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VisionOneAutosports
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Big Brake Bulk Buy
#1278884 - 07/14/06 08:33 PM

Vision One Auto Sports is proud to announce our first Ford Contour/Mercury Cougar Bulk Buy for the brand new Wilwood Big Brake Kit. This kit was presented at this years CougarFest in Indianapolis. Per the suggestions of the Cougar Owners (they must like you guys) they suggested opening this opportunity up to the contour community as well!

This kit will include everything needed for installation to get you up and going (or stopping) in as short a time possible!

The kit includes:
(2) Rotors 11.8x.9 Zinc Plated,
your choice of Slotted, Cross drilled, OR both at NO ADDITIONAL FEE

(2) Wilwood Forged Billet Superlight Calipers in Black Powder Coat.

Your Choice of the standard BP10 OR BP20 brake pads (add $20 for the BP20 compound, online information is not available at this time see below for details)

(2) CNC Machined Steel Caliper Mounting Brackets

(2) Nylon Coated, Stainless Steel Brake lines

(1) Bottle of DOT4 Synthetic Brake fluid

(ALL) Necessary fasteners and washers for installation

For this bulk buy the price will start at $900 Dollars SHIPPED, that's up to $400 cheaper than the competition. If we can get 10 buyers our price drops down to $875 or lower!

Whats the difference between the BP10 and BP20 pads?

The BP10 "Smart Pad" is a medium friction compound suited for street and strip use or light track days. It has very consistent torque characteristics throughout a wide temperature range but retains low noise and dusting for every day use. Best option for street cars that may occasionally auto cross, but are not serious track cars.

The new BP20 is more aggressive than the BP10, expect more noise, dusting, and somewhat shorter life. The benefit is better braking when up to temperatures and an increased ability to resist overheating at higher temperatures, while sacrificing some cold temperature bite. This pad is at its best between 500*F and 1000*F This is a great option for the weekend racer, but civil enough to drive to and from the track on.

Payments will accepted through Pay Pal or Via Money Order. Pay Pal users add %3 for paypal fees. We will run this bulk buy for 30 days. We will begin accepting payments in 2 weeks.

Feel free to post any questions after reading the development thread found here: http://www.newcougar.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95562

Here are pictures of the prototype on Dan's (nadthomas) at Cougar Fest. Keep in mind this is the prototype kit and yours will come with zinc plated rotors in your choice of slotted, drilled, or both.







Edited by VisionOneAutosports (07/14/06 08:39 PM)

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wa2tuff
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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280474 (Re: VisionOneAutosports) 07/17/06 10:40 PM

How come nobody has anything to say about this? I'm not in a financial position to get these, but I am curious at to the lack of responses.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280484 (Re: wa2tuff) 07/17/06 10:51 PM

Perhaps waiting like me for the 300/280 setup in the brake forum.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280492 (Re: Pole120) 07/17/06 11:06 PM

Im with Josh.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280496 (Re: KingpinSVT) 07/17/06 11:11 PM

I'm with the two guys above. Though I will say thanks to visionone for atleast giving our cars some attention and another option.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280584 (Re: Kremithefrog) 07/18/06 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
thanks to visionone for atleast giving our cars some attention and another option.




Here here!

It's good to see things like this still popping up nowadays

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280682 (Re: VisionOneAutosports) 07/18/06 02:20 AM

Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
For this bulk buy the price will start at $900 Dollars SHIPPED, that's up to $400 cheaper than the competition.




This isn't a bad price at all for what you are offering, but let's at least be fair in what you compare to the competition. The competition's kit, at $400 more includes 13" (or 12.2" at the same price if you prefer) 2-piece rotors with aluminum hats plus hardware. This MORE than covers the difference in price over the Focus SVT rotors that come with this kit. There is certainly a market for both kits, but let's be fair in advertising.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280726 (Re: VisionOneAutosports) 07/18/06 03:28 AM

Hey, guys a just wanted to pop in over hear to say how much I love this kit. I know my word isn't worth much over here since I don't post often, but I just wanted to let you all know anyways, becuase this kit is awesome, and it was a joy working with VOA.

If you read the development thread over on newcougar, I believe my initial assestment of the kit was a little to mild. I didn't realize how much better these things grip, and stopped the car untill I had to go back to driving my other cougar with a stock brake setup. OMG, night and day difference. Since we ran short on time when we installed the kit, I'm going to try and get some actual numbers between my two cougars. I know its not a perfect compairison, but its the best I can do for yall.

--Dan

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280789 (Re: nadthomas) 07/18/06 04:51 AM

This sounds pretty much like the same kit BATinc sells (12" rotor + 4 piston wilwood). Theirs is listed at $695, but unless something has changed... they're out of stock and cannot find replacements for some components. This kit (VisionOneAutosports) does sound like a good replacement for the mid-cost performance range.

