Contour Enthusiasts Group CEG

General >> Autocross and Open Track

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | (show all)
Loco4G63
CEG road warrior

Reged: 08/01/01
Posts: 17248
Loc: IL
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1256629 (Re: RogerB) 06/11/06 09:55 PM

Originally posted by RogerB:
Originally posted by EVOLUTION VIII:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
That's funny. I easily found the rules including helmets for each division of scca (solo, club, pro,etc.) Basically what I found is you should go with a SA2000 or better snell approved helmet. Open face is fine for autox and club racing, which is what you're interested in.


Thanks.....I found a SA2005 helmet I want that is open faced.




SA is not required for autox. Track events vary.

M is sufficient if autocross is all you'll do.

My Snell M95 helmet is still good until (probably) 2010.


The SA2005 wasn't too bad in price....and I don't want to buy another for awhile.

--------------------
Hector

2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ


2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s

RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
160HP/141TQ





Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
plance1
CEG'er

Reged: 05/04/01
Posts: 215
Loc: Cincinnati, OH and its step-child, Northern Kentucky
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1268937 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 06/29/06 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:

GS allows struts, front swaybar, brake pads, cat-back, DOT-legal race tires, and that's about it. This leaves you with a car with a lot of understeer. However, it's still fun, and will teach you a lot about driving to run there.





I guess this means I shouldnt have been put into the GS class....

--------------------
See ad in Classifieds, Price lowered to $8,500. Buy it!
59K Miles, Original Owner, 3 liter built by Buckshot, Headers, HMS trans
Subframe Connectors, H&R's, Koni's, Rage 5.0 17's, Pole Position Tires
Removed Resonator,KKM Intake,ShoShop Y-Pipe


Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Kremithefrog
I have no life

Reged: 05/14/02
Posts: 21653
Loc: Albany, Georgia
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1269047 (Re: plance1) 06/29/06 03:49 AM

Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:

GS allows struts, front swaybar, brake pads, cat-back, DOT-legal race tires, and that's about it. This leaves you with a car with a lot of understeer. However, it's still fun, and will teach you a lot about driving to run there.




But with r compounds and what you can setup under the rules (alignment using stock stuff, which sucks for contours, but helps and the front bar), it can have you doing pretty good. Won't be beating any prepped mini's but it's a good place to start.

--------------------
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)

FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater

CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15

Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
White99SE
Veteran CEG'er

Reged: 09/07/02
Posts: 821
Loc: Collinsville, OK
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1269331 (Re: plance1) 06/29/06 04:22 PM

Originally posted by plance1:
Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:

GS allows struts, front swaybar, brake pads, cat-back, DOT-legal race tires, and that's about it. This leaves you with a car with a lot of understeer. However, it's still fun, and will teach you a lot about driving to run there.





I guess this means I shouldnt have been put into the GS class....




Yeah, You've got a 3 liter. Doesn't an engine swap move you all the way up to SM?

--------------------
Roger - "Old Guy"

"Every car is a sports car sometime."

1999 White SE Sport V6 MTX
2005 Toyota Sienna - 8 passenger

Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
RogerB
Hard-core CEG'er

Reged: 10/21/00
Posts: 3867
Loc: Wichita, KS
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1269363 (Re: White99SE) 06/29/06 05:08 PM

Originally posted by White99SE:
Originally posted by plance1:
Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:

GS allows struts, front swaybar, brake pads, cat-back, DOT-legal race tires, and that's about it. This leaves you with a car with a lot of understeer. However, it's still fun, and will teach you a lot about driving to run there.





I guess this means I shouldnt have been put into the GS class....




Yeah, You've got a 3 liter. Doesn't an engine swap move you all the way up to SM?




SM is correct.

This ain't NASCAR. You're assumed to be somewhat familiar with the rules--enough to class yourself--and then be honest about it. You don't really get "tech'd" the way they do in pro racing.

That said, I know this was your first time, and you weren't sure, and you probably asked for help from one of the guys running the event. It happens and it's no big deal.

If it were me, I'd tell the guys that you were improperly classed, and should have been in SM. They can adjust the results, if they care to. If not, you've still impressed them with your integrity. It's a gentleman's game, after all, not a cutthroat competition (at this level.)

--------------------
Function before fashion.
'96 Contour SE

"Toss the Contour into a corner, and it's as easy to catch as a softball thrown by a preschooler." -Edmunds, 1998

Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
plance1
CEG'er

Reged: 05/04/01
Posts: 215
Loc: Cincinnati, OH and its step-child, Northern Kentucky
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1269653 (Re: RogerB) 06/29/06 11:02 PM

Originally posted by RogerB:



SM is correct.

This ain't NASCAR. You're assumed to be somewhat familiar with the rules--enough to class yourself--and then be honest about it. You don't really get "tech'd" the way they do in pro racing.

That said, I know this was your first time, and you weren't sure, and you probably asked for help from one of the guys running the event. It happens and it's no big deal.

If it were me, I'd tell the guys that you were improperly classed, and should have been in SM. They can adjust the results, if they care to. If not, you've still impressed them with your integrity. It's a gentleman's game, after all, not a cutthroat competition (at this level.)




I dont know about all of this gentleman's stuff. I will have to think about it and see if its in me.

Seriously, I didnt know what I was doing, I'll run whatever class Im supposed to be in.

