served you well. LOL and indeed those remarks are classics.

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1285870 (Re: European) 07/25/06 07:11 PM

Originally posted by European:
She served you well. LOL and indeed those remarks are classics.




Priceless!!!! They're waay better than the trophies!!!

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SVT exhaust and K&N=all thats worth modding

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1286097 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 07/26/06 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
(from a G35 coupe driver watching me swap my race exhaust back off at a Glen event)
"You know, that isn't going to do *** for you."
"I think the weight reduction is worth any loss in power from the short pipe."
"It's still a Taurus, dude."
"It's a Contour, and it was two seconds faster then you."
"Oh."



Hahahahhaa, that's awesome.

I'll be taking the svt to its first autox (atleast with me driving) in a couple weeks. I'll be learning it that day and learning r compounds, so I don't expect anything stellar, but I do it for fun anyways.

I know you'll have fun in the miata.

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98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)

FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1286699 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 07/26/06 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:


(from a G35 coupe driver watching me swap my race exhaust back off at a Glen event)
"You know, that isn't going to do *** for you."
"I think the weight reduction is worth any loss in power from the short pipe."
"It's still a Taurus, dude."
"It's a Contour, and it was two seconds faster then you."
"Oh."





And then you said so suck it beotch! Right?

I'm hoping to do an AutoX mid Aug. This will be the first one since my black Tour went down. First time in STX so I'll be getting owned by WRX's. I did pretty damn well in STS but this is going to be a different story.

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-'96 SE MTX 3L
-'98 SVT 1,173 of 6,535
-'05 Mazda 6s, loaded, g/f's ride
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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1287515 (Re: Blue Goose) 07/27/06 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Teenage Contour:
Originally posted by European:
She served you well. LOL and indeed those remarks are classics.




Priceless!!!! They're waay better than the trophies!!!




I agree. Put those on a certificate and frame it.

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1287725 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 07/27/06 11:29 PM

Why not bring it out to Harrisburg for States for your last run. I'll be there but the 'Tour won't. I'll be in a SVO Mustang. Go to myautoevents.com to see if you can still get in.

My best comment was when I ran with the Porsche Club at Hershey. After beating a GT3, the owner came up and asked "How many of them can I buy for the price of mine?"

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John Alessi
Torredor Red #1915 of 2150
Born 27Jan2000
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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1287896 (Re: SVT2000Contour) 07/28/06 03:02 AM

i hear a 95 tour' is crap as far as chassis goes compared to a SVT. there's nothing on the street that'll try to stay with me on some corners, i have a buddy with a del sol with alot of suspension mods but even in some of the roads we run around on, he just doesnt have enough power to stay there. put some focus RS wheels on, fatter tires (245-255s?), ST220 flares (to cover up those wide arse wheels!) and roll it, IMO~!

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1998 CSVT
NX stage 1 ford EFI kit
MSD dis-4
B&M short throw
K&N short ram intake
Fsvt Euro 17's
Trubendz 2.5" exhaust
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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1287906 (Re: TRicker) 07/28/06 03:10 AM

Originally posted by TRicker:
i hear a 95 tour' is crap as far as chassis goes compared to a SVT.



Chassis is the same. Just struts/springs/sway bars and junk different.

And actually, an early SE is actually about as nimble as a SVT.

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98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)

FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1287913 (Re: TRicker) 07/28/06 03:17 AM

Never look back. Now that you've driven a huge honking pig, a Miata will be a delight. I took the 3L SVT out a couple of months ago, and I think that I threw up in my mouth a little bit after the first run, wishing that my Miata was there in its stead. You have chosen wisely; my only suggestion is that you do a couple of events on street tires so that you can get the feel of the car under your belt without relying on the poor techniques that race tires can give you right out of the box. If you can stand it, do Azenis for a whole season. You'll learn a LOT about what the car can and can't do.

