Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Until they come up with something, whatever we got is better than nothin'.

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that was the other part to the repub platform: you can't trust the dems to fix the problems we created so vote for us!

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AHEM! AGAIN, I pose the question... What are the alternative plans/programs that the dems offer? Third opportunity BP...

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did you miss the 3 televised debates and months of campaigning? the election is over last i checked so it's probably not worth starting a new thread over. but if it's burning a hole in your head and you want to rehash all of it do so and we can continue there. i've hi-jacked this thread enough as is.

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that was his point.....i watched the debates etc. and i still NEVER heard how the dems were going to fix anything...if you caught something that the rest of the country didn't during them maybe you could enlighten us and tell us what plan that was that the dems had then...all i seemed to hear was c"this country's in terrible shape and i have a plan to fix it" but funny thing is we NEVER were told what those PLANS entailed...

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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:

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Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Until they come up with something, whatever we got is better than nothin'.

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that was the other part to the repub platform: you can't trust the dems to fix the problems we created so vote for us!

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AHEM! AGAIN, I pose the question... What are the alternative plans/programs that the dems offer? Third opportunity BP...

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did you miss the 3 televised debates and months of campaigning? the election is over last i checked so it's probably not worth starting a new thread over. but if it's burning a hole in your head and you want to rehash all of it do so and we can continue there. i've hi-jacked this thread enough as is.

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that was his point.....i watched the debates etc. and i still NEVER heard how the dems were going to fix anything...if you caught something that the rest of the country didn't during them maybe you could enlighten us and tell us what plan that was that the dems had then...all i seemed to hear was c"this country's in terrible shape and i have a plan to fix it" but funny thing is we NEVER were told what those PLANS entailed...

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You are not going to get many specifics about policy initiatives by watching the debates. In order to be a well-informed voter, you have to do much more than turn on your television.

You can fault the Dems and their poor campaign all you want. But it's your job to find out what your choices are. The information was there (on the Internet, or at your local library), waiting for you. If you didn't hear the Democratic slate of ideas, you didn't do your job as a citizen.

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Originally posted by caltour:

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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:

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Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Until they come up with something, whatever we got is better than nothin'.

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that was the other part to the repub platform: you can't trust the dems to fix the problems we created so vote for us!

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AHEM! AGAIN, I pose the question... What are the alternative plans/programs that the dems offer? Third opportunity BP...

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did you miss the 3 televised debates and months of campaigning? the election is over last i checked so it's probably not worth starting a new thread over. but if it's burning a hole in your head and you want to rehash all of it do so and we can continue there. i've hi-jacked this thread enough as is.

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that was his point.....i watched the debates etc. and i still NEVER heard how the dems were going to fix anything...if you caught something that the rest of the country didn't during them maybe you could enlighten us and tell us what plan that was that the dems had then...all i seemed to hear was c"this country's in terrible shape and i have a plan to fix it" but funny thing is we NEVER were told what those PLANS entailed...

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You are not going to get many specifics about policy initiatives by watching the debates. In order to be a well-informed voter, you have to do much more than turn on your television.

You can fault the Dems and their poor campaign all you want. But it's your job to find out what your choices are. The information was there (on the Internet, or at your local library), waiting for you. If you didn't hear the Democratic slate of ideas, you didn't do your job as a citizen.

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believe me i did research and because i don't agree with yours or the democratic stand that means i didn't do my job as a citizen .....

and btw on the debates,especially the vice presidential debate,the republicans DID actually tell me what their plans were,and they were very to the point and well said.....and the presidential debates ,bush had to spend too much time trying to defend himself from ridiculous bashing from kerry,that he didn't really have much time to get into alot of detail..but then again he was more to the point and actually told us more than kerry did...

funny thing is that the dems knew thewy had no other platform except for bush bashing,hell a film full of bs didn't even do it for the dems...maybe next election they should spend more time trying to talk up their plan than trying to bash the republicans..

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Originally posted by caltour:

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1) The Democrat's program for national security involves focusing on cutting off terrorist funding, committing the troops and resources needed to properly secure Afghanistan and Iraq, and most of all, working closely with our allies instead of going it alone.

2) The Democratic Party stands for energy independence. They want to promote alternative energy sources to break our dependence on middle eastern oil. They want to promote conservation and energy efficient vehicles. They have incredibly detailed position papers on each aspect of this issue.

3) The Democrats recognize that we are going broke due to excessive government spending. The have a detailed agenda for acheiving a balanced budget, including cutting taxes on the middle class, rolling back Bush's lopsided tax cut, ending corporate welfare, and bringing back a realistic cap on spending. All of this has been fleshed out in great detail by the DNC and by progressive think tanks. Those sources have complete, detailed legislative agendas available for your viewing on their websites.