By mid-cost... I'm referring to Focus SVT=low cost; Baer/TCE=high cost.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1280966 (Re: morbid) 07/18/06 02:20 PM

I was just scrolling through the Bat catalog last night and noticed their kit as well. I can't comment on weither they actualy have them available or not, but their 300mm rotor is just a blank. Its not cross drilled or slotted, and its not zinc plated. Additionaly only the 278mm rotor will fit under stock 16's without a spacer. The VOA kit does not require a spacer w/ stock 16's. Well I should say atleast on a cougar rim. I can't say w/ 100% certainty, because clearance is very close and I don't believe the kit has been fitted with a contour wheel.

I had E1 wheels on my cougar for a short time, so if I have time I will try to swing by the NECO member I sold them, but that won't happen until after I get back from vaction.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281181 (Re: Rara) 07/18/06 07:48 PM

Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
For this bulk buy the price will start at $900 Dollars SHIPPED, that's up to $400 cheaper than the competition.




This isn't a bad price at all for what you are offering, but let's at least be fair in what you compare to the competition. The competition's kit, at $400 more includes 13" (or 12.2" at the same price if you prefer) 2-piece rotors with aluminum hats plus hardware. This MORE than covers the difference in price over the Focus SVT rotors that come with this kit. There is certainly a market for both kits, but let's be fair in advertising.



You are entierly correct, and that is quite on purpose, but also remember that the 12.2 inch kit does not fit stock wheels either. And there is not addtional charge (125 for drilling?!?!) for slotting, drilling, or both.

We purposely avoided a 2 peice rotor due to cost, but I will go head to head with the competition, if their $1300 kit stops 30% shorter (thats how much more it costs) then I will be a full supporter, if their car on the same set up and drvier run 30% shorter lap times, I will be a full suporter, but if it doesnt you need to ask yourself where your priorities lie... we focusedo n getting a big performer out there for a much more reasonable price, thats all

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281195 (Re: VisionOneAutosports) 07/18/06 08:08 PM

Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
For this bulk buy the price will start at $900 Dollars SHIPPED, that's up to $400 cheaper than the competition.




This isn't a bad price at all for what you are offering, but let's at least be fair in what you compare to the competition. The competition's kit, at $400 more includes 13" (or 12.2" at the same price if you prefer) 2-piece rotors with aluminum hats plus hardware. This MORE than covers the difference in price over the Focus SVT rotors that come with this kit. There is certainly a market for both kits, but let's be fair in advertising.



You are entierly correct, and that is quite on purpose, but also remember that the 12.2 inch kit does not fit stock wheels either. And there is not addtional charge (125 for drilling?!?!) for slotting, drilling, or both.

We purposely avoided a 2 peice rotor due to cost, but I will go head to head with the competition, if their $1300 kit stops 30% shorter (thats how much more it costs) then I will be a full supporter, if their car on the same set up and drvier run 30% shorter lap times, I will be a full suporter, but if it doesnt you need to ask yourself where your priorities lie... we focusedo n getting a big performer out there for a much more reasonable price, thats all




Good points, and we thank you for your support!

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281308 (Re: nadthomas) 07/18/06 11:32 PM

Originally posted by nadthomas:
Additionaly only the 278mm rotor will fit under stock 16's without a spacer. The VOA kit does not require a spacer w/ stock 16's. Well I should say atleast on a cougar rim. I can't say w/ 100% certainty, because clearance is very close and I don't believe the kit has been fitted with a contour wheel.

I had E1 wheels on my cougar for a short time, so if I have time I will try to swing by the NECO member I sold them, but that won't happen until after I get back from vaction.



Not quite true. The brackets warmonger is working on allow fitment of the 300mm focus svt rotors under the stock 16"s (atleast both E0 and E1 svt wheels).

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281332 (Re: Kremithefrog) 07/19/06 12:24 AM

Originally posted by nadthomas:
. . .scrolling through the Bat catalog . . . but their 300mm rotor is just a blank. Its not cross drilled or slotted, and its not zinc plated.




Meh, the lack of drilling on a rotor never designed to be drilled is a big plus to me. But, hey, what do I know about brakes . . .


Originally posted by nadthomas:
Additionaly only the 278mm rotor will fit under stock 16's without a spacer. The VOA kit does not require a spacer w/ stock 16's.




Um, the 300mm Focus SVT rotor works quite well under stock 16" wheels, whether you use the FSVT calipers, or the stock contour calipers with brackets. Get you're facts straight.

Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:

. . . but also remember that the 12.2 inch kit does not fit stock wheels either.




So what? How many people are running a big brake kit on the stock wheels anyway? Not that a 300mm rotor is huge anyway.


Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
And there is not addtional charge (125 for drilling?!?!) for slotting, drilling, or both.




