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Swazo
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Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe
#549277 - 03/04/04 01:13 AM

This is an intrest check for a T3/4 turbo crossover pipe for the duratec MTX Contique.

Warmonger is going to be "away on overseas business" for a year, so I am taking it apon myself to try to get this to go through.

Thanks to him, the R&D is done.

'What this means to you is that you can use your choice of turbo and wastegate, T3 exhaust is the flange (Warmonger) used along with the 38mm Tial.
Get 36# injectors for return-style systems, 39# injectors for the return-style systems.
A lightning MAF.
Then you go to StreetFlight and ask for a chip, an intercooler (if you are smart) and intake piping if they have it for a T3/4 turbo.
Prepare to shell out some cash, but not anything crazy.

MSDS header owners will be pleased to note that they can retain their MSDS headers, adapt only the front header to fit the crossover pipe and end up with even better numbers than I have here!
For those who are planning this out, you can just order the headers during the build-up.

If anyone is interested in the crossover pipe for the T3/4 turbo then we need to do an interest check in the group buy forum. If there is enough interest in a group buy then the local performance shop named Deepstage is considering building a crossover pipe. Approximate price will be around $700 initially IF there is enough interest and IF they agree to do it. My crossover pipe will be used as a model to build a jig for reproduction. After the initial offering the price will drop but how much is not known since it may/may not happen.'
Link to more info, dyno results, ect......

Again, this is an interest check to get the crossover pipe produced. We need 8-10 people to commit and we'll go from there. Pricing is going to be around $700

Where do I fit into the picture? I'm just a CEG memeber trying to help us get more options



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kinger
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#549761 (Re: Swazo) 03/04/04 04:00 PM

This includes up pipe, down pipe that all attach to the current exhaust manifolds? I'm confused on what you get and what I need to modify, IIRC I need to weld and modify the front exhaust manifold.

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RyeLou
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#549769 (Re: kinger) 03/04/04 04:15 PM

That's saying you get more power with MSDS, but you can use the stock set up?

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warmonger
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#549895 (Re: kinger) 03/04/04 06:52 PM

There are two issues here.

One is finding someone trustworthy to duplicate the piping while i am gone.
Then that person has to send the pipes back so that my car can be put back together. The good thing is that these pipes are so easy to install and take off that pulling them off should only take about 45 minutes.
I will talk to the local shop one more time, but I am having trouble convincing them to do it. They are honda guys, not ford guys.
So I have the problem that I am trying to help out but I cannot be here to protect my own interests.
If nothing pans out, then the best I can do is provide detailed pictures so that someone can duplicate the piping.
The hard part is already done and that is the method and the proof that a simple 3L swap and modified stock manifolds will work to make big power.

Tom

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Swazo
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#550080 (Re: kinger) 03/04/04 10:36 PM

You would be able to use either the OEM Exhaust manifolds (front is mod'd and pre-cat is removed in the process, rear is gutted), or the MSDS headers can be used for better performance (front header is mod'd as well).

R&D is done, it's just a matter of having them made.

With stock gutted manifolds with the front bank modified and this new and improved up pipe design @ 9psi on a fairly simple oval port 3L, he is now running

325FWHP & 326FWTQ






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RyeLou
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#550114 (Re: Swazo) 03/04/04 11:20 PM

I know the pipe is $700, but what are the rest of the parts going to cost? I have about $2,000 right now, and could possibly pull a little more together. I'd love to do this to my 2.5L, but I can't figure out what the turbo, intercooler, etc. etc. are going to cost in the end with shipping. Sorry for the newB question with such a seemingly answer, but all the new news is very exciting.

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Keyser Soze
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#550124 (Re: RyeLou) 03/04/04 11:29 PM

You forgot about the downpipe. Basically you want a SF kit without the headers.

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Livinsvt
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#550546 (Re: Keyser Soze) 03/05/04 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Keyser:
You forgot about the downpipe. Basically you want a SF kit without the headers.




So 5g minus $1700 for the headers in case any one was wondering.

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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#550674 (Re: Livinsvt) 03/05/04 02:28 PM

Can this be done to a stock SVT? I assume some exhaust work would have to be done but could the engine and tranny be left as is? I know the #'s will be down from 325/326 but I could live with that for a start.


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Swazo
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#550715 (Re: Keyser Soze) 03/05/04 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Keyser:
You forgot about the downpipe. Basically you want a SF kit without the headers.




