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MapOfTaziFoSho
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Coil on plug?!
#1248341 - 05/30/06 12:19 AM

Could it really be as easy as cutting and splicing?!

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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248346 (Re: MapOfTaziFoSho) 05/30/06 12:23 AM

Whaa? Are you talking about taking this from another platform? Frankly I dont know if we have the room for that based on what Ive seen on other cars (Chevy's mainly).

I bet the ECU might not know what to do with that, but what do I know. . .

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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248394 (Re: KingpinSVT) 05/30/06 06:59 AM

LS?

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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248405 (Re: MapOfTaziFoSho) 05/30/06 07:30 AM

Don't think so - as our ECU works off the wasted-spark ingition method - the coil on plug is totally different. Dream on..........

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Bugzuki
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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248705 (Re: Stazi) 05/30/06 01:02 PM

We do have a wasted spark system, but that does not nessecarily mean that coil on plug won't work. I might work to run one control wire to two coils. With the system we have it uses 3 double ended coils, so 3 of the cylinders have a negative spark. I do not think that it would cause a big deal to have all positive sparks.

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Stazi
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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248723 (Re: Bugzuki) 05/30/06 01:31 PM

Hey genius - the outputs for a coil on plug system are TOTALLY different from the ECU to start with.

You can't frikken "git-r-dun" and just wire it up willy nilly. I suggest you take a look at the Conotour PID's and compare them to the Coil-on-plugs PID's from an LS, for example, before you start spouting out about crap you know nothing of, first!

PS - not to mention to firing strategy is tottally different too.

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MapOfTaziFoSho
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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248729 (Re: Stazi) 05/30/06 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Stazi:
Hey genius - the outputs for a coil on plug system are TOTALLY different from the ECU to start with.

You can't frikken "git-r-dun" and just wire it up willy nilly. I suggest you take a look at the Conotour PID's and compare them to the Coil-on-plugs PID's from an LS, for example, before you start spouting out about crap you know nothing of, first!

PS - not to mention to firing strategy is tottally different too.




I was looking for this. I am gonna go home and start splicing...when it doesn't run I will come back to this thread crying!

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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248732 (Re: MapOfTaziFoSho) 05/30/06 01:47 PM

Originally posted by MapOf........:
Originally posted by Stazi:
Hey genius - the outputs for a coil on plug system are TOTALLY different from the ECU to start with.

You can't frikken "git-r-dun" and just wire it up willy nilly. I suggest you take a look at the Conotour PID's and compare them to the Coil-on-plugs PID's from an LS, for example, before you start spouting out about crap you know nothing of, first!

PS - not to mention to firing strategy is tottally different too.




I was looking for this. I am gonna go home and start splicing...when it doesn't run I will come back to this thread crying!




I put coil on plug on my motorcycle why can't i do it on a contour?

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cvkillacontour98
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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248794 (Re: Steeda.) 05/30/06 02:51 PM

if you undestand what it takes for a coil to fire i say it can be done. just a matter of feeding power to each coil and running the correct coil pairs on the negative side for triggering. i thaught of doing it but my funds are low right now. plus it would take a bit of fabricating on the valve covers. would the bennefit be worth it? i say just get some real good plug wires and call it a day.

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Bugzuki
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Re: Coil on plug?! new
#1248880 (Re: Stazi) 05/30/06 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Stazi:
Hey genius - the outputs for a coil on plug system are TOTALLY different from the ECU to start with.

You can't frikken "git-r-dun" and just wire it up willy nilly. I suggest you take a look at the Conotour PID's and compare them to the Coil-on-plugs PID's from an LS, for example, before you start spouting out about crap you know nothing of, first!

PS - not to mention to firing strategy is tottally different too.




I see not reason for you to be rude about your opinion. I also fell that there is no reason for you to insult other people by saying that they do not know anything about what they are talking.

Here is the wiring of your typical double ended system like what the contour has.


Here is a poor diagram of a Coil-on-plug system out of the V8 Sho. I could not find a better on off hand



The main difference is that the coil on plug setup has a wire for each plug and the contour has a wire for two plugs. I do not see how the firing strategy has anything to do with the question since that is determined by the computer which is not getting changed. there could be a difference in the PID (Parameter Identification Data), but it is just a coil.

The number of turns in the coil pack determines the voltage through the spark plug. The timing is determined by the computer. I think that if someone has access to the coil-on-plugs and has some time, (and they fit the engine) they should be able to try it. My biggest concern would be bolting the coil to the valve cover so that it get a good ground.

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