Meh, again, this doesn't bother me. Drilling is silly on anything that wasn't intentionally designed to be drilled from the outset. Slotting isn't a big deal either way, especially on a street car.


Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
We purposely avoided a 2 peice rotor due to cost,




I've got no problem with that, it is quite understandable, since Contour and Cougar owners have largely proved themselves to be really cheap or broke anyway.

Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
but I will go head to head with the competition, if their $1300 kit stops 30% shorter (thats how much more it costs) then I will be a full supporter, if their car on the same set up and drvier run 30% shorter lap times, I will be a full suporter,




And your kit is 80-100% more expensive than the $400 swap over to the SVT Focus brakes, I'm pretty sure your stuff isn't an 80-100% improvement in stopping distances or lap times over the FSVT brakes. Heck, I challenge you to show that your kit will stop 30% quicker than even the stock Contour SVT brakes in a fair back to back comparison. I guarantee it won't. It won't do much for single laptimes either, as long as its a fair comparison.

Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
but if it doesnt you need to ask yourself where your priorities lie... we focusedo n getting a big performer out there for a much more reasonable price, thats all




Well, if your priorities are the biggest bang for the buck, then it is easily the Focus SVT brake upgrade.

I'm not trying to discourage your sales here; I'm just trying to keep the playing field honest. And I happen to know a thing or two about brakes . . .

And, fwiw, because of my personal experiences, I am just no longer a fan of wilwood calipers. Brembo calipers are the only ones that have never let me down . . . though, to be fair, I've never used AP or Alcon calipers extensively. Hmm, maybe I should put together my own kit . . .

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281435 (Re: Rara) 07/19/06 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by nadthomas:
. . .scrolling through the Bat catalog . . . but their 300mm rotor is just a blank. Its not cross drilled or slotted, and its not zinc plated.




Meh, the lack of drilling on a rotor never designed to be drilled is a big plus to me. But, hey, what do I know about brakes . . .


Originally posted by nadthomas:
Additionaly only the 278mm rotor will fit under stock 16's without a spacer. The VOA kit does not require a spacer w/ stock 16's.




Um, the 300mm Focus SVT rotor works quite well under stock 16" wheels, whether you use the FSVT calipers, or the stock contour calipers with brackets. Get you're facts straight.

I'm not trying to discourage your sales here; I'm just trying to keep the playing field honest. And I happen to know a thing or two about brakes . . .





Ummm if you would note, please, the current disscussion was about the Bat brake kit. And it says right in their catalog that their 300mm kit requires wheels spaces. I am well aware that a 300mm rotor will fit in a stock 16" wheel, I own the VOA prototype kit. I am also aware of the Focus 300mm setup as well. I was not talking about the Focus kit at all, I was talking about the BAT kit in compairison to the VOA kit.

As far as the drilling and slotting goes, I believe just about everyone knows that it doesn't do much, if anything for our cars, but some people still like the look. Drilling and slotting is offered as a free option, so if you don't want it, great don't get it.

For someone that is not trying to discourage sales you sure are doing a good job of twisting things around to make them look bad. Just so everyone is aware, my obligations to VOA to display or even talk at all about this kit were done the second I pulled my car into Cougarfest. I have nothing to gain from the sale of their kit, other then to see two nice guys sell a good brake kit, and to see Cougar & Contour owners enjoying the kit. My offering to do compairison brake tests, and double test the fitment with Contour wheels is for the good of the Contour and Cougar community, not VOA. I may not know it all about brakes, but I'm doing what little I can to help.

Edited by nadthomas (07/19/06 02:49 AM)

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281461 (Re: nadthomas) 07/19/06 03:21 AM

Rara is not trying to discourage sales, but trying to provide correct information, which is something anyone can appreciate, especially anyone interested in purchasing a brake upgrade.

And as far as the 300mm rotors from BAT not fitting without spacers has little to do with rotor size. It's the caliper they're using that is making contact with the wheel spokes. And as mentioned before, their kit may not be even available as is most likely not something many/any CEGer is considering due to other options.

And again, thanks to visionone for doing something for cdw27's, but we like to have the facts on this forum. That should be understandable whether you know nothing or everything about brakes.

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VisionOneAutosports
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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281477 (Re: Rara) 07/19/06 03:47 AM

Originally posted by Rara:


And your kit is 80-100% more expensive than the $400 swap over to the SVT Focus brakes, I'm pretty sure your stuff isn't an 80-100% improvement in stopping distances or lap times over the FSVT brakes. Heck, I challenge you to show that your kit will stop 30% quicker than even the stock Contour SVT brakes in a fair back to back comparison. I guarantee it won't. It won't do much for single laptimes either, as long as its a fair comparison.