--------------------
See ad in Classifieds, Price lowered to $8,500. Buy it!
59K Miles, Original Owner, 3 liter built by Buckshot, Headers, HMS trans
Subframe Connectors, H&R's, Koni's, Rage 5.0 17's, Pole Position Tires
Removed Resonator,KKM Intake,ShoShop Y-Pipe


Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
RogerB
Hard-core CEG'er

Reged: 10/21/00
Posts: 3867
Loc: Wichita, KS
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1269984 (Re: plance1) 06/30/06 12:42 PM

Originally posted by plance1:
Originally posted by RogerB:



SM is correct.

This ain't NASCAR. You're assumed to be somewhat familiar with the rules--enough to class yourself--and then be honest about it. You don't really get "tech'd" the way they do in pro racing.

That said, I know this was your first time, and you weren't sure, and you probably asked for help from one of the guys running the event. It happens and it's no big deal.

If it were me, I'd tell the guys that you were improperly classed, and should have been in SM. They can adjust the results, if they care to. If not, you've still impressed them with your integrity. It's a gentleman's game, after all, not a cutthroat competition (at this level.)




I dont know about all of this gentleman's stuff. I will have to think about it and see if its in me.





Well, if not, you can always switch to drag racing.

--------------------
Function before fashion.
'96 Contour SE

"Toss the Contour into a corner, and it's as easy to catch as a softball thrown by a preschooler." -Edmunds, 1998

Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Auto-X FilModerator
Hard-core CEG'er

Reged: 08/11/03
Posts: 4140
Loc: Pennsylvania
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1299154 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 08/12/06 02:57 PM

What class am I in?

Here's a lit of mods and where they put you. Bumping order goes like this:

GS -> STS -> STX -> DSP -> SM

except where noted. This means that a car with all GS mods and one SM mod is in SM.

Wheels/tires:

Tires - DOT-legal tires with a treadwear of 140 or higher are okay for any class. DOT-legal tires with a rating lower than 140 are okay in any class except STS/STX. STS max width 225 on a 7.5" rim, STX max width 245 on an 8" rim.

Wheels - stock size and offset, GS. Any diameter up to 7.5" wide STS, up to 8" wide STX. Wider is DSP. Stock for your car - SVT wheels on a non-SVT are illegal in stock. Alloys on a car that came with steelies is okay if they were an option for your trim level.

Suspension:

Struts - GS

Springs (incl. coilovers) - STS

Poly suspension bushings/roll resistors - STS

Front swaybar - GS

Rear swaybar - STS

Unrestricted endlinks - STS

Strut tower bars - STS

Camber adjustment plates - STS

Subframe connectors (no lateral connections) - SM

Power/Drivetrain:

Intake (no TB work) - STS. K&N drop-in GS.

Exhaust, cat-back - GS.

Y-pipe w/ stock cat - STS

Y-pipe with non-stock cat - STX

Headers (with any cat) - STX, (without) DSP.

Chip - STS.

3L - SM

Turbo/Supercharger - SM

LSD - STX

Clutch and or flywheel - DSP

Nitrous - not with the SCCA. You may be able to run if you take out the bottle, but ask the Regional Exec first. No bottles on site at all, even if you're spectating.

Brakes:

Brake pads - GS

Stock size rotors slotted/drilled - STS

Bigger brakes (any calipers) - STX, but NOT DSP.

SS hoses - STS

Weight/reduction Other:

CF/Fiberclass hood - SM

Bodykitting - STS

Gauges, comfort and convenience items (no performance savings including any weight loss) - GS

Replace front seats with 15lb versions (not including hardware) - STS. Next year will be 25lbs with hardware.

Replace front seats with anything: DSP

Remove rear seats - SM

Battery relocation - STS

A/C removal - STS



If you have any questions about a mod I missed, ask away and I'll update. I'll probably organize them better soon too.

--------------------
-Philip Maynard
'95 Contour [71 STS | Track Whore]
'97 Miata [71 ES | Boulevard Pimp]
2006 autocross results

Edited by Auto-X Fil (08/14/06 04:44 PM)

Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
RogerB
Hard-core CEG'er

Reged: 10/21/00
Posts: 3867
Loc: Wichita, KS
Re: Autocross FAQ/ newbie guide new
#1300211 (Re: Auto-X Fil) 08/14/06 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
What class am I in?



Wheels - stock size and offset, GS. Any diameter and Up to 7.5" wide STS, up to 8" wide STX. Wider is DSP. Stock for your car - SVT wheels on a non-SVT are illegal in stock. Alloys on a car that came with steelies is okay if they were a factory option for your trim level.


Intake (no TB work) - STS. K&N drop-in GS.

Exhaust, cat-back - GS. Y-Pipe, retaining stock Cat, STS. With "hi-flow" cat, STX.

Headers (with a cat) - STX, (without) DSP.

LSD - STX

Non-OEM Clutch - DSP? or SM?

Lightweight Flywheel - DSP? or SM?

3.0 L Engine or Forced Induction - SM

NOS - Is Right Out!







Phil,

Great info as always. I added a few tidbits. Hope it's helpful.



--------------------
Function before fashion.
'96 Contour SE

"Toss the Contour into a corner, and it's as easy to catch as a softball thrown by a preschooler." -Edmunds, 1998

Post Extras: Print Post Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | (show all)


Extra information
0 registered and 7 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  Auto-X Fil 

Print Thread

Permissions
You cannot start new topics
You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled
UBBCode is enabled

Thread views: 8355

Jump to

Contact Us Contour.org

*
UBB.threads™ 6.2.3

Generated in 0.01 seconds in which 0.004 seconds were spent on a total of 14 queries. Zlib compression enabled.

Copyright 1999-2005 Lance Kinley

CEG and contour.org are not affiliated with nor endorsed by Ford Motor Company