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onosway
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::: ATTN: ALL KAOTIC POTENTIAL/CURRENT BUYERS ::::
#503342 - 01/16/04 01:10 AM

*MODERATOR PLEASE STICK THIS ON TOP*

CEG:

It's been 15 months to the day that my car was taken by Chris Croft at Kaotic Innovations. 15 months of tolerance and hard work to create something for our beloved cars - a car that the tuner industry would not touch. Brace yourself... but my car to this day is not finished...

October 31st: This was the day Chris told me and my dad that my SVT was ready and was going to be in the paint shop.

November 15th: The paint shop picked up my car

November 15th - Late December: Chris said there were slight problems with the paint and some things had to be worked over on the car.

December 18th: I went to NYC for vacation so I couldn't pick up the car till I got back.

December 24th: Chris supposedly tried to contact me to come pick up the car

December 25th - January 1st: Obviously it's the holiday so I couldn't pick up my car.

January 5th: went to go pick up my car - I didn't call or give lead time...

My friend and I get to the shop and knock on the door, with some time Chris comes out of the shop and I ask him to take me to the paint shop so I can pick up my baby. Chris drives to the paint shop with me. We get there and they're closed. There's a small hole in the bay door of paint shop that I can look inside of. Chris tells me that the car is behind two cars and points out the general direction.

So we try calling the shop owners to no avail. We decide to have lunch. We talked about why they weren't there. Chris tells me that the owners were in Canada, that they work all year long and then they all go out with their buddies to Canada on a fishing trip and won't be back till the 8th. I ask him about the paint job, to describe it to me. He tells me that they did 3 coats of the candy red paint and 3 coats of clear. They did a tribal graphic on the drivers side of the door - he described the graphic he put on and the colors used.

So it all sounds good and my friend and I go home waiting for word on the 8th.

January 8th comes and passes - no word from Chris and like everybody else I can't reach him at the shop.

January 12: My friend and I are hanging out and start talking about last Monday's trip to Kaotic. We both started getting the feeling something was strange... I never doubted Chris before - I mean, he's my friend.... so I thought....

January 13: We decided to pay a visit to the paint shop in the morning without telling Chris or calling the shop, my brother and friend with me. We get to the paint shop that day and it's still closed. I had my extra set of keys and remote and tried to push the panic button to see if it was in there. No sucess and we didn't feel like breaking in to property. So we went to Kaotic next.

We get there and see a black celica outside which is normally not there. I remembered that Chris told me they would be working on one so I knew someone had to be there. We heard shuffling inside the garage area. knocked on the door a couple times and my brother decided to knock on the garage door. The loud banging got some attention. Tony, Chris' partner comes out the garage side door on the phone. He's on the phone and hands it to me and says - "here's the guy you want to talk to"

I get on the phone and ask him where the hell my car is - Chris says they had a break in for some dumb reason and that car is inside. I can't remember what I did with the phone but I remember walking inside and seeing my car on jack stands NOT FINISHED. The car was in primer with the front bumper removed. The front two wheels off on jack stands. There was no hood on the car and the widebody panels on both bumpers not finished - the back bumper didn't even have the moulding for the widebody.

The car was in a disgusting state I couldn't speak - this is the first time I've seen the car since early October. It looked pretty much the same to me except that the molding of the sideskirt to the widebody was finished. I walked around the car atleast two or three times looking over everything. I was silently furious but for anybody that knows me - I have a hard time getting or staying mad... go figure, i'm the dumbass who left my car there for 15 months trusting Chris.

After maybe walking around the car 3 times I tell Tony I'm towing her back home. From there i'm so confused I WAS LIED TO BY SOMEONE I CONSIDERED A GOOD FRIEND WHO I STOOD UP FOR THROUGHOUT THIS VENTURE.

Time passes and I start talking to Tony, i'm not mad at Tony nor do I have any kind of negative feelings towards him - the SVT was not his project. I tell Tony what Chris told me and he can't believe that I was lied to like that.

We took pictures at the shop and I will post them for you all very soon - they are on my friends picture phone so we are posting them soon.

I asked Tony what else needed to be done - Tony tells me and I ask him if HE CAN FINISH IT for me and that I don't want Chris to be any part of this. I was debating whether to leave my car there or not but the tow truck was already on its way. Within the two hours it took for the tow truck Tony and I talked and made an agreement that I would take the car back and he would come down to my town and work on it in a garage of my choosing and he would also get it painted by the shop.

$250 later (towing expense) - CHRIS IF YOU'RE READING THIS YOU OWE ME.

I'M OFFICIALLY SCREWED UNLESS TONY COMES THROUGH. I don't have the money to fix my baby up to spec nor the money to get it painted. The car is now sitting in my garage - I never ever expected this to happen.

Yesterday my friends came over to help with the clean up process - we managed to get the engine clean and much of the leather restored. There is a lot of work needed to be done... A LOT.

If Tony does not come through I need to take out a loan to finish my car. It is a sad state of affairs. I'm not mad that it's not done - I'm more mad that I was lied to by someone whom I trusted so much and someone who I considered to be a friend. I value trust over anything else - betrayed by anybody I will turn my back on them and never give them another chance.

I no longer support nor endorse Kaotic Innovations nor will I ever trust Chris Croft again. Guys - I don't know what to do - I don't want to give the car back to Kaotic due to the situation.

I will be on the boards and looking at this post often for your advice....

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beyondloadedSE
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#503351 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 01:21 AM

well, this could be the straw that broke the camels back for me.

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XKontour98
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#503352 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 01:22 AM

DAMN NIRISH! Thsi fuggin SUX! I feel really bad for you! You of all people are getting screwed the worse and have devoted the most time and effort!

Now I definitely believe they have a law suit coming their way! I'm a broke college student that has all my money tied up in this kit and I have no legal experience, nor have I ever talked to a lawyer so can someone more experience step up and help us out!

Man did I have abad feeling this was gonna happen

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Freakshow
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#503353 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 01:22 AM

Man I can't understand how you aren't completely pissed off dude. Much respect on being able to control yourself because I probably would have beat the hell out of someone if I saw my car like that after so long. That is so screwed especially considering it was a friend that pulled this on you. I'm not in the GB for the kits but I posted it once and someone else did as well but I think SOMEONE in that GB needs to get names of everyone who was in it and take it to a lawyer for a class action suit against kaotic...and do it SOON before they try to disappear. The longer you guys wait the harder it's going to be to get your money back.

P.S. I have an old buddy back in Cali that is a lawyer. Granted he mostly does immigration type stuff but he now has several law firms and could probably tell me what you guys need to do to get this resolved. If no one in the GB wants to contact a lawyer then someone could maybe PM me all the pertinent info as far as how many are involved and how much money and other details etc and I could maybe get ahold of him and A. Get some advice on what your course is and B. Maybe one of his firms could handle it for you guys. Someone in the GB should really get with a local lawyer but if not let me know and I'll see what I can find out.

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Nate S
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#503362 (Re: XKontour98) 01/16/04 01:29 AM

Originally posted by XKontour98:
I'm a broke college student that has all my money tied up in this kit and I have no legal experience, nor have I ever talked to a lawyer so can someone more experience step up and help us out!



make a post in the common interests forums, so that lots of people can read it...hopefully you'll find a couple people who can help you out...

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LinaBby
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#503365 (Re: Freakshow) 01/16/04 01:30 AM

Originally posted by freakshow:
Man I can't understand how you aren't completely pissed off dude. Much respect on being able to control yourself because I probably would have beat the hell out of someone if I saw my car like that after so long.




I completely agree.. I would have lost it... I wasnt in this g/b either but its a shame to see how bad these people have abused the trust they have been given... Im really sorry to hear about your tour!! I hope everything works out... TAKE LOTS OF PICTURES....

lina

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Nate S
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#503367 (Re: LinaBby) 01/16/04 01:33 AM

yeah definitely take lots of pictures. and get better quality ones than with a camera phone....

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ProudSVT
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#503372 (Re: Nate S) 01/16/04 01:38 AM

Sucks man, sorry to hear about all this crap. Hopefully Tony comes though, but you SERIOUSLY need to consider a lawyer, especially if you have to take a loan.


BTW, change your signature.

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onosway
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#503376 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 01:47 AM



Hey everyone, this is Nyceboi's brother. If you read his post you know that I went with him on an adventure to Kaotic Innovations 2 days ago on the 13th. I had just gotten back from LA the day prior and we spoke in the morning. He had a funny feeling inside of him telling him that something was wrong with his car. We both came to the conclusion that maybe they had broken something on the car and were waiting on a part. I decided to go along with him and our friend on a trip to the boondocks to "bust some heads" as I told our mother when we left home.



We get to Oroville (where kaotic is located) and head to the paint shop where the car is supposedly getting painted. Well hot damn, the sumbitch is open and we don't see the car inside. Off to Kaotic.



We get to Kaotic and I knock on the office door, no one answers. I keep knocking, still nothing. So I decide to bang on the steel garage door. Out comes someone I've never seen before, Tony. Tony is on the phone with Chris and hands the phone to my brother, he wants to know where the care is and blah blah. I ask Tony if the car is inside, he says yes, and I ask can we see it. He lifts open the huge garage door and there she is...



...Exactly the way I saw it at the beginning of 2003 minus the lambo doors. WHAT THE [censored] IS THIS [censored], I say in my head, and then proceed to say it out loud. The car is on 2 jack stands with the front wheels off. The passenger side door shock is ALL [censored]. The front bumper isn't FINISHED. The rear wide body fenders ARENT DONT YET EITHER. The interior is [censored]. WHERE THE [censored] IS THE SPOILER?! The engine is all [censored]. The brakes are all [censored]. THE CAR IS ALL [censored]. THIS IS [censored], I thought the car was finished in October.

AND THE [censored] HOOD SCOOP IS GONE REPLACED BY THE ORIGINAL HOOD! WHAT THE [censored]!??

We all kept hearing 2 weeks, 2 weeks, 2 [censored] WEEKS. Of what you ask? Well isn't it obvious? 2 [censored] WEEKS OF LIES LIES LIES. Actually 15 months of [censored] LIES.

None of this is geared towards Tony. This wasn't Tony's car, Tony didn't know what was going on with the car, THIS WAS CHRIS' [censored] PROJECT. The reason I'm PISSED OFF is because we had plans to fix up our other Contour that was supposed to be for me, BUT I GUESS NOT ANY [censored] MORE HUH CHRIS?!

I'm not so much pissed that the car isn't done either, it's the fact that we were lied to throughout the entire ordeal. That in my opinion, and much of yours I presume, is not good business.

We will have this car show ready in 2 [censored] WEEKS.

MUSTANGS RULE!!!





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MY NEW HOBBY...RUINING CHRIS CROFTS LIFE...

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unisys12
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#503378 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 01:51 AM



I am speechless...

After about 5 minutes of pondering this...

I have no solution. Not a non-violent one anyway.

I will say this, "even though I was not part of this Group Buy, I feel betrayed". So I cannot even begin to imagine how everyone else feels. And to everyone else that has paid money to Kaotic, I can only feel sorry for you guys. I wish there was more I could do.

I can only hope that a justifiable end can come to this mess.

Nyceboi, I know that everyone will appreciate you posting this update on the situation. You have always been a dependable person to deal with and I personally don't think this will have much affect on you. You did what you thought was best for our cars and gave your car for that purpose. There is nothing more that anyone could ask. If I could make it there, I would personally come and help complete your car back to spec.

Againg, I am sorry to everyone.

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ATX rebuilt @ 151K

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#503382 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 02:01 AM

Call a lawyer. Start documenting EVERYTHING. Emails, letters, posts here, checks sent etc. This will help to turn the issue from a he-sucks-no-you-suck type disagreement into a viable case for court.

Best of luck to you. I'm sorry to hear of this.

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onosway
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#503392 (Re: MarkO) 01/16/04 02:19 AM

wow... thanks for the responces

i need a lot of help - i still want my car finished

anything you want to remain public post here otherwise email me at svt@nyceboicreations.com with anything.

I havn't been here since October and I forgot how great you all are - thanks for having my back.

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onosway
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#503398 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 02:24 AM

For those of you who don't know - my car was the prototype car for this kit - the car that was supposed to have the FIRST KIT completed

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MapOfTaziFoSho
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#503399 (Re: ProudSVT) 01/16/04 02:25 AM

Yeah, I remember posting about you guys needing some legal help and Nirish was the one who [censored] me out for that...I'm not going to throw this in your face, but you were behind them 100% and after you said "hey no one needs any legal advice" I let it go because I assumed that you knew what was up. Well, I'm sorry, is everyone in the GB fcuked?

FWIW you need an attorney from the state of CA. You guys on the boards can talk to friends and family, but unless they know cali law you all aren't gettin anywhere. Also, if they don't have the money they don't have the money. I do not believe there is any insurance system to cover something like this. I hope the best for you Nirish and all the guys in the Kaotic GB, especially Mike in GR. Karma will get these guys too!

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#503403 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 02:32 AM

nirish what you need to do is give tony a deadline and set up a date to when he is going to finish the car. The shop is responsible for finishing the car because of the agreement that you guys had. As for the rest of us, we can still get them. i sent them an email and i have given them a deadline of march 1 to either have my kit, have the kit shipped or have my money back, if not i will have my bank get my money back. We should also get the BBB and other people involved so that we can make sure chirs never starts a bussiness again.

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#503413 (Re: lsneo) 01/16/04 02:42 AM

As Phil put it, there's not much to be done, except for street justice. It's a pity that ppl in our society feel so immune to good ol' baseball bat... That's why they do what they please....

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onosway
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#503430 (Re: R_G) 01/16/04 02:57 AM

Guys...I have paper trails miles long...

Every check was copied so I have proof of everyone who sent money to me for Kaotic - every paypal transaction too. I can PDF everything if you need a copy of your original transactions.