Thanks for correcting me, down pipe is included too.

Yes you could go to SF for the remainder of the kit, but this is the route I am going to try to follow as Warmonger has laid out-

You can use your choice of turbo and wastegate,
T3 exhaust is the flange (Warmonger) used along with the 38mm Tial.
Get 36# injectors for return-style systems,
39# injectors for the return-style systems.
A lightning MAF.
Then you go to StreetFlight and ask for a chip,
and intercooler (if you are smart) and intake piping if they have it for a T3/4 turbo.
Prepare to shell out some cash, but not anything crazy.

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Swazo
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#550716 (Re: SVTCANUK) 03/05/04 03:26 PM

Originally posted by SVTCANUK:
Can this be done to a stock SVT? I assume some exhaust work would have to be done but could the engine and tranny be left as is? I know the #'s will be down from 325/326 but I could live with that for a start.





Injector sizing may be different in your case, but yes There are a few 2.5L Turbos' running around already, this would be a variant of that setup.

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chknhwk
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#551587 (Re: warmonger) 03/06/04 12:21 PM

Originally posted by warmonger:
I will talk to the local shop one more time, but I am having trouble convincing them to do it. They are honda guys, not ford guys.Tom




WTF does that have to do with anything? If they're that b*tchy about doing something like this then that could throw everybody off because the shop in question wouldn't have an actual piece to duplicate - they'd have to go off pictures.

Basically, if this ship swallows what little pride they think they have then I'll be in.

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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#552013 (Re: chknhwk) 03/07/04 02:58 AM

Guys-
I've been talking to Tom extensively about this, if we can get a definite 10 people for this, it might be doable. Post your interest.

In essence, it'll involve me getting a jib made up, having a shop mass produce these, and then packaging and shipping them out. All while Tom is gone, so post interest here. . .

Suneil

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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#552400 (Re: ssmumich00) 03/07/04 08:19 PM

Exactly, this cannot happen unless we have these spots filled. With some of the PM's I've been getting there seems to be some confusion on what this is all about.

Warmonger allowing ssmumich00 to have a jig made of it while he is gone, so they can be produced. This is the first step for us all to be able to make turbo kits on our own and not just rely on one source.
IMHO it is very important for things like this to be produced for the Contique aftermarket. Warmonger has put a lot of effort into his research and development, and we are all lucky enough to benifit from it.

So far we have 3 people interested in this if we can get it done, who else? In the next few days I should be getting more info on what we can and can't do.......so expect a decent "update" shortly.

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Edited by Swazo (03/07/04 08:41 PM)

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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#554316 (Re: Swazo) 03/09/04 05:58 PM

Is there anyway you could post pics of how this manifold looks so we can also get a better understanding that way. Also Swazo is it 36# or 39# for the return-style? This GB sounds like an excellent idea and i can't agree with you more that this is exactly what us contique people need!!

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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#554327 (Re: TMoose02) 03/09/04 06:07 PM

Anyone who is even thinking about buying a turbo should get in on this GB! you will save a lot of money, if this were availble when I bought my turbo kit I would have bought one of these myself. Don't pass this up, it is worth the money.

-Jeff-

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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#554358 (Re: TMoose02) 03/09/04 06:31 PM

Originally posted by TMoose02:
Is there anyway you could post pics of how this manifold looks so we can also get a better understanding that way. Also Swazo is it 36# or 39# for the return-style? This GB sounds like an excellent idea and i can't agree with you more that this is exactly what us contique people need!!




Oops, typo I'm getting ready to update this interest check with pics and better info shortly. A pic is worth a 1000 words, and the update will clear anything else up. If it doesn't, feel free to PM me with any questions at that point.

I have just about all the info/pics I need to continue with this interest check correctly so we can gain proper interest.




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Swazo
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Re: Interest Check: Warmonger T3/T4 Crossover Pipe new
#563977 (Re: Swazo) 03/19/04 08:32 PM

Well, I never got the info I needed to continue with this GB. I am however continuing along this path as I have already commited myself to buying a new turbo and a wastegate

There is a handfull of guys out there making their own turbo kits for contiques. I will be one of them later this year and I do have the means to have my setup recreated with various grades of steel with the very best quality of work possible. Pricing will change depending on quality of steel, ect of course, but I won't know the specifics until I get into it.

Thank you all for the interest, hopefully something will come up shortly.

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