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twitztour
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#404906 (Re: Kremithefrog) 09/15/03 12:01 AM

You've gotta have $ to make $.. Otherwise we would all be rich business owners..

Just keep a percentage of the deposit and sell them for full price once they are (done?)..

If I saw a painted product and I liked it alot, I would have no problem saying me, me..
I've seen squat but a dirty photochop kit.. I can't put $ on a product unseen and unknown of its quality, not that that is in question.

Show me a completed product and someone will show you the money I guarantee it. First off a completely done kit (1) materials and such being figured in to and done prototype on one of your cars should have been done FIRST.

So its done, you know how much it costs to make it and its already designed and molded ready to go. Start a Group Buy then and sell a whole bunch of these in however long it takes to clone the rest of them.

Problem is (and I'm not even in on the Group Buy just a 3rd party bystander) that you took peoples money long.. long ago in a galaxy far away.. oh wait they have money (a good amount for most) tied up into something that they had a want for (x amount of time ago) and have seen nothing. That to me is uncomforting... to have X amount of dollars tied up into -> ( ) <- nothing there eh?..

Was there orignally a set date for these to be complete? Has that date been posponed x amount of times. Well should the people get their money back since the product was never delivered on time?

I personally am intrested in one of these kits but have yet to actually see one.. :\ Will I drop a mad load of money on something inexistant? Nah.. show me the goods please.

Edited by twitztour (09/15/03 12:21 AM)

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DimitriPopov
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#404912 (Re: twitztour) 09/15/03 12:11 AM

Yep , I really wanted to see a painted example , not a shoddy photochop , but its been 6 months...

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PXRacing
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#404925 (Re: DimitriPopov) 09/15/03 12:27 AM

Originally posted by DimitriPopov:
Yep , I really wanted to see a painted example , not a shoddy photochop , but its been 6 months...




Try almost a year!!! With many postponed dates..

There needs to be an understanding between two sides, makers/buyers! I've already explained how I feel about it.

Kreimith?? you're really not getting the sense of it. Let's make claims of others interest in this product when there is actually a completed product to talk about, till then, it's all worthless speach to me. I think my feelings about refunds (brought up only because it was mentioned earlier in this discussion by you and others w/differing opinions)is simply a fairness to both sides of the table, read my previous argument closer to get the sense of it...

I think there is no need to talk about this further till I see parts, finished painted parts on a actual car



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PeppermintPatty
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#405215 (Re: PXRacing) 09/15/03 12:57 PM

As far as seeing these "examples"...I understand that there's a "shop" car thats supposed to have all these goodies on it, & nyceboi's car(there were pics @ 1st, but now w/ the kits being near completion, there haven't been any updated pics)...seems to me its almost as if it were top-secret, because noone wants their ideas stolen before their own car is on the road. People trusted you enough to give you deposits, now there's progress & if you are keeping your own sh!t secret, @ least email or PM the guys w/ deposits pics (if you don't want them to be broadcast on the internet). But don't expect any new business. I mean c'mon Kaotic, if you guys have a shop car, market it & sell your kits & then you won't have to b!tch about the money...I could be way off base here, but these are my thoughts, I apologize if I'm wrong...$.02

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outkast
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#405410 (Re: PeppermintPatty) 09/15/03 05:13 PM

its funny how the group buy for the other kits are moving
along faster than this one!so far as to start selling
the front clip on ebay! and this one has been in limbo
for over a year.Its really sad how many just quit looking
at this group buy and going into another deal,hoods,wheels
etc.

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Kremithefrog
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#405573 (Re: PXRacing) 09/15/03 08:16 PM

Hard to produce a full kit when your shop has only 2 or 3 workers and very little money to work with. You don't understand that kaotic hasn't been around for long and they have little capital. And all these people that would buy the kit if they saw it? Yeah right, then when the kit is made they wouldn't have the money, just like every other GB.

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PXRacing
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#405604 (Re: Kremithefrog) 09/15/03 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Hard to produce a full kit when your shop has only 2 or 3 workers and very little money to work with. You don't understand that kaotic hasn't been around for long and they have little capital. And all these people that would buy the kit if they saw it? Yeah right, then when the kit is made they wouldn't have the money, just like every other GB.




And that's exactly why I feel the same as you. I'm totally for Kaotic and the few guys they have there. I'm more than patient and understand there circumstances and have really never complained about the wait,in fact I never really post anything on here. I just got a bit annoyed at yourfolks opinions about refunds and so I needed to say my peace. I personally am in that boat (have a certain circumstance) and hope that I'll be able to work something out with Kaotic.

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Doug Christman
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#405633 (Re: PXRacing) 09/15/03 09:40 PM

So when are our kits shipping? You guys have been saying next week for the last 3 weeks. Plus there have been many other prier release dates.

I have plenty of faith in Kaotic. But I can not help but worry that I am getting ripped off. Expecialy with what happend to that probe guy. Please give us a real shipping date, and stick to it.

And I am sure after us first few get it installed, and post pic's. That alot of the other guys will send in the rest of there money. They are just waiting to have peace of mind.

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PeppermintPatty
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#405713 (Re: Kremithefrog) 09/15/03 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Hard to produce a full kit when your shop has only 2 or 3 workers and very little money to work with. You don't understand that kaotic hasn't been around for long and they have little capital.




I realize I am not "in the boat" w/ you guys, but myself & quite a few others are following this GB, just as excited to see the final product. BUT, it's also hard to produce & finish a full kit while you are also exploring other ideas (widebody, lambo doors, pre 98 kits, etc) & it makes it easier to misdirect the funds intended for the initial group buy in order to try out the other ideas. Just a thought I had, did the deposits go for the materials to make the initial 98+ kits or has some of it gone towards R&D on the other ideas that would be much better off put-off until the completion of the initial kits? In other words finish what you've started, then move onwards & upwards. Not that anyone owes me an answer, of course. Just wondering
FWIW this is not an acusation & from what I've seen so far these guys do have something good here, if not misguided..

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twitztour
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Re: ..:: GB for Kaotic Innovations c27+ kit ::..
#405810 (Re: PeppermintPatty) 09/16/03 01:36 AM

All I know is if I had that kind of money tied up for that long I might be making a trip to see the progress of said product

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