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Freakshow
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#503447 (Re: MapOfTaziFoSho) 01/16/04 03:14 AM

Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:


FWIW you need an attorney from the state of CA. You guys on the boards can talk to friends and family, but unless they know cali law you all aren't gettin anywhere. Also, if they don't have the money they don't have the money. I do not believe there is any insurance system to cover something like this. I hope the best for you Nirish and all the guys in the Kaotic GB, especially Mike in GR. Karma will get these guys too!




Where at in Cali is Kaotic located? My lawyer buddy is in SoCal I believe in the San Diego/LA areas so if his firms don't handle these kind of things he may at least be able to reccommend a good lawyer to handle this. As far as them not having the money: If they don't have the money and a lawsuit is won by the CEGer's who got screwed the courts can seize any of their assets for liquidation to cover the money they owe so I'm sure one way or another people can get their money back. I'll try to email my bud and see if I can get a little info for you guys.

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Davo
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#503448 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 03:15 AM

Nirish, man....I knew something was wrong just by seeing the shop and the way they handled Matt's car.

The shop: A disaster. That word best explains it.

Matt's car: We drove 25+ hours to California to have this done, and found out upon getting there that Chris had only gotten back into town an hour or two before. We got in later than expected, so if we had been on time, we would have been screwed for a while. Anyways, the bumper was nowhere near installation condition. I think it took them 7-8 hours to get the bumper on Matt's car. It's not like we showed up unexpectedly -- they all knew we were coming. Also, we were told it would take less than an hour to put the bumper on, so we had plans on the coast for the next day. We still got to the coast, but only had a couple hours.

Bottom line, it sucks everyone got scammed, but I can honestly say that after being at the shop and having this experience that I am not surprised.

Nirish, I hope you can get your car fixed alright, and the effects from this all will not be too rough. One of the highlights of our trip was getting to meet you and hang out for a few, so it hurts to see this happen to you.

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TDF: Find another target for putting your words in someone else's mouth. One who will let you get away with it.
It reflects poorly on you and your ammunition if you stoop to such a phony ploy.





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#503455 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 03:22 AM

I was looking to buy that kit, I thought it was awsome, but now...no way. They just lost a ton of business.
I want to apolgise for what happened to your car, I love mine, if anything happened, I would freak out.

Bryan

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Flowmaster Exhaust
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Nate S
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#503457 (Re: Davo) 01/16/04 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Davo7SVT:

The shop: A disaster. That word best explains it.



details?

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Davo
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#503467 (Re: Nate S) 01/16/04 03:32 AM

Sure, and I'm sure Nirish's pictures will show this. First of all, walking into the shop the first thing I see, after getting up from tripping on something, is Nirish's car covered in fiberglass dust/whatever kind of dust that is -- just terrible. There were fiberglass parts everywhere, junk laying all over the floor. You had to step over things to get anywhere. There were a few beater cars there that looked like they had been to hell and back, I guess they were supposed to be future projects. Turns out CEGers will probably own them at some point in the future.

Just picture the worst-kept shop you've ever seen, and you'll have Kaotic's.

Nirish, I can imagine how much work you have to put into your car just to get it clean!

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TDF: Find another target for putting your words in someone else's mouth. One who will let you get away with it.
It reflects poorly on you and your ammunition if you stoop to such a phony ploy.





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#503469 (Re: Davo) 01/16/04 03:36 AM

wow, thats so discraceful. if i was kaotic, i would just be completely ashamed of myself...oh and by the way, on the kaotic site, i believe the link for the contour bodykit was either deleated or is offline (take your reason...it doesnt work). you can no longer see the pics for it...

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onosway
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#503472 (Re: Davo) 01/16/04 03:39 AM

and it's till not clean yet - i got a lot of the dust out - with 4 guys took 1hr to do that. Sail panel is damaged, vinyl parts need major conditioning work. Leather looks great though and we got the engine cleaned up pretty well.

The first shop looked great but when Altered Image declared bankruptcy Kaotic was forced to move there - the location just described. Pretty much a make-do location so I never cared about that part of it but the fact my interior wasn't treated better is an eyesore...

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#503473 (Re: Davo) 01/16/04 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
Nirish, man....I knew something was wrong just by seeing the shop and the way they handled Matt's car.

The shop: A disaster. That word best explains it.

Matt's car: We drove 25+ hours to California to have this done, and found out upon getting there that Chris had only gotten back into town an hour or two before. We got in later than expected, so if we had been on time, we would have been screwed for a while. Anyways, the bumper was nowhere near installation condition. I think it took them 7-8 hours to get the bumper on Matt's car. It's not like we showed up unexpectedly -- they all knew we were coming. Also, we were told it would take less than an hour to put the bumper on, so we had plans on the coast for the next day. We still got to the coast, but only had a couple hours.

Bottom line, it sucks everyone got scammed, but I can honestly say that after being at the shop and having this experience that I am not surprised.

Nirish, I hope you can get your car fixed alright, and the effects from this all will not be too rough. One of the highlights of our trip was getting to meet you and hang out for a few, so it hurts to see this happen to you.




Any chance they took parts from Nirish's car to complete Matt's???

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#503493 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 04:12 AM

That really sucks for you Nirish more than any of us. If Tony doesn't fix your car, it's gonna cost you more than anyone else has put into this. This sucks. I guess I'll probably be out my $75, but if you have the copies of the paypal transaction and emails I've sent you, those would be nice to have. I will do whatever I can to help if a lawsuit is started, if my issue isn't resolved. I'm sorry I ever said anything good about Kaotic.

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#503502 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 04:24 AM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
and it's till not clean yet - i got a lot of the dust out - with 4 guys took 1hr to do that. Sail panel is damaged, vinyl parts need major conditioning work. Leather looks great though and we got the engine cleaned up pretty well.

The first shop looked great but when Altered Image declared bankruptcy Kaotic was forced to move there - the location just described. Pretty much a make-do location so I never cared about that part of it but the fact my interior wasn't treated better is an eyesore...




I hope you got pics of your car BEFORE you cleaned it because it could go a long way if it goes to court.

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#503506 (Re: Kremithefrog) 01/16/04 04:28 AM

Guys like many people have mentioned already, someone in this GB needs to get on the phone and start talking to a lawyer! I hear alot of suggestions about wanting to talk to a lawyer, but someone needs to actually do so. Also start collecting every bit of documentation you can find! At the same time one of you, if not already done, needs to contact the Better Business Bureau immediately as well! Put some legal pressure on these people, not just threats to do so.

Once again I feel bad for everyone.

Nycoebi please post pics, I know it doesn't take long to post them on here and I think everyone is curious as to see the condition your car was in and what it looks like at this very moment.

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#503513 (Re: JonGordo8) 01/16/04 04:31 AM

Originally posted by JonGordo8:
Guys like many people have mentioned already, someone in this GB needs to get on the phone and start talking to a lawyer!




A lawyer at the state AG's office! The way this has been handled seems downright criminal!

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#503564 (Re: perry) 01/16/04 05:15 AM

Originally posted by perry:
Originally posted by JonGordo8:
Guys like many people have mentioned already, someone in this GB needs to get on the phone and start talking to a lawyer!




A lawyer at the state AG's office! The way this has been handled seems downright criminal!




I agree with that! AG = Attorney General

Odds are someone would have asked that...

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#503586 (Re: MapOfTaziFoSho) 01/16/04 05:44 AM

Thanks for the emails guys...

My friend is trying to figure out how to take the pictures off his phone - we took pictures at the shop and pictures when we took it home. It is on a camera phone but that's all we had - I did not expect to see my car in the condition it was in.

I'm going to get the paper trails PDF'd and will send them to whoever needs them.

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#503598 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 06:09 AM

holy f!ckin sh!t

you can't be serious...how can someone just flat out lie like that?

I have a very good question though, if your car isn't even finished then how are kits supposed to be shipping out?

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#503600 (Re: IonNinja) 01/16/04 06:16 AM

Quote:

I have a very good question though, if your car isn't even finished then how are kits supposed to be shipping out?




Quote:

you can't be serious...how can someone just flat out lie like that?




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#503609 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 06:31 AM

Well this needs to be handled in a group effort, check your email guys.

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#503638 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 08:18 AM

Originally posted by nyceboi:

Time passes and I start talking to Tony, i'm not mad at Tony nor do I have any kind of negative feelings towards him - the SVT was not his project. I tell Tony what Chris told me and he can't believe that I was lied to like that.




I haven't been following this case for longer than the last two weeks or so, I really don't know very much about it at all. But I know enough that if Tony and Chris are in business together then I would hold Tony just as accountable as Chris. I mean common I think he would no better than anyone else that Chirs was F'ing everyone over. It doesn't take a rocket sciencetist to realize that a car has been in your shop gradually getting f'ed up for FIFTEEN months. I think they are just pulling the good guy/bad guy scam to dupe you once again. In a partnership both partners assume all liability. Correct me if I am wrong but if Chris = A'hole , Kaotic = A'holes, Tony + Chris = Kaotic then we can all assume Tony = A'hole!

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#503639 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/16/04 08:27 AM

Originally posted by KnuKonceptz:

Any chance they took parts from Nirish's car to complete Matt's???




no, nirishs car was just as he dscribed it this summer when we went there.. minus the lambo doors if any of that has actually been done. we watched them yank the bumper out of the mold too. the only thing i got was the front end, not the entire kit.

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#503641 (Re: Speed Demon) 01/16/04 08:29 AM

Did you see whaere they got the hood from? Because Nirish doesnt have the kit one and They didnt see it in the shop!

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#503654 (Re: XKontour98) 01/16/04 08:57 AM

Chris decided to take the hood scoop off for some reason. I have the hood he worked on but he took it off and refinished it!?!

So for those who ordered a hood - no hood of you...

my car looks so naked without it... if i get it into a bodyshop soon i'll have it molded back on.

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#503656 (Re: IonNinja) 01/16/04 09:00 AM

Originally posted by ZetecNinja:

I have a very good question though, if your car isn't even finished then how are kits supposed to be shipping out?




That's what I don't get either - they supposedly shipped out two kits and yet my car is NOT FINISHED??! what's up with that? Maybe I should start a Help-the-SVT fund...lol j/k

Thanks for the support via email guys. We'll get through this yet - you all are great.

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#503660 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 09:19 AM

unfunkin believable...i feel so bad for you nyce, but i still feel worse for those that sent hard-earned money to these shiesters...what a bunch of sorry sob's

i dont know what good it will do, but SUE SUE SUE...there was a story on a tv program last week of some celebs son who was left a vintage chevy pickup i think it was by the dying father...son sent the truck to a resto shop and the truck flat disappeared!!!

he's suing the owner and was awarded damages but hasnt even seen a dime of that, and the shop owner claims the truck vanished when it was sent out for painting

one thing i wonder is who the hell chose this shop in the first place and why...wasn't it checked it out from the beginning...if they had beaters and pos cars sitting around maybe they weren't theh place to use

and to think that if it had been closer to me i was seriously considering donating my pre98 in order to get the free kit

instead of spring zings and meets, maybe there should be a caravan to kaotic and some serious ass kicking

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#503664 (Re: gdub520) 01/16/04 09:34 AM

Originally posted by gdub520:


one thing i wonder is who the hell chose this shop in the first place and why...wasn't it checked it out from the beginning...if they had beaters and pos cars sitting around maybe they weren't theh place to use




I did check it out and the first shop looked great - but when it tanked they were forced to move to another location - what were my options? my car was already being modified and at this point I began to trust Chris and see him as a friend.

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#503665 (Re: gdub520) 01/16/04 09:46 AM

Originally posted by gdub520:


instead of spring zings and meets, maybe there should be a caravan to kaotic and some serious ass kicking


Sounds like fun!!!!

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#503692 (Re: Loco4G63) 01/16/04 12:11 PM

nirish, if you could please email me the pdf file of all the people that payed including myself at hahndojr@hotmail.com that would be great. Im gonna try and talk to my lawyer.

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#503841 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/16/04 04:16 PM

I just tried calling and i got a message that stated that they were closed for the holidays
The message did tell me to have a happy New Year though, would be a hell of a lot happier if i got my $700.00+ dollars back though

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#503855 (Re: BK4293) 01/16/04 04:34 PM

get in touch with the state police!make sure you get this
on file!This is very serious and their are laws in each state! and also federal laws against using the internet
for scams.

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#503942 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 06:19 PM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
Originally posted by gdub520:


one thing i wonder is who the hell chose this shop in the first place and why...wasn't it checked it out from the beginning...if they had beaters and pos cars sitting around maybe they weren't theh place to use




I did check it out and the first shop looked great - but when it tanked they were forced to move to another location - what were my options? my car was already being modified and at this point I began to trust Chris and see him as a friend.




i understand and i do seem to remember that the shop tanked or they had to move or something...not knocking u in the least, mostly using hindsight

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#503966 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 06:54 PM

For everyone Involved I just filed a complaint with the better business bureau in Cali. I suggest you all contact them and file aswell, they might be of help to us, if not atleast it is against them for other consummers.
Heres the contact info:

The Better Business Bureau that will handle your complaint is:

Sacramento Valley BBB
400 S. Street
Sacramento, CA 95814 -6997
Phone: (916)443-6843
Fax: (916)441-3356
Email: ops@northeastcalifornia.bbb.org
WWW: http://www.northeastcalifornia.bbb.org



And heres Kaotics info:

Kaotic Innovations
2870 Feather River Blvd Sute B
Oroville, CA United States 95965
(530)532-0967
www.kaoticinnovations.com

Yo can File a complaint on tis website aswell:

http://complaints.bbb.org/SelectComplaintLinkFrameSet.asp


Good Luck and please help out or this will go no where!



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#503970 (Re: XKontour98) 01/16/04 06:59 PM

File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Go to this website www.sacramento.bbb.org

File a complaint with the Attorney General State of California (800) 952-5225

File a complaint with the Bureau of Automotive Repair. You can do this by calling (800) 952-5210


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#503983 (Re: IonNinja) 01/16/04 07:10 PM

Originally posted by ZetecNinja:


I have a very good question though, if your car isn't even finished then how are kits supposed to be shipping out?




i did see molds for the front, sides, and the 1st rear they posted up in the shop... nirishs car was far beyond what they were offering to the rest of us. so kits could have been made out of those molds while nirishs car was neglected? i donno...