4) The Democrats also recognize that our economy is being drained due to ever-escalating health care costs. Their reform plan is layed out in the platform, see above, and the rather innovative details are available from the DNC.

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1) Translation: Rely on the corrupt and impotent UN to protect us.

2) Detailed position papers yet they have done nothing in the last 3 decades..no new refineries, no new nuclear powerplants, no energy policy. They have opposed drilling in ANWAR and the gulf. Good ol' capitalism and the laws of supply side economics have resulted in 50 MPG hybrid Toyotas, Hondas, and Fords...whereas "position papers" and talk have wasted a number of good trees and created more hot air.

3) They talk about cutting taxes now but opposed Bush's original tax cuts..widely credited with keeping us out of a deep recession and now, generating enough extra tax revenue that the deficit was just lowered by 100 billion. The "realistic cap" on spending proposed by Kerry was not to fund the 87 billion to support our troups in Iraq.

4) Health care costs are high, for alot of reasons...but the last Dem heathcare plan was the Hillary diaster that makes most of her own party shudder even today. They have stood against malpractice tort reform which adds to costs on several different levels.

Go to the library and internet for Dem ideas? Sure, because they are saying just about anything, depending on what group they are pandering to, so you are bound to find something you like..try pinning one down in a debate to specifics and see what you get.

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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:

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Originally posted by caltour:

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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:

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Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Until they come up with something, whatever we got is better than nothin'.

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that was the other part to the repub platform: you can't trust the dems to fix the problems we created so vote for us!

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AHEM! AGAIN, I pose the question... What are the alternative plans/programs that the dems offer? Third opportunity BP...

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did you miss the 3 televised debates and months of campaigning? the election is over last i checked so it's probably not worth starting a new thread over. but if it's burning a hole in your head and you want to rehash all of it do so and we can continue there. i've hi-jacked this thread enough as is.

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that was his point.....i watched the debates etc. and i still NEVER heard how the dems were going to fix anything...if you caught something that the rest of the country didn't during them maybe you could enlighten us and tell us what plan that was that the dems had then...all i seemed to hear was c"this country's in terrible shape and i have a plan to fix it" but funny thing is we NEVER were told what those PLANS entailed...

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You are not going to get many specifics about policy initiatives by watching the debates. In order to be a well-informed voter, you have to do much more than turn on your television.

You can fault the Dems and their poor campaign all you want. But it's your job to find out what your choices are. The information was there (on the Internet, or at your local library), waiting for you. If you didn't hear the Democratic slate of ideas, you didn't do your job as a citizen.

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believe me i did research and because i don't agree with yours or the democratic stand that means i didn't do my job as a citizen .....

and btw on the debates,especially the vice presidential debate,the republicans DID actually tell me what their plans were,and they were very to the point and well said.....

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So the dems not sharing their plans is my fault? I got a good idea what the Reps wanted to do, why were the dems so incapable of "getting the message out"? caltour, your argument holds NO water.

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Originally posted by PDXSVT:

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But Dan, pain and suffering caps do NOTHING to weed out crappy doctors. Instead, caps REWARD them with a subsidy. So that's some great GOP plan you mention: Have ONLY the worst hurt/most deserving victims subsidize those negligent doctors who hurt victims the worst.

The tort system is just about the only thing that effectively makes negligent doctors internalize the costs of their botch ups, as the profession itself is doing too little about its bad apples and the liability carriers are sticking it to good doctors.

So the GOP would HELP the bad guys as its fix. So much for the GOP being champions of accountability and responsibility.

That you'd cite this as an example of GOP plans and leadership hurts you.

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Even my MOST liberal medical collgues recognise that their is something wrong with thre current state of affairs in med malpractice. Only debate is HOW to deal with it, not IF it should be delt with. We ALL know the influence on costs by driving unness testing in this no bad outcomes environment. We ALL know at least 1 good doc (many with zero lawsuits) driven from a state because of rediculous malpractice premiums..esp OB, Ortho, Neurosurgeons. I pay a fee every year to the state for an OB risk pool, to subsidize state OB care..and I most certainly do not do OB. Nearby West Virginia's come to Virginia for PB care because OB has up and left the state secondary to insurance fees. And finally, we ALL know that multi-million dollar awards do NOTHING to get rid of bad docs, they just raise insurance premiums. Ironically, many bad doctors make the money to pay outrageous premiums due to the volume they practice..I know some in the community. They just see more patients and keep on trucking...only the state board of Medicine can shut them down, and that is independent of any malpractice $ award.

If my comments speak badly of me, they speak badly of about every doc I know..cause we are all saying the same thing!

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