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shotwell
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#4194 (Re: ScottK) 08/20/02 12:14 AM

Aren't there underdrive pulleys that fit on the power steering pump and alternator or something? I remember reading that somewhere...that wouldn't affect the dampening of the crank at all. I'm concerned because I hit the redline EVERY DAY, well, when it's running that is.

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techme
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#12791 (Re: shotwell) 08/28/02 12:12 PM

Let me see if I got this right as a newbie. If I put a UDP on my '99 Countour SE 2.5l and rev
it high requently, I can expect reduce engine life? I read in a different post that the UDP only helps get to x rpm quicker and doesn't increase horsepower-maybe only responsiveness.
Thoughts?

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DemonSVT
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#13074 (Re: techme) 08/28/02 03:56 PM

Originally posted by techme:
Let me see if I got this right as a newbie. If I put a UDP on my '99 Countour SE 2.5l and rev
it high requently, I can expect reduce engine life? Thoughts?


Yes. In theory that is exactly correct.

Running a UDP will worsen the crank whip and cause more damage to your engine.
The higher the rpms you take your engine to, the worse the whip & damage is. Therefore SVT's are likely to suffer more from this phenomenon since they make power well past 6000rpm where the stock Duratec falls on it's face.

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Terry Haines
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#13155 (Re: DemonSVT) 08/28/02 05:07 PM

4 engine teardowns for new crankshaft/rods in HMS Inc proves the point, lowest miles 38,000, highest 62,000.New crank ,in excess of $600, rods ,over $100 a piece + bearings + full gasket sets+head bolts + any other 'worn bits' + labor + a DMD (better late than never !!)

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whitegt
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#13734 (Re: Terry Haines) 08/29/02 04:14 AM

So if you have the DMD then it's ok to put UDP's on?

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Micah
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#13821 (Re: DemonSVT) 08/29/02 08:46 AM

when I had a 2.5 in my car it did not fall on its face after 6k, whos car are you judging this on? everyone I have been to keeps going past 6k



Micah

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Dan Nixon
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#13962 (Re: ScottK) 08/29/02 11:04 AM

Originally posted by ScottK97SEMTX:

It is a tuned elastomer pulley which IIRC has a pretty narrow damping range (from tech tid bits from Terry and Judge), designed for cars that redline at about 7000 rpm. I would guess it is tuned for that range. Obvioulsy it has better "dual damping" for smooth operation, but is there proof that it'll be sufficient/better at 8000 rpm?





Actually, that is a good point/question..how effective is the DMD at controlling "whip" above factory redline. Does it work at 7.5K, at 8K? Judge, Terry, anybody know?

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JasonS
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#13982 (Re: DemonSVT) 08/29/02 11:19 AM

A possible benefit of a UDP besides HP might be reduced frothing of the power steering fluid at high sustained RPMS...

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Shaun G
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#14067 (Re: whitegt) 08/29/02 12:40 PM

Originally posted by whitelx:
So if you have the DMD then it's ok to put UDP's on?


DMD and UDP are the same part. Except the DMD is heavier and reduces vibration. Personally, I think your crazy to run an underdrive pulley. Plus the DMD makes the car feel so much better at higher RPMs. As in mods this is one I highly recommend.

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JVT
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Re: what's the scoop on underdrive pully's??? new
#14104 (Re: Shaun G) 08/29/02 01:25 PM

Over 40k on my motor w/ the pulley, no problems.... Yet.

Plan on buying the DMD later this year when I can justify the funds....

Anybody wanna swap a DMD for a Aussie bar? (I'm serious) I'll throw in a gutted MAF for free that you can try. All you'd need is a couple of brackets and new bushings. ($20)

-J

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