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#503984 (Re: outkast) 01/16/04 07:10 PM

You guys that paid might want to pool funds & get a lawyer to look into this now. There might be some assets that can be siezed & liquidated to allow you to get at least some of your money back.

I hate this crap.

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#504029 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 07:52 PM

Kevin- I-dom-in-8 wants to know how he is going to get his money back for his hood since he sent you a paypal for the hood. Should he be talking with you or Kaotic?? Please advise asap.

Thanks,

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#504040 (Re: TourDeForce) 01/16/04 08:04 PM

http://www.stratusphere.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=181&st=120

I registered there so I can link them to this thread.. Looks like Kaotic is stringing them along with hoods.

Apparently they are doing the same thing we are doing with new user registrations -- admin has to approve them. As soon as I'm approved, I'll make a post there.

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#504042 (Re: TourDeForce) 01/16/04 08:05 PM

If we seize assets than get the mold for those fascias, I could get them re-man in southern Cali.

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#504046 (Re: perry) 01/16/04 08:09 PM

Originally posted by perry:
http://www.stratusphere.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=181&st=120

I registered there so I can link them to this thread.. Looks like Kaotic is stringing them along with hoods.

Apparently they are doing the same thing we are doing with new user registrations -- admin has to approve them. As soon as I'm approved, I'll make a post there.




"Lets concerntrate on getting them produced before were pushing for mass production. I have been waiting for going on two years for this damn hood. And still all we hear is there workin on it. More workin less BS please!!! "

Wow, this sounds so familar!

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#504051 (Re: Airforce) 01/16/04 08:15 PM

Originally posted by ILZX3:
Kevin- I-dom-in-8 wants to know how he is going to get his money back for his hood since he sent you a paypal for the hood. Should he be talking with you or Kaotic?? Please advise asap.

Thanks,

Phil




Phil - I gave Chris all the money between summer '03 and October/November '03. As you all know I was only acting in good faith since Terry was no where to be found and communication with Kaotic was scarce and I was atleast the most responsible. I have proof of every transaction to me plus transactions to Chris. All checks were made to Chris Croft from me - all your transations were made to either me or Terry. If it was with me I have proof as I have stated before and they will be readily available soon - Terry never sent money to me only to Chris.

Let me know whatever else information you need - we have a lot of people moving on this and again I can't believe the amount of support many of you guys are providing on my behalf and the rest of the CEGers in this GB.

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#504052 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 08:15 PM

I just turned on CEG-PMs so if you don't want to email me PM me!!

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#504059 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/16/04 08:23 PM

Crofty59 sightings, just for giggles:

http://www.wicca.com/celtic/forums/view_user.php?id=917 (maybe he'll have dreams of a jail cell, just read his posts)

http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?TID=24159&PN=1

http://forums.audiworld.com/a4/msgs/1745904.phtml


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#504123 (Re: perry) 01/16/04 09:25 PM

Originally posted by perry:
Crofty59 sightings, just for giggles:

http://www.wicca.com/celtic/forums/view_user.php?id=917 (maybe he'll have dreams of a jail cell, just read his posts)





Can someone pass the pipe?

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#504166 (Re: bigMoneyRacing) 01/16/04 10:12 PM

I just noticed this quote on the Kaotic website:

IT WAS A NYCE CAR WHEN I GAVE IT TO KAOTIC... NOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT IS MY CAR... BUT I LIKE IT! -NYCEBOI

-Jonathan

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#504170 (Re: BlackSativa) 01/16/04 10:14 PM

um..and what's that supposed to mean?

I did create their website, I did trust them....

I'm not taking it down for purposes of the current situation - it does show that I did trust Chris and have confidence in his abilities. Among other things....

Lets keep this on topic

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#504171 (Re: BlackSativa) 01/16/04 10:16 PM

i think that quote is a year old...when he actually expected it to be finished

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#504172 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 10:16 PM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
lol yeah - um..i designed the site.. i should take it down or do you all want it up?




Take it down, replace it with your story.

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#504202 (Re: onosway) 01/16/04 10:54 PM

Nirish, i sent you a money order for 160 for shipping did you give it to them yet if not can you please send it back thanks. Richard Lempitski

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#504264 (Re: Ricksvt) 01/17/04 12:08 AM

Not to get 50 lawyers in on this or anything, but my brother is part owner of a mortgage company here and one of the other 2 owners is a pretty big time attorney in California... They talk almost everyday so I just have to say the word... If you need any assistance, feel free to PM me, if not I'll presume you have it under control...

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#504275 (Re: Y2KSVT) 01/17/04 12:21 AM

We are trying to get something together, but I have heard from 2 out of 19 people......guys please check your emails....you can reach me at kontact@KnuKonceptz.com or any other KnuKonceptz email addy, I scan them all.



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#504358 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/17/04 02:40 AM

Nirish is ya can send me that file that would be awesome,(Kajork20@yahoo.com) I dont blame you one bit bro. You tryed doing something for all of us and ended up worse off then everyone. Thanks for trying and hopefully we will get our money back. Man i was Sooooo looking forward to getting this dam hood


KnuKonceptz- i will email ya with ever you want man just email me and let me know what you need me to do.

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#504435 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/17/04 05:03 AM

I don't want to rub salt into the wound or anything but be careful about the lawyer you select. If he's some high profile big shot you could end up with a bill instead of a check.

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#504480 (Re: Sarge43) 01/17/04 06:10 AM

Originally posted by Sarge43:
I don't want to rub salt into the wound or anything but be careful about the lawyer you select. If he's some high profile big shot you could end up with a bill instead of a check.




I have a relative that is a lawyer, he does work at a high class law firm in Cleveland, if he cant help he can at least offer some advice.




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#504486 (Re: onosway) 01/17/04 06:27 AM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
I'm not mad that it's not done - I'm more mad that I was lied to by someone whom I trusted so much and someone who I considered to be a friend. I value trust over anything else - betrayed by anybody I will turn my back on them and never give them another chance.








Obviously he never considered you a friend. You were a source of income. It never ceases to amaze me how many people are like that

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#504510 (Re: Honkeytonk Monkey) 01/17/04 07:18 AM

I was not in on the group buy, but here's a few thoughts in no particular order (these are suggestions, NOT MEANT AS ACTIONABLE LEGAL ADVICE. Ask the REAL Cali attorney your substantive questions. (If you wanna assert malpractice against me for my comments being off base, then screw you for not getting a REAL california atty, so good luck with that on mitigation of damages issues if you pursue me):

#1 How many buyers got screwed? Might be enough to certify as a class for a class action.

#2 How much info does anyone have on Kaotic? Did they register with the state or county as a corporation or a partnership or a sole proprietorship? Who are the principals or partners or officers or owners? They are all targets. How are their business licenses held? Who are they on their work space lease? Ever hear of "piercing the corporate veil"? Being unable to pay their foreseeable debts after the company is run into the ground is often a factor allowing you to avoid corporate liability limitations and go sue/collect against the principals directly. [censored] them ALL. Hard, fast and 'til they bleed.

#3 What do they own? All of them. Even the "innocent" partners might be collection targets, with their recourse being against the creeps that they partnered up with. Hit one hard and watch the rest of the vermin scatter.

#4 Are your targets judgment proof? While they may appear to "own" assets, if those assets are hocked to the eyeballs as collateral on bank loans, then they may really "possess" a lot but really "own" nothing. They will try to hide their real "free and clear" owned assets as soon as they know you are coming. (There goes another car title now, deeded away to a stupid brother in law, selling the '63 Vette for $50, wink wink. Sue him too as a party to a fraudulent transfer.)

#5 Talk to a Cali attorney that knows collection law. I may be able to check out national collection publications like that of "The General Bar" or (CCLA?) commercial law leagues to get names addresses and phones for collection attys that are active in the county in which Oroville is located. There may be a few to choose from. But maybe they are already hired on behalf of OTHER creditors to go after the same deadbeat creeps.

#6 What proof of fraud can you guys develop? Might be pretty possible here. Why is that important? Being able to PROVE FRAUD might give advantages of PREVENTING the bad entity/bad guys from getting a discharge of debts owed to you via chapter 7 bankruptcy. And you might be able to seek civil punitive damages if they don't scurry into banko court right away.

#7 Don't let these [censored] rats hide their assets from you and DON'T publicly telegraph your punches to the creeps all over these boards once you DO have an attorney to go after them.

#8 Get ahold of the Cali AGs office. Yesterday. Or sooner.

#9 You guys may have to organize to scrape up a retainer for an attorney's costs and time to get started on this. Who's pissed enough to come up with the court filing fees and summons service fees? You gonna pay the attorney a percentage of the recovery or hire him on an hourly basis or a hybrid? Those topics WILL come up.

I may post more musings on this mess as other thoughts pop into mind.

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#504636 (Re: PDXSVT) 01/17/04 05:03 PM

Whats up with taking down the contour pic's on the kaotic website, and also the whole contour bulk buy page that showed everyone who paid and for how much? Dont you controll that web page nirch?

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#504710 (Re: Doug Christman) 01/17/04 07:36 PM

it's back up..sorry.... i was taking down the page but stopped and forgot to restore it - i put it back up as it was (I created the entire site last summer so I'm not changing the language on it - I was honestly motivated and excited to help this company...you finish how this sentence ends)

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#504998 (Re: onosway) 01/18/04 04:56 AM

Nyceboi and i are working ot the finishing of the car...The bumpers are the first ones out along with the side.

As for the kits, there is talk about a lawsuit. I hope that you do not do that as we have already sent out four of the kits and are working on the list at large. If you want a refund then I will get one to you as I can allocate the money. Also no one has stated why this is taking so long. It is b/c I have not been at the shop. I do have personal problems and my family is my first priority. I can not stop you from sueing but if you do then I am sorry. There have been those of you that stuck by my side and I will stick this through, but be fore warned if not given the a break here, I will not have any other choice than to shut down the business completely. I am just a body guy that wanted to start something. The business part is not my fortey. I am no scam artist. I will try to have all kits out by the end of next month. that is all I can say.

Also for my religion and hobbies they are mine, why do you got to bring it up.


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Making it all look good one car at a time

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#505008 (Re: Crofty59) 01/18/04 05:08 AM

No, we all knew he was getting it done for free. Thats how these things work.

Who were the kits shipped out too????
How come no ones posted????
How about just give us a definate date when we will all have our kits and hoods. I know you have a family life, but this deal has been sour from the get go. I would still love to have my kit, but we need to get this all over and done with in my opinion.

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#505013 (Re: BK4293) 01/18/04 05:15 AM

I do not have all the names in front of me but i do remember mike's name, and matt. As for this being sour from the begining I agree. On both sides. I was told to 35 kits and lowered the price to get it going and have only been paid for 16......So with that being said I would hold off on the law suits i am getting these kits done. there are only two of us here...

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Nate S
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#505046 (Re: Crofty59) 01/18/04 06:02 AM

so, if this is all true and if you were having family problems, why did you completely lie to nyceboi about his car? why didnt you bother providing anyone with an update? it takes literally one minute to post on here. these people paid you to make their kits, and because they PAID you, you should let them know what's going on. to completely LIE to someone like that is horrible. you should be ashamed of yourself.

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#505080 (Re: Crofty59) 01/18/04 06:59 AM

Give me a break .

Originally posted by Crofty59:
I will not have any other choice than to shut down the business completely.




You call this running a business. I don't see any reason why anybody would or should believe anything anymore.


08/11/03 2:47AM GB Thread, tom speaking about a similar incident regarding Kaotic with the Probe guys:
Originally posted by tom10167:
...Tony Novello and Christopher Crofty(Owners of Kaotic, along with Christopher's wife.) don't even have a business license to sell...




01/15/04 This Thread,
Originally posted by nyceboi:
I start talking to Tony, i'm not mad at Tony nor do I have any kind of negative feelings towards him - the SVT was not his project. I tell Tony what Chris told me and he can't believe that I was lied to like that.




11/04/03 4:36PM GB Thread, tnovello (Tony Novello?)
Originally posted by tnovello:
Were hoping to get at least 2 kits out a week till everyone that has paid in full has recived there kits.




How can Tony not believe you were lied to?

Really, enough is enough.

GB THREAD





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#505083 (Re: Crofty59) 01/18/04 07:06 AM

i hardly think too many here would cry if u had to shut down...as far as how these customers were treated and the fact that u never seem to be open, it looks like u're shutdown anyway...and if theres only 2 of u, tough...dont take on work...from multiple sites it seems now, that u cant handle

and to the ceg'ers...get it together and figure a way to get your money back before they file bankruptcy...although i dont know whether a bk will stop a judgement for payment, im sure kaotic will try just that to keep from refunding



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#505110 (Re: Crofty59) 01/18/04 07:52 AM

Honestly guys, all these threats arent getting anyone anywhere.
Chris, will the kits and hoods, since I'm waiting for both, be finished and if so when?
I don't think any of us really want to go through all this, but I know somethings gotta happen.
Personal opinion....Get everything done quickly and correctly, send it out and we're outta you're hair.
Hell, if you really want to be rid of us I'm sure someone around here will even buy the molds from you so we can keep the kits in production.
Bottom line is we need to know whats going on. I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but to be honest, I'd rather just get what I paid for and I'm sure theres more that feel the same way I do.

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#505154 (Re: Nate S) 01/18/04 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Nate S:
so, if this is all true and if you were having family problems, why did you completely lie to nyceboi about his car?




thats what I'm saying.

I'd be pissed about the kits not being done, sh!t happens...

But how you did nyceboi was straight up grimey and triflin...how can you sit there and LIE to him about his car being finished. How the f!ck is he supposed to pick up an unfinished car?

If its anyone here that deserves a kit first its him...who the hell else would let u keep their car for 15 months? I sure as hell wouldn't...how can the damn donor car not be finished but your shipping kits out to OTHER people??? what the f!ck is that...come on man u gotta get it together.

Family problems is cool, thats understandable...flat out lying to somehow and taking him on a bullsh!t ride is not cool in any f!ckin way because that takes it from a business point of view to a personal one.