Originally posted by VisionOneAutosports:
but if it doesnt you need to ask yourself where your priorities lie... we focusedo n getting a big performer out there for a much more reasonable price, thats all




Well, if your priorities are the biggest bang for the buck, then it is easily the Focus SVT brake upgrade.

I'm not trying to discourage your sales here; I'm just trying to keep the playing field honest. And I happen to know a thing or two about brakes . . .




The focus SVT option is not bad on a budget, quality rotors and a good set of pads is even better on a budget!

Stepping up to a fixed 4 piston caliper over a stock floater enables

1: much larger selection of pad compounds for on and off the track

2: much better cooling and thus fade resistance than than the SVT could ever how to provide, which also leads to consitency in pedal feel after repeated stops.

If the focus SVT calipers and rotors were that good, focus owners would not upgrade them would they?

I must say Rara your arguments on the surface seem to be non biased, but really seem to be discouraging when you look at the information you conveniently leave out.


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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281559 (Re: VisionOneAutosports) 07/19/06 10:12 AM

I'm curious if your rotors have directional vanes? I'm pretty sure the Focus SVT ones are not directional. I know Baer's are, but not sure about TCE's (pretty sure they are).

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281603 (Re: morbid) 07/19/06 12:51 PM

Just to put some of this to rest, lets be absolutely clear on what your 400 dollar savings difference is:

What you sacrifice:
1 piece instead of 2 piece rotor - but as rara him/herself pointed out, if you don't need slotting or drilling on a street car, then why do you need a 400 dollar more expensive 2 piece rotor set?

A rotor that is directionally vaned, for just a vaned rotor, but again as rara stated, if the SVT rotor/caliper upgrade is so great the these should still be great performers.

11.8 rotor diameter instead of 12.2 - that's a loss of 3.3% in diameter, however you get a .9 inch thickness instead of .81, that's a 10% gain in thickness.

You do not need an additional spacer set (add another $40) to fit stock wheels

You do not pay shipping

What you gain:
Absurd stopping for a street car, I got light headed in this car when stopping from 80 MPH because it stopped so fast, and our test car has VERY mild tires, lock up at low speeds was a given on 3/4 pedal.

The EXACT same calipers, and your choice of pad compounds.

$400 dollars in your pocket for an exhaust, CAI, STS, headers, better tires, sway bars, TB upgrade.... need I go on?

If your absolutely determined to have the most absurd stopping power in town, then you need to build your own kit with the 14 inch rotors, and use something like the P6R and titanium brackets, but those claipers alone would cost you about 40 grand for the pair

If you want a great looking, great performing kit at 1/3 less cost than the next best option, this is it, I don't want to debate what is or is not needed on a treet car, thats not Rara's descision or mine, in the end it is up to you YOU, the owner and driver of the car to decide how to spend your money, we have been straight forward with the facts from the beginning so here they are (once again) as plainly as I can put them!

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281646 (Re: VisionOneAutosports) 07/19/06 02:07 PM

EDIT: the P6R is about 2 grand per claiper for a total of 4 grand in claipers. For 40 grand your calipers better add 50 HP also!

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1281673 (Re: morbid) 07/19/06 02:32 PM

FYI - the 13" rotors offered by TCE have directional vanes.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1290316 (Re: Hdbngr8) 07/31/06 05:54 PM

UPDATES: We have found yet another discount! The price on this kit for the bulk buy is now $850 SHIPPED.

If you are interested you need to Email visiononeautosports@gmail.com with your request and intended payment (MO/Paypal) ASAP.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1290582 (Re: VisionOneAutosports) 07/31/06 10:58 PM

I have a few questions:

First, How much do these calipers weigh?

Second, who makes the rotor? Is this rotor readily available?

Thank you,
- Chris

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1290774 (Re: LoveMySVT) 08/01/06 03:00 AM

Also what is the part number for the caliper that excepts a 0.9" rotor? I only see 0.81", 1.10", and 1.25" calipers on Wilwood's website.

-Chris

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1291012 (Re: LoveMySVT) 08/01/06 01:20 PM

The caliper weight I cannot give you, unfortunetly given the rush to make CougarFest we were un able to weight the calipers, what I can say is that these are night and day difference between the stock caliper.

The rotor is an SVT Focus Rotor as mentioned on page 1 of this thread. So to answer your question, yes it is readily availible Via the web or your local auto poarts stoers, replacements should not be an issue.

The caliper is a .81 caliper body, Forged Billet Superlight.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1291226 (Re: VisionOneAutosports) 08/01/06 05:07 PM

I *think* those calipers weigh 4 pounds.

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Re: Big Brake Bulk Buy new
#1291232 (Re: morbid) 08/01/06 05:14 PM

Originally posted by morbid:
I *think* those calipers weigh 4 pounds.



I had the information at one point but I never weighed them myself, I would guessn ot more than 5 so if you remember SEEING 4lbs that is probably about right!

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