Expect to be slower, figure out the low torque, low weight, wheels driven in the *right* place and relearn what momentum maintenence is. I fell into the trap of letting torque make up for momentum slowing and it absolutely killed me when I got into my Miata. But now, I have a third place medal in CSP from the Virginia Commonwealth autocross championship sitting on my wall. Suck it up for a year, trust me, you'll appreciate it.

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1288047 (Re: TRicker) 07/28/06 12:14 PM

Originally posted by TRicker:
i hear a 95 tour' is crap as far as chassis goes compared to a SVT.




You hear wrong. The chassis is identical! Actually, I think the extra weight of the SVT package makes the extra top-end a moot point. In STS the springs/swaybars mean jack because you're replacing them anyway. I'm convinced that the non-SVT is the way to go for (STS, at least) autocross - ever seen an SVT well under 3000lbs with driver and fuel?

Quote:

there's nothing on the street that'll try to stay with me on some corners,




Maybe because there's nothing on the street dumb enough to push it as hard as you? If you actually did some sort of driving off public roads you know that the driving a car at the limit is a very different thing than ANY sort of hard cornering on the street.


Finally, learn to spell. You've been cluttering up CEG with your lousy posts for a while, but I didn't say anything until you started spouting off stuff "you heard" without basis and talking about street racing. Read the rules, and consider yourself warned. CEG doesn't take kindly to people doing stupid things on the street in thier cars, and you sure as heck aren't going to talk about it in this forum.


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-Philip Maynard
'95 Contour [71 STS | Track Whore]
'97 Miata [71 ES | Boulevard Pimp]
2006 autocross results

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1288144 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 07/28/06 02:06 PM

Phil, gotta question for ya-
After seeing what the Contour can do (and what it can't do) are you glad you chose this car? or looking back do you wish you chose a Miata or soemthing like that to start with?

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1288213 (Re: TRicker) 07/28/06 03:05 PM

Originally posted by TRicker:
i hear a 95 tour' is crap as far as chassis goes compared to a SVT.




F'n A you're a retard. Ask any MI CEGer that autox's how my SE did against SVT's? Standard Duratec's are torquier down low and the SE suspension is stiffer.

Take a look at the results of this event. The guy that placed 1st have coilovers. I was still on stock SE suspension. Had intake and exhaust and that was it.

ttp://www.wmr-scca.org/1documents/2solodocs/2001solodocs/010903results.doc

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-'98 SVT 1,173 of 6,535
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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1288251 (Re: Blue Goose) 07/28/06 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Teenage Contour:
Phil, gotta question for ya-
After seeing what the Contour can do (and what it can't do) are you glad you chose this car? or looking back do you wish you chose a Miata or soemthing like that to start with?




I didn't really choose the Contour, exactly. I got into autocross with a slightly modified Contour. I was modding the Contour at the same time as I was getting rolling in the sport, so I just worked with it. If I was picking a car just to autocross, I would not have chosen the Contour - it's not competitive. It was a lot of fun and I learned a lot, and autocrossing a Contour in general is a good time. It's not a way to win, though.

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-Philip Maynard
'95 Contour [71 STS | Track Whore]
'97 Miata [71 ES | Boulevard Pimp]
2006 autocross results

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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1288345 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 07/28/06 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
If I was picking a car just to autocross, I would not have chosen the Contour - it's not competitive. It was a lot of fun and I learned a lot, and autocrossing a Contour in general is a good time. It's not a way to win, though.




Yeah, nobody "picks" a Contour to Autocross. It's simply what they had when they started out. It's a great car to learn with and can be a lot of fun, but anybody that wants to compete on a national level moves on to something more competitive.

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Roger - "Old Guy"

"Every car is a sports car sometime."

1999 White SE Sport V6 MTX
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Re: Thus ends the Contour's autocross career. new
#1289262 (Re: White99SE) 07/30/06 01:02 AM

Went for a few rides in a miata about a month ago at my first autocross. I had some pretty respectable times, beat some higher power cars like mustangs but I must say, I enjoyed the miatas more than my own car!

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