15 months and a donor car to work on as u wish...I think you owe him a little more than a body kit.

And if there are only two people...why the hell are you taking on multiple tasks?? How can you start one project when you haven't even finished the other? Ridiculous...

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KnuKonceptz
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#505232 (Re: BK4293) 01/18/04 03:40 PM

Originally posted by bk4293:
Honestly guys, all these threats arent getting anyone anywhere.




As stated before, who received these 3 or 4 kits? We all just want what we paid for. Legal action is something neither side wants, results are.

As for the 34 who paid a deposit and the 18 that have paid in full plus shipping. I agree, 34 kits is a lot better for you, but you also have to remember how long it took you guys to make the second option for the rear bumper. We did not get that option till the end of June 2003. And so far no one has opted for that bumper! So all that extra time spent on a second rear was wasted and caused a loss of interest.

IIRC you did get to keep those deposits from the other 14-15 people. Which from a business stand point is the right thing. Someone wants to buy a custom item, pays a deposit and that is not refundable. thats all fine. So while you did not get a full $650 on those kits, you instead got a free $100-$150. That $$$ is free and clear to you, you have no material costs, no labor cost while making a kit. That money can be put toward your tooling costs you incur.

Bottom line is we do not want any more lies, we do not want weeks of silence. We did pay you the amount requested for the service you offer. If you do not want to fulfill your part of the agreement start sending out refunds.




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#505263 (Re: IonNinja) 01/18/04 05:00 PM

Guys I am making kit and then "Giving the molds to another company that can handle the call for the contour. I did lie to Nirish about his car and I am not proud of it. I [censored] up and tried to take on to much thinking I could get it done. I know I did not handle the business or the customers right. I am not filing bankruptcy. I am trying to get everything in order to fullfill the gb and stop the madness. I am not trying to screw people here. As said I want the kits out within the next two months for all. That is all I have to offer. I have nothing else. I just thought I could help in the begining and then It became to much. Once again I am trying to right a wrong .

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#505359 (Re: IonNinja) 01/18/04 07:09 PM

edit.

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Edited by Nate S (01/18/04 07:11 PM)

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#505367 (Re: Nate S) 01/18/04 07:18 PM

Crofty59 tell me in plan engligh. I ordered just the hoodwith the scoop(your shiping it with Bk4293s stuff) and now i hear its not going to happen. If this is so i want my money back thats all. And when can i get my money back($350). If you decide the hood is going to be made then were all good if not please just give me back my $350.


Paypal address is Kajork20@yahoo.com in case your refunding people.

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Everyone: Why?
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#505395 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/18/04 08:15 PM

Guys once again i want to apologize for this. I do not want to go down as a deadbeat. I will fulfill the orders and then I will close the shop. That is what is best, for all people. The hood is being made. The 34 kits is not the issue. I wanted to do something in the industry that would make mouths drop. That is why i wanted the contour. One thing led to another and i just backed up. I will tell you now that Julio Patino and Doug Christman the next kits out.

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#505402 (Re: Crofty59) 01/18/04 08:30 PM

So you are going to make the Hood with the Scoop on it right right?

Btw thanks for starting to post again and letting us know whats going on. Hopefully everything will work out.

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#505428 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/18/04 09:00 PM

Take out a loan and give these guys their money back!
or give the mold to EXTREME DIMENTIONS in califronia.
Pay them the money in full,so they can get the kits out.
This company made my kit in 6 months!This would be an
easy fix to this problem.No legal action and alot of
happy people here.




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#505435 (Re: outkast) 01/18/04 09:17 PM

extreme dimensions will also have spares if you should
get into an accident.Kaotic won,t be around to supply
you with parts.

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#505440 (Re: outkast) 01/18/04 09:29 PM

Iam not invloved in GB but ......

Sounds like someone is covering there ass in order to hide assets from a potential suit.

Re-read the last few pages of posts and read about the Dodge Stratus guys waiting 2yrs for a hood that they have paid for and nothing has been delivered. They are told to be patient.

Unless you see a scan of the original shipping docs to said person I would not beleive any of these kits are on there way. NYCEboi was there last week and saw no kits being produced or laying around, now, 1 week later you hear 4 kits have shipped?


I think the money went into a Hemi Ram and a new Bass boat, that or a personal pyschiatrist to help with the delusional thoughts and habitual lieing.


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#505443 (Re: Fmr12B) 01/18/04 09:35 PM

yeah, prove us wrong. lets see the shipping documents. now.

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#505445 (Re: Fmr12B) 01/18/04 09:39 PM

You said these were already shipping out 2 per week.

That was a lie.

You said Nyceboi's 'Tour was done and at the paint shop.

That was a lie.

You said countless other things.

All were a lie.

And now you say you're really going to ship out 2 a week.

.... Ever heard the saying "Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me"?

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#505483 (Re: sigma) 01/18/04 10:52 PM

Peter Lim...5011241965
Mike Rohn...5011241947
Matt's front
and there is one more that i don't have around yet.

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#505490 (Re: Crofty59) 01/18/04 10:57 PM

What trucking company do you use?



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#505494 (Re: Crofty59) 01/18/04 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Crofty59:
I will tell you now that Julio Patino and Doug Christman the next kits out.




WTF! How do #4 and #8 on the list ship??? Shouldnt #4 and #5 ship?? I know I didnt get my kit and I am #7

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#505516 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/18/04 11:52 PM

www.myyellow.com...and that was the order in which i had it written down.

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#505529 (Re: Crofty59) 01/19/04 12:11 AM

501124196 November 19, 2003 November 11, 2003 Baltimore, MD Baltimore, MD Delivered to customer



501124194 November 13, 2003 November 06, 2003 Detroit, MI Detroit, MI Delivered to customer

Thats from Yellows website

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#505534 (Re: BK4293) 01/19/04 12:13 AM

And that web site is http://www.myyellow.com if you want to check tracking numbers through them.

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#505535 (Re: BK4293) 01/19/04 12:15 AM

baltimore,maryland went to me!Thats the xtreme kit
your talking about!Not kaotic!

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#505546 (Re: outkast) 01/19/04 12:30 AM

Peter Lim...5011241965 is Svt St Pete and i just Pmed him as well as makeing a post in his section. If i find out that he didnt get his kit and that we were Lied to again then i just want my money back Chris.

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#505552 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/19/04 12:38 AM

I smell something

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#505554 (Re: Thinkmoto) 01/19/04 12:38 AM

I'm happy I just went with the SVT kit. This guy needs a good ass kickin.

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#505557 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/19/04 12:44 AM

If SVT ST PETE did get his stuff he never once posted anything about it. I checked his posts and while there's a lot of them, there's nothing about any kit in the last 3 months.

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#505570 (Re: Thinkmoto) 01/19/04 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Thinkmoto:
I smell something




Ya think Pete recieved a big box from a company called Kaotic Innovations and just forgot to open it???

Chris man, it looks like your digging yourself deeper into a hole man. According to that two kits were delivered in November....Ya think both people forgot to mention what they got in the mail?

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#505574 (Re: BK4293) 01/19/04 01:00 AM

and if he actually got his kit, why is it that he has never replyed to this thread? and i doubt he didnt see this thread- he's a [censored] moderator.

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#505578 (Re: Nate S) 01/19/04 01:02 AM

Maybe he got his kit and was so excited after he got it on he just hopped in his car and kept driving and driving and driving and...oh nevermind.

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#505602 (Re: Freakshow) 01/19/04 01:25 AM

Hey the tracking number says it all it was deleivered to Advanced paint technologies in Ypsilanti, MI. Peter lims was sent to Rockville MD.....what else can i give you to show that they shipped out. The tracking number should say who it was sent to and when.......as for proof ask the two guys on the board, I don't know their board names.

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#505607 (Re: sigma) 01/19/04 01:31 AM

Originally posted by sigma:
.... Ever heard the saying "Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me"?




exactly...

i'm not left with much to work with Chris. if i leave my car there i can just imagine you closing shop and i never finding my car again...

flat out i don't trust you anymore and therefore will never again. your only option is to get your tools in your car drive down to my town and work out of a garage of my choosing - finish the car to fulfill your obligation to my me and my car and the rest of CEG.

if you can't finish my car in two weeks then forget it - you've had more than enough time. put the other kits on HOLD and finish my car IMMEDIATLEY.

two weeks is reasonable time - Tony said it would take 4 days for him to finish the body work - you're more experienced then him so I imagine it would take you less time. Paint will take about the same or less.

after that finish the kits for CEG.

I want that car in Import Motion Feb 7. If you can't I will drop the car @ a body shop that can - you can go there and get the apprasial for the work and comp me.



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#505608 (Re: Crofty59) 01/19/04 01:31 AM

Originally posted by Crofty59:
Hey the tracking number says it all it was deleivered to Advanced paint technologies in Ypsilanti, MI. Peter lims was sent to Rockville MD.....what else can i give you to show that they shipped out. The tracking number should say who it was sent to and when.......as for proof ask the two guys on the board, I don't know their board names.




All the tracking number says is that something got shipped out. What that something is nobody knows but you and whoever recieved the package. I still smell something and the stench is getting strong.If you did ship these kits out you would have copies of the shipping papers saying how many boxes went out and weights etc. With all the lying you've done in the past I don't believe you for a second.

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#505627 (Re: BK4293) 01/19/04 01:50 AM

Originally posted by bk4293:
501124196 November 19, 2003 November 11, 2003 Baltimore, MD Baltimore, MD Delivered to customer
Thats from Yellows website




Notice Petes last post on the 17th.




Now if the kit did go out and petes got it or didnt get the notice that Yellows got for some reason then im sorry for being an ass but you brought it on yourself by lieing once to us more then once.

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#505630 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/19/04 02:01 AM

school starts next week - so basically you have this week to finish the car. I'm off Monday - Thursday.

IT'S GO TIME

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#505711 (Re: onosway) 01/19/04 03:27 AM

I just want to make things clear.My kit was shipped from
california at the same time as SVT PETE.I,am the only one
from CEG living in baltimore who ordered a kit.All other
capitol CEG members live outside of baltimore.My kit
was shipped by statewide trucking and was made by extreme.
If the kaotic kit was sent to me, I would of kept it and sent SVT pete the extreme kit



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#505741 (Re: onosway) 01/19/04 04:09 AM

when, and if i get my kit i will post right after. If not kaotic already knows what im going to do to them. Im basically split both ways, i want my kit or my money back. I also, as a very good friend to nirish i want his car finished. I have already warned you and you already know what is going to happen if i dont get my stuff. But im giving you the benefit of a doubt and give you a week and a half, which is 2 weeks from the day that you called me. I expect a traking number with it showing that the kit has been shipped. Some pictures before shipping would also help out alot. And finally, chris im sorry we all had to go through this and i know you have a lot of [censored] going through your head. Im trully sorry about your wife and hope she gets better. You should really think about bringin her to houston where our hospitals are getting rid of cancer better than anyone. But you must also finish what you started.

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#505742 (Re: onosway) 01/19/04 04:09 AM

and also it would help out alot if you or someone answered the phone at the shop every once in a while.

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#505759 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/19/04 04:33 AM

I'm sorry guys for not having posted regarding the GB.

I only check a couple forums regularly (Capitol CEG and Aesthetics).

To start off, Yes, I did receive my kit in late November.

I am going to give you my honest opinion on this guys. As anyone in Capitol CEG will tell you, I tell it like it is.

~ The kit is well below average in worksmanship and quality
Cofty, why aren't the kits being molded by a company? Why are you hand making every single kit?
My kit looks like you molded it together and took a utility knife and sawzall to it to cut it out. I'm going to have to spend extra money to have a shop fill these excessive cuts. What should be straight lines look like waves because it was cut by hand.
On the front bumper, it looks like you cracked or broke it and instead of fixing it, you just sanded it down and made it smooth. It leaves a big gap and I have to get a shop to fix that.

~ We were told that these body kits would be "direct bolt on" - false.
Why aren't these kits direct bolt on?
1. The rear bumper bolts on yes. But there are no holes and moutning points for it to mount to the body of the car next to the wheels. It will require more money and fabrication to get the rear bumper mounted.

2. The side skirts are ridiculous and a joke. They don't bolt on. You will have to drill them onto your door sills. They also stick out about 3 inches away from the car and look like running boards. This is a car - not an SUV.

I can't believe the condition my kit arrived in. It's pathetic. If you ship out any more kits that look anything like mine, you guys are doing a real hack job on these kits and ripping people off.

Considering the time it has taken for this kit to be produced, I would expect a top-notch, high quality, direct bolt-on kit.

This kit was not worth the almost 2 years and $750+ I paid for it. I regret it without a doubt.

PS - I will take and post pics if anyone wants to see the "workmanship".

EDIT: Pics taken in the dark (sorry):



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#505761 (Re: GTO Pete) 01/19/04 04:34 AM

And the plot thickens.....

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#505766 (Re: sigma) 01/19/04 04:38 AM

lets see the pics

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#505770 (Re: outkast) 01/19/04 04:43 AM

Originally posted by outkast:
I just want to make things clear.My kit was shipped from
california at the same time as SVT PETE.I,am the only one
from CEG living in baltimore who ordered a kit.All other
capitol CEG members live outside of baltimore.My kit
was shipped by statewide trucking and was made by extreme.
If the kaotic kit was sent to me, I would of kept it and sent SVT pete the extreme kit






your posts confuse me..lol

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#505792 (Re: onosway) 01/19/04 05:19 AM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
Originally posted by outkast:
I just want to make things clear.My kit was shipped from
california at the same time as SVT PETE.I,am the only one
from CEG living in baltimore who ordered a kit.All other
capitol CEG members live outside of baltimore.My kit
was shipped by statewide trucking and was made by extreme.
If the kaotic kit was sent to me, I would of kept it and sent SVT pete the extreme kit






your posts confuse me..lol




hes saying that he received a kit

BUT the kit he received was made by another company NOT Kaotic...

