Originally posted by RT and his SE:

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Back on topic I started when I was 16 and quit at 41. It'll be a year in 4 days! I'm also a recovering alcoholic(7years) and that was easier then quitting smoking. I disagree that addiction is a disease. I think that a crutch and an excuse for failure.

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Addiction has never been seen as a disease in the clinical world; rather it's a psychological issue.

Anyways, congratulations on the one year anniversary, that's great!

I may be a bit old-fashioned in my analysis, but I believe that you pick up a lot of habits from monitoring the world around you when you were young. I have seen that a lot of my friends whom smoke, have regular interactions with smokers in their family. Of course this is just an observation, and not a statement. However, when you pick up the habit at a young age, you fail to see the severity of it, until later, which could be far down the road, when it may be too late.

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Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:

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Originally posted by RT and his SE:

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Back on topic I started when I was 16 and quit at 41. It'll be a year in 4 days! I'm also a recovering alcoholic(7years) and that was easier then quitting smoking. I disagree that addiction is a disease. I think that a crutch and an excuse for failure.

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Addiction has never been seen as a disease in the clinical world; rather it's a psychological issue.

Anyways, congratulations on the one year anniversary, that's great!

I may be a bit old-fashioned in my analysis, but I believe that you pick up a lot of habits from monitoring the world around you when you were young. I have seen that a lot of my friends whom smoke, have regular interactions with smokers in their family. Of course this is just an observation, and not a statement. However, when you pick up the habit at a young age, you fail to see the severity of it, until later, which could be far down the road, when it may be too late.

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Both my parents smoked. What they called them was "ickies" like it was something bad, because they are. They always made sure I knew they were bad that way and even now that still has more of an effect on me over all the evidence that its bad. I don't not smoke because its bad for me rather because I don't feel right when I do.

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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:

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Thank you to all the people who smoke! You get cancer and [censored] and health insurance companies have to pay for your care and that raises the rates of everyone, so your pack a day cost me money in the long run.

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that's true to an extent. a lot of people don't even have health insurance and get minimal treatment, if any, when theyre close to death. and that's through medicare and what not. that's where the state picks up the tab. hence all the lawsuits of states vs. big tobacky. PLUS, health insurance companies are dicks for terminal illnesses. they typically will only cover up to a point and then cut people off. some people sue but its like David and Goliath when suing a company that big.
this info may be off a little but in the end, as you said, it costs us in the long run. who's fault is it? i dunno. people who continue to smoke? (though may be addicted) Big tobacco who legally puts addiction-causing additives in the mix? the govt for not "intervening" enough?
hopefully, one day they will just tax the sh*t out of smokes so much that people will just plain refuse to pay that much. i have heard of quite a few people who have quit based on how much its gone up since i was in high school. they sure are happy about it now though.
i dont blame anyone who continues to do so though. its a personal choice and some people enjoy it. if youre trying to get off it, then more power to you and i wish you good luck.
just remember: dont they say that each pack smoked is like taking off a year of your life? or something like that? thats scary. i smoked A LOT of packs back in the day.



I REALLY feel for alchoholics though. my unle was one. its terrible. im so glad i dont like alchohol that much cuz they say it runs in the family.
congrats on your quitting both of your bad habits RT.

btw smoking pot and cigars can give you cancer too but im sure everyone already knows this.

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Originally posted by Tourgasm:

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Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.

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Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:

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Originally posted by RT and his SE:

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Back on topic I started when I was 16 and quit at 41. It'll be a year in 4 days! I'm also a recovering alcoholic(7years) and that was easier then quitting smoking. I disagree that addiction is a disease. I think that a crutch and an excuse for failure.

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Addiction has never been seen as a disease in the clinical world; rather it's a psychological issue.

Anyways, congratulations on the one year anniversary, that's great!

I may be a bit old-fashioned in my analysis, but I believe that you pick up a lot of habits from monitoring the world around you when you were young. I have seen that a lot of my friends whom smoke, have regular interactions with smokers in their family. Of course this is just an observation, and not a statement. However, when you pick up the habit at a young age, you fail to see the severity of it, until later, which could be far down the road, when it may be too late.

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And I understand that but addiction problems are generally speaking psychological in nature(and treated with talk therapy) and when you tell someone they have a "disease" to me that absolves the addict of any personal responsibility for their problem and when and if they relapse they think "what can I do, I have a disease". All addicts are ducking responsibility in some form so my theory is to not give them another excuse to continue that behavior. I'm not trying to be a hardazz and I'm not a trained professional it's just my opinion.

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Originally posted by ALIAS Jerk:

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Originally posted by todras:

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Originally posted by ALIAS Jerk:

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Amen to that. But I think on my 18th birthday, im going to buy a pack, just for the hell of it. Then give it away to someone.

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And why? Would you try some crack if someone gave it to you? Do you think you actually look cool with a nicotine stick in your mouth?

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And look at that Todd missed the point.

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I did huh? Please explain what I missed. Words are right there.

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Originally posted by Stazi:

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Actually I bought myself a Hookah yesterday.

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