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#505796 (Re: GTO Pete) 01/19/04 05:25 AM

Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
I'm sorry guys for not having posted regarding the GB.

I only check a couple forums regularly (Capitol CEG and Aesthetics).

To start off, Yes, I did receive my kit in late November.

I am going to give you my honest opinion on this guys. As anyone in Capitol CEG will tell you, I tell it like it is.

~ The kit is well below average in worksmanship and quality
Cofty, why aren't the kits being molded by a company? Why are you hand making every single kit?
My kit looks like you molded it together and took a utility knife and sawzall to it to cut it out. I'm going to have to spend extra money to have a shop fill these excessive cuts. What should be straight lines look like waves because it was cut by hand.
On the front bumper, it looks like you cracked or broke it and instead of fixing it, you just sanded it down and made it smooth. It leaves a big gap and I have to get a shop to fix that.

~ We were told that these body kits would be "direct bolt on" - false.
Why aren't these kits direct bolt on?
1. The rear bumper bolts on yes. But there are no holes and moutning points for it to mount to the body of the car next to the wheels. It will require more money and fabrication to get the rear bumper mounted.

2. The side skirts are ridiculous and a joke. They don't bolt on. You will have to drill them onto your door sills. They also stick out about 3 inches away from the car and look like running boards. This is a car - not an SUV.

I can't believe the condition my kit arrived in. It's pathetic. If you ship out any more kits that look anything like mine, you guys are doing a real hack job on these kits and ripping people off.

Considering the time it has taken for this kit to be produced, I would expect a top-notch, high quality, direct bolt-on kit.

This kit was not worth the almost 2 years and $750+ I paid for it. I regret it without a doubt.

PS - I will take and post pics if anyone wants to see the "workmanship".




Just Fuggin great! What the hell is going on! I am thinking I just want my money back and ill go with something else! Seriously I didnt pay $750+ and waited who knows how long for crap!

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#505816 (Re: GTO Pete) 01/19/04 05:45 AM

Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:


To start off, Yes, I did receive my kit in late November.

I am going to give you my honest opinion on this guys. As anyone in Capitol CEG will tell you, I tell it like it is.

~ The kit is well below average in worksmanship and quality





I liked it better when no one had a kit



Edit - are these made out of Fiberglass or urethane?



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#505853 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/19/04 06:31 AM

Originally posted by KnuKonceptz:



Edit - are these made out of Fiberglass or urethane?






Glass

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#505861 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/19/04 07:00 AM

fiberglass, just as advertised, contrary to petes experience my body guy was pretty happy in general with the craftsmanship of the bumper, it took him longer to prep it than he first had thought but he did tell me every glass kit he'd worked on basically went the same way so there was nothing anymore negative about mine than the next, and the fitment was very very good as he put it, i tend to agree... while i do have my doubts because of everything that's gone on here, the product was as described. and we cant ask for anything more than that. bottom line, i am happy with my bumper.

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#505865 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/19/04 07:06 AM

I can't even tell what the second picture is... What body piece is that? Looks like it was put through a crash test and then sent out... Thank God I didn't get into this group buy! Sorry about everyone's luck...

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BK4293
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#505880 (Re: Y2KSVT) 01/19/04 07:28 AM

This is better than Days Of Our Lives...

It's like playing Clue with money

It was colonel Musturd dammit!!!!!

Alright Chris here's your chance to save face in this matter as discussed. Can the rest of us get quality kits fast???????????

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#505931 (Re: BK4293) 01/19/04 09:26 AM

These Kits are made of fiberglass.. each piece is hand laid.. as done by 90% of the companies on the market.. our kits do fit better than 90% of other companies if you have never installed a kit before it would be best if a qualified body shop did it.. Direct bolt on kits never go on exactly how a stock bumper does.. sorry that's the difference between fiberglass and stock..

You're kits will ship as soon as we can get them done.. we are working to get them shipped asap.. Kaotic is done excepting new orders.. All current orders will be fullfilled but that is all.

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#505988 (Re: tnovello) 01/19/04 02:19 PM

Originally posted by tnovello:
These Kits are made of fiberglass.. each piece is hand laid.. as done by 90% of the companies on the market.. our kits do fit better than 90% of other companies if you have never installed a kit before it would be best if a qualified body shop did it.. Direct bolt on kits never go on exactly how a stock bumper does.. sorry that's the difference between fiberglass and stock..

You're kits will ship as soon as we can get them done.. we are working to get them shipped asap.. Kaotic is done excepting new orders.. All current orders will be fullfilled but that is all.




What are you going to do with the molds then???

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#505991 (Re: tnovello) 01/19/04 02:27 PM

"Direct bolt on kits never go on exactly how a stock bumper does.." Do all of the 98+ Contours have different stock mounting locations?? Maybe in an effort to "spice things up" Ford elected to make each 98+ Contour different to thwart would be body kit manufacturers. Sounds like the 2 years of waiting was not well spent making these kits work on a car they were specificallly designed for. Based on the posts do far, the only pieces that have been fitted to a car were installed by a body shop, both indicate they will require custom fabrication to have them installed.

I can't believe this GB. I was going to be in this GB but decided I might sell the Contour for a new toy instead. I since bought a '03 miata, a car for which various body kits exist of varying levels of complexity. I have yet to see anyone experiance the delays, frustration and dissapointment I have heard with your kits.

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#506176 (Re: MAZDASPEED) 01/19/04 07:19 PM

The molds are being given to another company that can keep up with the demand. Along with other molds. The kit fits great, as for the headlight gap: its b/c the urethane is thick and the glass is not. Remedy put 3m two-way tape under the front. The parts are stronger than most bodykits out on the market. It is double layered and reinforced mounting. the vents are hand cut and extra left for the bodyshop to finish. All of our parts are hand done from start to finish. That is how most of the kits on the martket are. The only different is we produce inthe us and they produce in Asian countries. The quality of kits are good and strong. Installation is simple the body work should be left to professional. Its simple.


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#506190 (Re: Crofty59) 01/19/04 07:55 PM

I will attest to the quality and strength - i'm not here to knock that. If you've read any or my prior accounts at the shop Chris has jumped on hoods, bent body kits and stood on them as if a table without damage.

I'm here because of how the business was run and how my car and I were handled by Chris/Kaotic. It was in the interest of everybody in the group buy to know exactly what transpired from October till now.

**** as for my car...

Chris and I have agreed to see the project through on the terms that the car will be worked on in my town at a garage of my choosing. I will be giving updates as necessary.

Once the location of the car is set I want CHRIS to give updates as well along with his COMPLETION DATE that I will hold him to with everyone here as my witness.

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#506261 (Re: GTO Pete) 01/19/04 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Crofty59:
Installation is simple the body work should be left to professional. Its simple.



Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
~ We were told that these body kits would be "direct bolt on" - false.
Why aren't these kits direct bolt on?
1. The rear bumper bolts on yes. But there are no holes and moutning points for it to mount to the body of the car next to the wheels. It will require more money and fabrication to get the rear bumper mounted.





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#506296 (Re: GTO Pete) 01/19/04 11:07 PM

Hey Crofty, I just wanted to ask if the widebody is still getting shipped along with my kit as planned. Thanks for all of the new updates.

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#506337 (Re: GTO Pete) 01/20/04 12:07 AM


Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
~ We were told that these body kits would be "direct bolt on" - false.
Why aren't these kits direct bolt on?
1. The rear bumper bolts on yes. But there are no holes and moutning points for it to mount to the body of the car next to the wheels. It will require more money and fabrication to get the rear bumper mounted.








The parts are direct bolt on.. the kit should have come with self taping screws.. that is how the front of the rear bumper is to be attached.. the style of the mounts that ford used can not be made out of fiberglass. that is something that happens when aftermarket parts are made.. We were the only company to even attempt a full replacement rear bumper for the contour. Unfortunetly there are reasons why no one has done it before.. the parts fit fine and no rearl Fabrications are necessary to put the back bumper on..

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#506343 (Re: tnovello) 01/20/04 12:19 AM

tnovello, when do u expect the pre 98 kit to start production?

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#506370 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/20/04 12:50 AM

Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
tnovello, when do u expect the pre 98 kit to start production?




I think your SOL bro

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#506375 (Re: Livinsvt) 01/20/04 12:53 AM

Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
tnovello, when do u expect the pre 98 kit to start production?




I think your SOL bro




I think he was being terribly sarcastic!

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#506420 (Re: tnovello) 01/20/04 01:56 AM

Originally posted by tnovello:


The parts are direct bolt on.. the kit should have come with self taping screws.. that is how the front of the rear bumper is to be attached.. the style of the mounts that ford used can not be made out of fiberglass. that is something that happens when aftermarket parts are made.. We were the only company to even attempt a full replacement rear bumper for the contour. Unfortunetly there are reasons why no one has done it before.. the parts fit fine and no rearl Fabrications are necessary to put the back bumper on..




Ok, now you guys lost me. Do these bolt over the exsisting bumper with self taping screws from the front??? I was under the impression these replace the factory bumpers covers.

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#506422 (Re: tnovello) 01/20/04 01:57 AM

Originally posted by tnovello:

Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
~ We were told that these body kits would be "direct bolt on" - false.
Why aren't these kits direct bolt on?
1. The rear bumper bolts on yes. But there are no holes and moutning points for it to mount to the body of the car next to the wheels. It will require more money and fabrication to get the rear bumper mounted.








The parts are direct bolt on.. the kit should have come with self taping screws.. that is how the front of the rear bumper is to be attached.. the style of the mounts that ford used can not be made out of fiberglass. that is something that happens when aftermarket parts are made.. We were the only company to even attempt a full replacement rear bumper for the contour. Unfortunetly there are reasons why no one has done it before.. the parts fit fine and no rearl Fabrications are necessary to put the back bumper on..



I received no screws or bolts to mount any of the kit...
The instructions give no indication of how to mount the rear bumper. So are you saying to mount the rear, you must drill through the bumper itself to keep the sides of the rear bumper from flapping around??

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#506428 (Re: GTO Pete) 01/20/04 02:01 AM

Whata friggin joke

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#506448 (Re: Thinkmoto) 01/20/04 02:23 AM

with all due respect, you guys are being frickin retarded here, wings west, to my knowledge, is the only company that replicates factory fasteners, andys autosports might. this is how most aftermarket kits go on. they screw, they bondo, they clamp. there is no TRUE bolt on body kit, every one of em needs a fair ammount of work to get lookin good, then they need a good body guy to spray them so the paint sticks and goes down well. i would urge any of you bitching to take your kits to a quality body shop and cry to them about the lack of fasteners. my buddys xenon body kit (big name, lots of circulation) for his neon was held on the sides by friggin c-clamps!

THESE ARE NOT FORD BUMPERS, they arent abs, they dont have 235203579823507 man hours of friggin engineering.

and they are bolt on, i used 4 of my front factory screw mounting points to put mine on so

<breather>

those of you who thought these things would show up abs plastic black in a box from ford with 6 facny little fasteners are smoking dope, this isnt their fault. there's a lot to fault them for, this isnt it. quit bitching about EVERYTHING. [censored] about the service, thats what stinks. stick to the facts and jump off the crybaby crap.

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Re: KAOTIC BUYERS - Update w/ my opinion new
#506568 (Re: Speed Demon) 01/20/04 04:30 AM

Originally posted by Speed Demon:
with all due respect, you guys are being frickin retarded here,

THESE ARE NOT FORD BUMPERS, they arent abs, they dont have 235203579823507 man hours of friggin engineering.

and they are bolt on, i used 4 of my front factory screw mounting points to put mine on so

<breather>






If this was directed towards me:

I see this picture


Looks all good.

Then I hear they come with 4 self taping screws, maybe you havent seen the kit available for the avenger that the SCREWS ARE ON THE OUTSIDE. Thats why I asked if these are just covers that go on over the current bumper. (like the one sheap'n sh!tty contour kit that bolts to the exsisting cover) WHY did I ask?? Well cuz this is actually going on my 95, I have 98+ HID kit and a 98+ CF hood on order so if the kit I waited on for 2 years requires a 98+ bumper to be screwed to them I am hosed!!!

I do not expect to get a box, wet sand, paint and install. I am quite sure no one makes a product this way.

BTW I have never seen any of Kaotic Products and have not bashed their workmanship, how can I???

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#506642 (Re: Speed Demon) 01/20/04 05:46 AM

Originally posted by Speed Demon:
they dont have 235203579823507 man hours of friggin engineering.




isnt that how many hours there are in 2 years?

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#506873 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/20/04 03:11 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The bumpers and sideskirts are full replacements. The are screwed and bolted from the inside of the bumper so no mounting can be seen. In the box there should be replacement bolts, 18 self taping screws. The front gets one in each corner, and uses the push tabs under the headlights. The sides get one on the front and rear sillplates, and two in each corner. The rear gets one one each corner and one on each side where the tabs are. The rear also uses 4 replacement bolts for the subbumper/exhaust hangers. You use the stock nuts to connect them. A person with little mechanical skill should be able to put this kit on in 2 hrs, provided they can get the damn screwws to catch the metal with out slipping off the drill(sorry bout that matt). Nirish's front and rear took me about an hour and a half to align and bolt on. The sides took all of ten minutes each. Just to let you know all kits will be out by next month, and as it seems another company will have available bodykits to sell to the open market. After the molds are deleivered I will post the details. Thank you.

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#506897 (Re: Crofty59) 01/20/04 03:49 PM

Thank you, that is what I thought.

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#506898 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/20/04 03:53 PM



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#506922 (Re: Crofty59) 01/20/04 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Crofty59:
and as it seems another company will have available bodykits to sell to the open market. After the molds are deleivered I will post the details. Thank you.




sell the mold to krazykustomz.com. Craig Flango is one of co-owners i believe and also owns a contour. He might be interested in this.

And to those who ordered a Pre 98 kit including myself, we better receive a full refund!

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#507213 (Re: Crofty59) 01/20/04 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Crofty59:
In the box there should be replacement bolts, 18 self taping screws.



Crofty,
I received no bolts or screws. Can you please ship those out to me?
Thanks.

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#507262 (Re: Crofty59) 01/20/04 10:38 PM

Hey, Crofty sorry but since mine is the next kit to be shipped I am very curious if you are still sending me the widebody with it. Or just my kit and a refund for the widebody?

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#507299 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/20/04 11:25 PM

Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:

sell the mold to krazykustomz.com. Craig Flango is one of co-owners i believe and also owns a contour. He might be interested in this.

And to those who ordered a Pre 98 kit including myself, we better receive a full refund!




quote=MapOfTaziFoSho]
Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
tnovello, when do u expect the pre 98 kit to start production?




I think your SOL bro




I think he was being terribly sarcastic!





To Mapoftawhatever why do you even bother to post

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#507355 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/21/04 12:30 AM

Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:


sell the mold to krazykustomz.com. Craig Flango is one of co-owners i believe and also owns a contour. He might be interested in this.





Craig owns a cougar, which was one of the first duratec engine to be kitted with the Street Flight turbo. Also he is heavily sponsored and a great guy. Not a bad cougar either.


I wonder if craig would be interested in this.

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#507378 (Re: GIT-R-DONE) 01/21/04 12:59 AM

Originally posted by FLCEGkid:

Craig owns a cougar, which was one of the first duratec engine to be kitted with the Street Flight turbo.




he also owns a purple pearl contour.

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#507383 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/21/04 01:11 AM

oh yeah i rememebr that one to, i got a pic of it somewhere, it had chrome rims and a black wing.

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#508308 (Re: GIT-R-DONE) 01/22/04 12:13 AM

Ladies and gentlemen:

I have found another shop that is willing to finish my car. They've been doing it for years and the owner is awesome and is coming by to check out my car in an hour. They are going to finish the body work and paint the car.

The shop is awesome and will remain unnamed until released. The do a lot of custom work - worked on McLaurens, Ferraris, Mercedes..etc. I called them up and told him my situation and the current condition of the car and he invited me to check out his shop and hung out with me for a while - he showed me his entire portfolio of cars worked on.

Too bad they don't do production stuff though but they're first rate with a reputation to boot.

Since it's $$ out of my empty pocket I'm going to have some extra stuff done with some vrrrmmm phsssss hopefully.

IF ANYBODY KNOWS CRAIG (orange cougar) see if he's willing to work out some sponsorships for me. Widebody, lambo doors, full sound system w/screens up the whazoo ($5000+!!! for that), hehe..yeah i'm going all out and in good spirits since this morning.

I hope everything else works out for you all. I will remain available to all of you till everyone is taken care of.

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#508332 (Re: onosway) 01/22/04 12:31 AM

good deal dude...best of luck to u

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#508516 (Re: gdub520) 01/22/04 03:59 AM

man - that's the worst english i've written recently... I sure didn't deserve that A in upper division English...lol.

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#508715 (Re: onosway) 01/22/04 10:24 AM

you mean Craig Flango?

http://www.krazykustomz.com/
Go there Nyceboi

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#508741 (Re: Thinkmoto) 01/22/04 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Thinkmoto:
you mean Craig Flango?

http://www.krazykustomz.com/
Go there Nyceboi




fixed your link:
KrazyKustomz

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#509219 (Re: ElKy) 01/22/04 11:42 PM

Originally posted by ElKy:
Originally posted by Thinkmoto:
you mean Craig Flango?

http://www.krazykustomz.com/
Go there Nyceboi




fixed your link:
KrazyKustomz




oops sorrry my bad...damn cold weather I'm friggin delirious

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#509277 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/23/04 12:49 AM

Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
Originally posted by Crofty59:
and as it seems another company will have available bodykits to sell to the open market. After the molds are deleivered I will post the details. Thank you.




sell the mold to krazykustomz.com. Craig Flango is one of co-owners i believe and also owns a contour. He might be interested in this.

And to those who ordered a Pre 98 kit including myself, we better receive a full refund!




a full refund for the pre-98 guys should be sent back right away since the kits are not getting made and there is no need to hold our money anymore. I can spend the $650 on repairs right about now...

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#509358 (Re: abwamo) 01/23/04 02:33 AM

pre98s - full refund
hoods - full refund
widebody - full refund
(if you paid me I do have record of your transaction (including all transaction numbers and even the envelope or original paypal reciept!) If you paid Terry Knight Jr. you will have to go through him)

From what I understand only the 4 piece is being made.

Sorry on the PDF delays guys - still working on it - I can fax your stuff just give me a fax number. Fax is not necessary since I will have the PDFs and my affidavit soon but if you need them right away let me know. I've been caught up with the car and allocating funds to get her finished - it's costing me a lot and I know Kaotic/Chris won't come through since they havn't made any initative to move on my car.

There are some potential sponsors as soon as she's painted - since last summer when it was supposed to be done I was calling companies but they all wanted pictures of the car. Of course I couldn't do that...

Any ways, Chris has never set a deadline he can keep (I have AIM logs and just out of curiosity I did a search for "two weeks" and variations.... yeah, he's notorious for that since you all know I used to tell you "oh two more weeks" since he was the one telling me all that info)

I hope it works out for everyone

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#509558 (Re: onosway) 01/23/04 05:55 AM

after looking at that krazykustomz website, the guy is definitely interested in creating body kits

u guys just gotta show him that the business is there...

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#509579 (Re: IonNinja) 01/23/04 06:13 AM

oh... and the molds....

they're going to Andy's Autosport (from what I was told by one of them).... not good


Andy's has horrible customer service and really screwed over some of the Cougar guys. Just do a search on CEG or the Cougar site... you'll see.



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#509722 (Re: onosway) 01/23/04 02:23 PM

OK WTF from what chris is saying the hoods are going being made and now Nirish is saying there not. Chris if your not gonna make the hoods then stop [censored] Bs me and give me my money back.

Nirish please send me the file asap. Can you email it to me. or send it Snail mail. I want everything i can get before my deadline of march.

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Re: KAOTIC BUYERS - Update w/ my opinion new
#510169 (Re: Livinsvt) 01/23/04 08:45 PM

Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:

sell the mold to krazykustomz.com. Craig Flango is one of co-owners i believe and also owns a contour. He might be interested in this.

And to those who ordered a Pre 98 kit including myself, we better receive a full refund!




Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
tnovello, when do u expect the pre 98 kit to start production?




I think your SOL bro




I think he was being terribly sarcastic!





To Mapoftawhatever why do you even bother to post




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#510199 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/23/04 09:10 PM

Unless if Chris got another hood to work on I don't see how they are going to be made. He took the hood scoop off my car for whatever reason and refinished to look stock. I'm having my new shop mold it back for me but I don't know about you guys.

Chris will probably inform you soon on exactly what is happening.

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#512949 (Re: onosway) 01/27/04 02:26 AM

1st.. Yes the Molds have been given to andy's autosport and they will be completeing the BB for you guys. Any questions and comments now need to be directed to them. They recieved the molds yesterday. www.andysautosport.com 1-800-419-1152

2.as of last week kaotic innovations no longer is a buisness. the phones have been turned off. we are no longer in the shop.

3. Yes Chris did obtain a hood from another source and will be making the hood. the refunds on the wide body will be sent out as soon as possible. I do not know when either will be competed you will have to speak to chris.

thanks
and have a nice day

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#513035 (Re: tnovello) 01/27/04 03:55 AM

Finaly some closure. Thanks for the update. I see they already have it on there website. I assume that they will not be doing the widebody. Was there ever a mold made for the fenders?

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#513153 (Re: Livinsvt) 01/27/04 05:57 AM

I wouldnt call it closure til my kits on my car.

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#513195 (Re: BK4293) 01/27/04 06:13 AM

So has anyone got these kits yet?
I IMed someone from the Krazy Kustons web site:

Quote:

Tjnovello (9:40:17 PM): the c27 has been done.
Tjnovello (9:40:24 PM): they are shipping out
Tjnovello (9:40:47 PM): all orders will be filled shortly




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#513212 (Re: auiotour) 01/27/04 06:33 AM

Has anyone contacted Andys yet to find out exactly what is going on? Perhaps so THEY can begin to give us some info on delivery dates and whats happening with our deposits?

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#513224 (Re: EuroTour) 01/27/04 07:00 AM

I dropped them an email, we'll hope to hear from them tomorrow



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#513230 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 01/27/04 07:16 AM

Yeah that's it.. bug the [censored] out of andy's a day after they get the molds wondering what the date will be when 17 kits are getting shipped.. you guys wonder why your aftermarket sucks.. no one wants to put up with it.. i know that is the main reason why chris and i only updated once in a while.. be happy your getting aftermarket support.. you haven't been waiting a year for the kit from andy's.. you have to start over with them.. it's day one.. new people no problems so far.. remember that and it'll help make things go smoothly. I know andy's will make good..

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#513321 (Re: tnovello) 01/27/04 01:53 PM

Originally posted by tnovello:
Yeah that's it.. bug the [censored] out of andy's a day after they get the molds wondering what the date will be when 17 kits are getting shipped.. you guys wonder why your aftermarket sucks.. no one wants to put up with it.. i know that is the main reason why chris and i only updated once in a while.. be happy your getting aftermarket support.. you haven't been waiting a year for the kit from andy's.. you have to start over with them.. it's day one.. new people no problems so far.. remember that and it'll help make things go smoothly. I know andy's will make good..




Dude, your an @sshole! Why is it that everything gets blamed on Chris, but he was pretty cool about the whole thing and very apologetic for all thats happened?
You say it was Chris' project but you come on here bad mouthing us. Your company accepted the job, what are you so pi$$ed about?
We were happier than sh!t just wanting bodykits, you guys wanted to take it farther, we agreed.
Man, there's no reason to take it out on us because we had a dream of actually starting an aftermarket for a car that had none. You've never had a dream???
Dude, it's been longer than a year. I sent in myu final payment in August of 2002 and I was one of the last ones because of cash issues. You can continue on your throne of self rightousness, I juat want what I paid for.

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#513433 (Re: tnovello) 01/27/04 04:38 PM

Originally posted by tnovello:
Yeah that's it.. bug the [censored] out of andy's a day after they get the molds wondering what the date will be when 17 kits are getting shipped.. you guys wonder why your aftermarket sucks.. no one wants to put up with it.. i know that is the main reason why chris and i only updated once in a while.. be happy your getting aftermarket support.. you haven't been waiting a year for the kit from andy's.. you have to start over with them.. it's day one.. new people no problems so far.. remember that and it'll help make things go smoothly. I know andy's will make good..




From Andy's Autosports email:

Bill, thanks for the email. We're happy to help. At this time, we have been provided the molds but not the list of orders to be fulfilled. Once we do get the list, it will be a matter of three weeks to fulfill their entire list of outstanding orders, as we have a thriving manufacturing plant and we will push the maximum output possible through a hand lay-up manufacturing process. Please feel free to stay in touch with me personally to keep updated on the status of your order.

Thanks,
Eric Ferguson
1-800-419-1152 x106


That is how you handle a business. We pay you, you provide a service (not favor's) There is a reason why Kaotic is no longer in business, it is because you guys cant run a business....Why? Not beacuse of your products, its because you think you do not have to answer to us.....


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#513447 (Re: tnovello) 01/27/04 04:59 PM

Originally posted by tnovello:
Yeah that's it.. bug the [censored] out of andy's a day after they get the molds wondering what the date will be when 17 kits are getting shipped.. you guys wonder why your aftermarket sucks.. no one wants to put up with it.. i know that is the main reason why chris and i only updated once in a while.. be happy your getting aftermarket support.. you haven't been waiting a year for the kit from andy's.. you have to start over with them.. it's day one.. new people no problems so far.. remember that and it'll help make things go smoothly. I know andy's will make good..



uh, how the hell does sending a company an email mean that you're bugging them? unlike you, other, REAL companies include customer support with their services.... i suggest that if you ever plan on starting another business, you enroll in a class that will teach you how to politely deal with customers. these classes can be found at your local community college.


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#513453 (Re: Nate S) 01/27/04 05:18 PM

Originally posted by tnovello:
Yeah that's it.. bug the [censored] out of andy's a day after they get the molds wondering what the date will be when 17 kits are getting shipped.. you guys wonder why your aftermarket sucks.. no one wants to put up with it.. i know that is the main reason why chris and i only updated once in a while.. be happy your getting aftermarket support..




Originally posted by Nate S:
uh, how the hell is sending a company an email bugging them? unlike you, other, REAL companies include customer support with their businesses.... i suggest that if you even plan on starting another business, you enroll in a class that will teach you how to politely deal with customers. these classes can be found at your local community college.





Bingo. Nate wins the "it had to be said" award for today. The reason our aftermarket sucks is because of companies like Kaotic, ELGlow (the GB I'm in right now), DTec Tuning, SHO Shop, and Performance Fords who think they can make an assload of money by offering a product to too many people, then being overwhelmed with producing and supporting it, or in some cases, just not supporting anything. If you're going to make a business of selling a product to a group of people, be it a small group like CEG or a large group like ClubSI, you have to be able to answer phone calls/emails/questions and not lie to your customers. Go try this at ClubSI where the aftermarket doesn't suck, and see how far you get. EDIT: ClubSI, where they have an entire forum dedicated to vouch/scam threads.

Originally posted by tnovello:
you haven't been waiting a year for the kit from andy's..




Right, and no one will have to either.

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#513529 (Re: onosway) 01/27/04 06:42 PM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
oh... and the molds....

they're going to Andy's Autosport (from what I was told by one of them).... not good


Andy's has horrible customer service and really screwed over some of the Cougar guys. Just do a search on CEG or the Cougar site... you'll see.






From friends with prior experience I heard andys was over priced for not so good quality...Thats just what I have heard... Seems like any customer service is better than none... I really hate to see all of you getting screwed... I hope your body kits come out looking awesome...when you get them that is!

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#513532 (Re: hetfield) 01/27/04 06:45 PM

Originally posted by hetfield:
Go try this at ClubSI where the aftermarket doesn't suck, and see how far you get. EDIT: ClubSI, where they have an entire forum dedicated to vouch/scam threads.








i've been thinking we need maybe a rating system, something like the way we use to rate members back in the day...except this time its for vendors

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#513593 (Re: tnovello) 01/27/04 07:45 PM

"Yeah that's it.. bug the [censored] out of andy's a day after they get the molds wondering what the date will be when 17 kits are getting shipped.. you guys wonder why your aftermarket sucks.. no one wants to put up with it.. i know that is the main reason why chris and i only updated once in a while.. be happy your getting aftermarket support.."

Ignorance breeds stupidity..

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#513636 (Re: unknown) 01/27/04 08:20 PM

Originally posted by unknown:
Originally posted by tnovello:
"Yeah that's it.. bug the [censored] out of andy's a day after they get the molds wondering what the date will be when 17 kits are getting shipped.. you guys wonder why your aftermarket sucks.. no one wants to put up with it.. i know that is the main reason why chris and i only updated once in a while.. be happy your getting aftermarket support.."




Ignorance breeds stupidity..




oh well im sorry that when we pay for stuff we expect to get it (within a year at that). and heaven forbid that we would like some customer support every once and a while. if you arent ready to deal with customers that expect a product in a timely fashion when they are dropping a decent sum of money, then im sorry.

people have waited forever for this. kaotic wasnt working on it, they were ignoring their customers, and until legal action was threatened, it looked like they were running with CEGers money.

yeah, ignorance sure does breed stupidity

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#513651 (Re: KingpinSVT) 01/27/04 08:30 PM

Kingpin, you do realize that unknown was quoting tnovello, don't you?

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#513655 (Re: hetfield) 01/27/04 08:31 PM

oh, oops. well then redirect that towards tnovello.

my apologies. i just got worked up when i read that.

[edit] there i fixed it

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#513660 (Re: KingpinSVT) 01/27/04 08:34 PM

no prob... I realized that by using quotation marks and not quote tags that some confusion was bound to ensue.

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#513704 (Re: hetfield) 01/27/04 09:03 PM

Favors? I wish I said something on that note earlier - business do not do favors - they provide a service for money... these people gave you money - invested in a project that could have made your business. Instead Kaotic fell due to the lack of professionalism by Chris/Kaotic. Yes Chris does good body work (well... my new shop is not saying the same thing.) But running a business - not even close. Had I not intervened and bridged a gap between Terry/Kaotic/CEG Kaotic and this entire GB would have failed earlier.

Taking 15 months and then you all have the odasity to complain that CEG is the problem?? Obsurd.

I'm a business major - this entire ordeal has made for an interesting presentation in my entrepruneur class.

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#513866 (Re: onosway) 01/27/04 11:32 PM

OK since the Number is dead how are we suppose to get a hold of chris to find out whats going on with the Hoods.

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#514581 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 01/28/04 05:08 PM

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
OK since the Number is dead how are we suppose to get a hold of chris to find out whats going on with the Hoods.




I suggest using both hands while someone else swings the tire iron.

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#514791 (Re: bigMoneyRacing) 01/28/04 08:17 PM

Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
OK since the Number is dead how are we suppose to get a hold of chris to find out whats going on with the Hoods.




I suggest using both hands while someone else swings the tire iron.




Thats is the funniest thing I have heard all day! I was reading this in one of my classes and I busted out laughing!

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#514866 (Re: XKontour98) 01/28/04 09:49 PM

Originally posted by XKontour98:
Thats is the funniest thing I have heard all day! I was reading this in one of my classes and I busted out laughing!




Oh man... If I had the opportunity to read CEG in any of my classes I'd have failed out of school by now.

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#514946 (Re: XKontour98) 01/28/04 11:31 PM

Originally posted by XKontour98:
Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
OK since the Number is dead how are we suppose to get a hold of chris to find out whats going on with the Hoods.




I suggest using both hands while someone else swings the tire iron.




Thats is the funniest thing I have heard all day! I was reading this in one of my classes and I busted out laughing!




Lmao that is pretty funny though.

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Re: ::: ATTN: ALL KAOTIC POTENTIAL/CURRENT BUYERS :::: new
#514947 (Re: hetfield) 01/28/04 11:31 PM

Originally posted by hetfield:
Originally posted by XKontour98:
Thats is the funniest thing I have heard all day! I was reading this in one of my classes and I busted out laughing!




Oh man... If I had the opportunity to read CEG in any of my classes I'd have failed out of school by now.




Yeah tell me about it! I finally figured out how to access my wireless internet on my laptop and the entire campus is designed with it so here goes my grades!

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#516159 (Re: XKontour98) 01/29/04 11:30 PM

hello all i also have had a problem with kaotic and do not know what to do. i payed 984.00 to chris croft on dec 6th for a bumber and hood. last response was on jan 11th saying its almost done. now i recieve no response to e-mails, kaotis phone is disconnected what am i to do. any help is appreciated. thanks. my email is mittonb@sbcglobal.net

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Re: ::: ATTN: ALL KAOTIC POTENTIAL/CURRENT BUYERS :::: new
#516180 (Re: mitton) 01/30/04 12:01 AM

Originally posted by mitton:
hello all i also have had a problem with kaotic and do not know what to do. i payed 984.00 to chris croft on dec 6th for a bumber and hood. last response was on jan 11th saying its almost done. now i recieve no response to e-mails, kaotis phone is disconnected what am i to do. any help is appreciated. thanks. my email is mittonb@sbcglobal.net




did you read what is being done? kaotic sold the mold to andys motorsports and they will make the remaining kits. youll have to get a refund for your hood. talk to nirish.

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Re: ::: ATTN: ALL KAOTIC POTENTIAL/CURRENT BUYERS :::: new
#516325 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/30/04 02:39 AM

Chris Croft should be handling all RETURNS on the widebody and hoods AND PRE98 KITS since he has the money. I don't recall accepting payments in December so he probably paid Chris instead of me.

If he does not respond then the next step would be legal action of course since a service was not provided after funds have been put forth.

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ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516560 (Re: onosway) 01/30/04 06:47 AM

WTF!!??!?!?!?!!

WHY IS ANDY'S USING MY CAR TO SELL THEIR FREGGIN KIT?!! I'M PISSED! I DON'T WANT MY SH!!T ON THERE - SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT - www.andysautobody.com

I GET SCREWED AND THEY GET TO ADVERTISE MY CAR?! IF THEY PAY FOR THE WORK ON MY CAR MAYBE THEY CAN.

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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516563 (Re: onosway) 01/30/04 06:53 AM

ANDY's AUTOSPORT BBB REPORT!

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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516565 (Re: onosway) 01/30/04 06:56 AM

If you guys could please tell them they can either remove pictures of my car or provide me with monatery compensation which would in turn go to my freggin car that Chris failed to perform on.



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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516567 (Re: onosway) 01/30/04 06:58 AM

Oh, and if makes you feel more comfortable knowing that Andy's is taking care of the kits - Chris used to work for them before starting Kaotic....



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Re: ::: ATTN: ALL KAOTIC POTENTIAL/CURRENT BUYERS :::: new
#516570 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 01/30/04 07:08 AM




did you read what is being done? kaotic sold the mold to andys motorsports and they will make the remaining kits.




So I was viewing the Better Business Bureau's file on Andy's Motorsports and all I can say is WTF! It sounds like they are no better than Kaotic! In the past 36 months or since beginning of thier operation which ever is less they have averaged at minimun 1 complaint per month! Here is the link to the page on the BBB's site:

http://www.bbbsilicon.org/common.html?location=/home/common/www/bindr/report.php&bureau=sanjose&compid=207652

Here is a section of the article:

"Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau. Specifically, our records show a pattern of non-response to consumer complaints brought to its attention by the Bureau.


The company's size, volume of business, and number of transactions may have a bearing on the number of complaints received by the BBB. The complaints filed against a company may not be as important as the type of complaints, and how the company handled them. The BBB generally does not pass judgment on the validity of complaints filed.

The following data concerns complaints processed by the BBB since the firm's file was opened or over the last 36 months, whichever is less. Andy's Autosport has had 35 complaints. 1 was closed as Resolved. 34 were closed as No Response. Of these complaints: 2 were concerning Selling Practices. 4 were concerning Service Issues. 4 were concerning Credit or Billing. 12 were concerning Delivery Issues. 9 were concerning Refund Practices. 4 were concerning Product Quality."

I sure hope something comes good out of all of this! And so we continue to wait..............



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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516585 (Re: onosway) 01/30/04 07:41 AM

Did you take the pictures?

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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516586 (Re: onosway) 01/30/04 07:41 AM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
If you guys could please tell them they can either remove pictures of my car or provide me with monatery compensation which would in turn go to my freggin car that Chris failed to perform on.






I don't see how any of us would have anything to do with that. You might have to take care of your own business there, instead of shouting over here.

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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516729 (Re: perry) 01/30/04 02:50 PM

Originally posted by perry:
Did you take the pictures?




yeah I did.

Anyways - So i was pissed last night - I'm in a worse situation than any of you over this car so let me shout.

I should of given it a day to think about, so you were right. But I needed an avenue to let out my frustration and this is it...




BTW - the shop contacted me - I'll call them later today.

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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516787 (Re: onosway) 01/30/04 03:56 PM

I have an idea see if you can get donations to finish your car... since you donated your car..

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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#516981 (Re: onosway) 01/30/04 07:40 PM

why were these given to Andys Autosports? I thought this was all trying to be resolved? Sounds like you're all setting yourselves up for more BS.

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Re: ANDY'S IS ADVERTISING MY CAR?!?!?!?!? new
#517354 (Re: IonNinja) 01/31/04 02:15 AM

Andy's has had the mold a week, give them a chance. They replied promptly to my questions so give it a chance. Anything is better then the previous situation

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Restitution...part 1 new
#519381 (Re: KnuKonceptz) 02/02/04 06:17 PM

Hey Guys:

I just got off the phone with Eric from Andy's Autosport. The conversation went smooth and we addressed both my concerns and the concerns of the GB. I want you all to know that I will provide them with the necessary information to fulfil this GB so you guys are taken care of - like I said, i'm going to do anything to fix this.

I also addressed my concerns over the reputation of the shop and told him how I already had a bad taste in my mouth due to the accounts on the Cougar boards along with various other parties who had issues with Andy's. The management did change about 2 or 3 years ago (the original Andys' was indeed plagued with problems) and they've had some growing pains but Eric seems to be a stand up guy and is trying to help ME out in anyway possible.

I will visit their shop and give you guys updates - I told Eric about the camaraderie between us and how you all have my back in this situation.

We are currently working something out - I will remain cooperative to make sure you guys are taken care of but he understands my concerns over the fact that my car should of been finished first piror to any kits being released.

I should have more updates later this week after talking to Eric again.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519521 (Re: onosway) 02/02/04 09:36 PM

All I can say is I want my kit.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519561 (Re: Ricksvt) 02/02/04 10:48 PM

Originally posted by Ricksvt:
All I can say is I want my kit.




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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519581 (Re: onosway) 02/02/04 11:06 PM

Originally posted by nyceboi:


We are currently working something out - I will remain cooperative to make sure you guys are taken care of but he understands my concerns over the fact that my car should of been finished first piror to any kits being released.





Thats great its nice your helping us out. But I was thinking, you haven't paid anything as of yet right? Maybe you should take that into consideration why other kits were being shipped. Plus you had WB,hood,doors etc.. None of that was originaly included in the deal. So I didn't see any problem with them shipping kits, on top of the fact that we were all complaning about time but you were not. Not trying to be an ass, but just thought I should point out a few things. Good luck with everything

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519609 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/02/04 11:32 PM

I just want my hood or my money back....

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519650 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/03/04 12:33 AM

Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by nyceboi:


We are currently working something out - I will remain cooperative to make sure you guys are taken care of but he understands my concerns over the fact that my car should of been finished first piror to any kits being released.





Thats great its nice your helping us out. But I was thinking, you haven't paid anything as of yet right? Maybe you should take that into consideration why other kits were being shipped. Plus you had WB,hood,doors etc.. None of that was originaly included in the deal. So I didn't see any problem with them shipping kits, on top of the fact that we were all complaning about time but you were not. Not trying to be an ass, but just thought I should point out a few things. Good luck with everything




uh...try again - i am paying to have it fixed, plus 15 months without my car plus payments/insurance and a headache I didn't need? All the trim on my car is damaged with overspray and other visable damage, my interior is even worse - covered with dust all long the headboard, vinyl, seats - I spend a few hours on it and it still looks like crap - I'll have to replace all that too. Chris did F me over big time - and you want me to look on the brigher side? yeah i know you're looking out for yourself and that's fine - but if it was you in my position you would think differently. n e wayz, I only told him that mine should of been completed first - that's outside of his control since another shop is working on it. I'm only stating what was SUPPOSED to be done...

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519661 (Re: onosway) 02/03/04 12:52 AM

I understand your position. I wasn't trying to offend you. I know its a tough situation. It sucks. There realy isn't a bright side to this whole thing. Just saying you might have been able to avoid a lot of that had you stepped up a long time ago. But whats done is done. You wanted a show car anyway. Just have to foot the bill now. Peace

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519938 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/03/04 05:29 AM

Guys we all got F'd over, some harder then others. Atleast this thing has some closer, lets not get pissy after all this other crap is behind us. Nyce didnt have a car for 15 months, we were only out cash for that time.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519947 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/03/04 05:41 AM

Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by nyceboi:


We are currently working something out - I will remain cooperative to make sure you guys are taken care of but he understands my concerns over the fact that my car should of been finished first piror to any kits being released.





Thats great its nice your helping us out. But I was thinking, you haven't paid anything as of yet right? Maybe you should take that into consideration why other kits were being shipped. Plus you had WB,hood,doors etc.. None of that was originaly included in the deal. So I didn't see any problem with them shipping kits, on top of the fact that we were all complaning about time but you were not. Not trying to be an ass, but just thought I should point out a few things. Good luck with everything






no disrespect but stfu u just dont know what nirish went through for us and himself.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519948 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/03/04 05:41 AM

Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by nyceboi:


We are currently working something out - I will remain cooperative to make sure you guys are taken care of but he understands my concerns over the fact that my car should of been finished first piror to any kits being released.





Thats great its nice your helping us out. But I was thinking, you haven't paid anything as of yet right? Maybe you should take that into consideration why other kits were being shipped. Plus you had WB,hood,doors etc.. None of that was originaly included in the deal. So I didn't see any problem with them shipping kits, on top of the fact that we were all complaning about time but you were not. Not trying to be an ass, but just thought I should point out a few things. Good luck with everything






no disrespect but stfu u just dont know what nirish went through for us and himself.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#519974 (Re: lsneo) 02/03/04 06:13 AM

u shouldnt say that again

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#520150 (Re: svttour) 02/03/04 02:04 PM

Originally posted by svttour:
u shouldnt say that again





Yeah man, we're out a few hundred buck. Dude could have been out whatever he paid for the SVT. Lets not get pissy, lets just get our kits!!!

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#520578 (Re: BK4293) 02/03/04 10:12 PM

did any one get a date on when this kit will be sent, by the new Co.I just dont want my summer to pass me bye agian and no kit....

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#520636 (Re: Ricksvt) 02/03/04 11:13 PM

They " should" all be shipped out in approx two weeks. Sorry about the other post. I guess It came out a little to harsh. Sorry. Good luck

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#521288 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/04/04 06:04 PM

This Kit is currently available through www.andysautosport.com and is available for immiedate shipping and delivery

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#521313 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/04/04 06:36 PM

Originally posted by BMorgn66:
This Kit is currently available through www.andysautosport.com and is available for immiedate shipping and delivery




Umm, no. I really don't think so.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#522416 (Re: 1314) 02/05/04 05:46 PM

Do keep us updated..

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523108 (Re: 1314) 02/06/04 04:24 AM

well mister ummm i really dont think so, i can forward the emails to you direct from andys auto sport. I love how people think they know everything.

good stuff, I guess i was just lying to everyone

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523111 (Re: 1314) 02/06/04 04:27 AM

Well Mister Umm, no. I really don't think so. I guess I just lying to everyone because I want people to like me, I am glad you run andys auto sport and that you know everything, i can send you a forward of the emails i recieved from the website if you like, but im sure you would say they were faked or something. Great work knowing everything....its awsome.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523116 (Re: svtsoboss) 02/06/04 04:30 AM

arnt we all glad 1314 runs andys auto sport and he knows that the kits arnt available, I must have just been lying because I want to become your friends. Good job knowing everything, and running a website.....keep it up bucko... if anyone would like a copy of the emails from andys auto sport, let me know. Nice Work

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523119 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/06/04 04:32 AM

did I get my point across ????

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523174 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/06/04 05:23 AM

Yeah, if your point was to be obnoxious and annoying...

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523220 (Re: path914) 02/06/04 06:27 AM

Settle down ladies.......

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523242 (Re: XKontour98) 02/06/04 07:13 AM

3 posts in a row for what? sounds like you're asking to start something...

but answer me this, how are kits that are not complete shipping out immediately?

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523249 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/06/04 07:46 AM

Wow B, path hit the nail on the head.

Let's see.

Nyceboi tells us on the 23rd of Jan that the molds of the kit will go to Andys.
Tnovello tells us that on the 26th, the molds have been given to Andy.
There are 17 kits that Andys needs to make and ship and needs to do before they start offering any kits to anyone else.

Now, if any schmo can get his kit before the people in the group buy, then Andys sucks and you were right. But I don't see it happening. Either way, you pointing out that the kits are already available is pretty lame, considering everyone here has already paid for their kit and is just waiting on it and has been waiting on it for over a year.

And to keep this thread from further hijacking and if you feel the need to continue to act like an idiot, you can feel free to PM me.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523257 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/06/04 08:14 AM

Originally posted by BMorgn66:
well mister ummm i really dont think so, i can forward the emails to you direct from andys auto sport. I love how people think they know everything.

good stuff, I guess i was just lying to everyone




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#523258 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/06/04 08:15 AM

Originally posted by BMorgn66:
arnt we all glad 1314 runs andys auto sport and he knows that the kits arnt available, I must have just been lying because I want to become your friends. Good job knowing everything, and running a website.....keep it up bucko... if anyone would like a copy of the emails from andys auto sport, let me know. Nice Work




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#523259 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/06/04 08:16 AM

Originally posted by BMorgn66:
well mister ummm i really dont think so, i can forward the emails to you direct from andys auto sport. I love how people think they know everything.

good stuff, I guess i was just lying to everyone




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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#523260 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/06/04 08:16 AM

Originally posted by BMorgn66:
did I get my point across ????




Well, tell us what the point of all that was?

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#524154 (Re: BK4293) 02/07/04 06:10 AM

dude stfu! You dont know what you are talkling about. Ive you come start a fight then dont start it on the boards. Also dont bother pming me or eric since i have a very short fuse and you will only piss me off. Yea im standing up for eric, if you have a problem with anyone on here then either 1. dont say anything
2. make a complaint to another admin
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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#524402 (Re: 1314) 02/07/04 06:20 PM

I only ment to post once, but i keep trying and nothing was coming up until i reloaded the page. Im and idiot, also I wasn't trying to make anyone mad because i know what its like to want something and have to wait a million years for it. but the orig. thread is titled all potential and current buyers, so thats why i felt the need to drop the info. sorry for posting so many times before, like i said before IM AN IDIOT... sorry

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#524440 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/07/04 07:23 PM

Originally posted by BMorgn66:
did I get my point across ????




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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#524521 (Re: BMorgn66) 02/07/04 09:49 PM

Originally posted by BMorgn66:
like i said before IM AN IDIOT... sorry

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#524533 (Re: BK4293) 02/07/04 10:12 PM

Hey nyce I just have a few questions, have you given Andy's the list with the order to ship the kit's in. Do you need our shipping info again to give Andy's? And is there a set time that they are going to finish your car?

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#525373 (Re: Doug Christman) 02/09/04 01:07 AM

I don't know what deal Andy's and I will come up with for my car - Eric and I talked and are working on getting him the information since I doubt Chris is smart enough to do even that - yes I doubt his abilities to the fullest.

Any way, I will probably talk to Eric tomorrow over @ Andy's and I will give him my list with all the contact information that I have. From there Eric will take on full responsibility for anything - after I have given Andy's the information I will be FREE! (which probably means I will no longer visit Contour.org )

I'll try to remember to post pix of my car when finished - I do stay in contact with some of you off the board so I can send them photos.

Oh, and one more freggin annoying thing - I guess that ?Citation10 guy? is trying to sue me or has somehow come up with a case - Here is his email to me for whatever reason -

Quote:

This E Mail is to verify that i have placed a lawsuit on you , Case # 256-70-0071, Case was processed by a lawyer out of Miami Florida . I will get my $150.00 from you , Either i SUE you , or i go directly to you . I will get it . This issuse will never die , There is a lot of people who want to visit you have your face smashed in , Im not that violent . I just want my 150.00 returned to me . NOW BOY !




I feel this message is somewhat threatening, don't you think? Anyway - he knows he sent money to me FOR Kaotic/Chris and he also knows that they have the money. I thought the issue died and he went to Chris. He had harrassed me in the past and now is trying to do it again. I just wanted to put you all on notice just incase this dumbass tries to get anywhere. He has no grounds since I have proof of all my transactions - he's looking at a loss in legal fees for a fruitless attempt at suing. Let me know what you think.




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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#525386 (Re: onosway) 02/09/04 01:17 AM

Honestly, I'm not sure. How did he pay you? I would think that if you cashed his check or money order, then he would collect from you. If you turned the money over to someone else, you would have to collect from that person to recover what you paid him back.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#525497 (Re: 1314) 02/09/04 03:26 AM

I'm not trying to get in a financial mess here over someone elses f*up. Everyone who paid me knew I accepted payment on behalf of Kaotic Innovations/Chris Croft. I paid Kaotic Innovations/Chris Croft the full amount I recieved. All this was tracked via bank transactions - so I can prove the full amount recieved was the full amout paid.

Those were the conditions when I accepted payment - I fulfilled my part of the deal.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#525537 (Re: onosway) 02/09/04 04:08 AM

i want to see all the people that wants to smash nyceboi's face in...cause i kno for a fact that no one's gonna even touch him...if they do...they're gonna get f**ked up by a lot of people...nyceboi knows a lot of people over here that has his back...so i would watch who your messing with...

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#525605 (Re: onosway) 02/09/04 05:09 AM

Personally I don't think hes a bad guy...I just know that he feels he got ripped off of $150 and missed out on a body kit.

I really don't think hes any different from other people on here who just 1) want what they paid for 2)want their money back

should be an easy problem to solve I think since you're only dealing with $150 as opposed to $650+

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#525606 (Re: 1314) 02/09/04 05:09 AM

omg dont believe that lie. First of all he said he had filed the lawsuit and then says that he either sues you or not. Which means he hasnt sued you yet. Another thing is that it will cost more than 150 to even get a lawyer to do that [censored].

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#525684 (Re: tpham) 02/09/04 06:34 AM

Originally posted by tpham:
i want to see all the people that wants to smash nyceboi's face in...cause i kno for a fact that no one's gonna even touch him...if they do...they're gonna get f**ked up by a lot of people...nyceboi knows a lot of people over here that has his back...so i would watch who your messing with...




Yeah I wouldnt worry about it, I'm sure Citation has a hell of a lot more people that would like to smash his face in than Nicey does.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#527482 (Re: onosway) 02/11/04 01:30 AM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
Those were the conditions when I accepted payment - I fulfilled my part of the deal.




I understand that. But like I said, I don't know. It was a guess on my part, but you might want to look into it just to be safe in case he does follow through with it.

tpham = we really don't need e-thugging, ok. I'm sure everyone knows a lot of people who have their backs. Umm, just relax.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#527507 (Re: onosway) 02/11/04 01:51 AM

Nirish, when can i expect my full refund back?

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#527810 (Re: 1314) 02/11/04 06:29 AM

Originally posted by 1314:

tpham = we really don't need e-thugging, ok. I'm sure everyone knows a lot of people who have their backs. Umm, just relax.





LOL - like the use of the term e-thugging.....What is funnier is the guy registered just to say that....

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#530626 (Re: tpham) 02/13/04 11:39 PM

Any word from Andy's yet ... I'm #6 on the list.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#530766 (Re: SVTweeter) 02/14/04 03:06 AM

Well lets put it this way. I talked to Andys today and they said they haven't even recieved the list yet and that they have already made ten other kits for random people that ordered off the webiste . They will not do anything more until they receive it(I don't blame them) So whats the f*** deal here. How hard is it to deliver the list. NYCE were are you. I thought you were suppose to deliver the list on Monday. What the happened. At least let us know that you couldn't make it, or that something else was going on. I would assume you could at least email it to them or fax it. But that could have been done weeks ago. Did they say they needed Chris himself to deliver? Whats going on, you need to fill us in

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#531054 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/14/04 01:49 PM

I also need to know if there getting a mold for the hood or not. If not then im going to my CC company to get my money back on way or another.

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#531928 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 02/15/04 09:06 PM

As of yesterday i called my CC company to file a complaint, I'm sick of waiting and not hearing anything from anyone about the hoods. And im sure Nirish was right they never intended to make them unlike what chris said.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#532746 (Re: I-Dom-In-VIII) 02/16/04 06:43 PM

Andy's has ignored my calls and emails for the past 3 weeks since our initial communication. Also, I emailed those of you who are in the GB (if I had your addy) in regards to what Ashley said. I no longer have time for this game - I'll just take my losses and go.

FAQ:

Q. What's going on with the kit?
A. I don't know anything about the kit.

Q. How much longer till the kits are done?
A. I dunno, not a part of it.

Q. How's your car?
A. She's fine.

Q. Got any pix?
A. No.

Q. How do I contact Chris?
A. Nobody knows, his dumbass is in hiding and he doesn't respond to emails. CROFTY59@HOTMAIL.COM

Q. Where does he live?
A. Last I heard he lives in Milpitas, CA, but also has residence in Pennsylvania where his parents live - he is orignally from PA.

I've tried to help - I've exerted energy I shouldn't have to - The door closed on me - I got screwed - You all know who has taken on responsibility and liability for the kits - and even they shut me out - I'm looking out for myself.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#532768 (Re: onosway) 02/16/04 07:15 PM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
but also has residence in Pennsylvania where his parents live - he is orignally from PA.






any idea where at???

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#533042 (Re: Russell-3L) 02/17/04 12:10 AM

Payment Detail - My logs of payments from CEGers to Chris Croft CHRIS HAS A SIMILAR LIST but

The file is in PDF form. I don't want to post the original payments since you all probably have sensative information that doesn't need to be public.

The PDF states what it states - you guys paid me understanding I would transfer the funds to Chris Croft/Kaotic Innovations - and I paid Chris Croft/Kaotic Innovations for the amount that was paid to me.

What the payments are for are also detailed in the PDF.

If you are not on this list it's because you didn't pay me, you probably paid Terry Knight Jr. or Chris Croft/Kaotic Innovations directly.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#533046 (Re: onosway) 02/17/04 12:13 AM

I think Chris has a Washington Mutual account for anybody that wants to know. I don't know if that helps in tracking him down or not but I know he made some of the deposits I gave him there. He also went to the Washington Mutual bank in Oroville, CA.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#533057 (Re: onosway) 02/17/04 12:21 AM

so since chris has this info, will he be reimbursing me?

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Re: THE HUNT FOR CHRIS, CALL YOUR LAWYOR new
#533076 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 02/17/04 12:31 AM

Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
so since chris has this info, will he be reimbursing me?




Yo bro you might want to do what the other guy did. I hope you paid by C.C. Everyone, were probaly S.O.L. The guy is obviously run town and doesn't plan on paying up. Its going to be some work to locate this guy, those that called lawyors, need to call again. Nyce the people over at Andy's have no idea who you are and have not heard from anyone in a month(word from manager). Every time I have called I have had absoulty no problem what so ever getting through and finding out info. Also Chris has not given Andy's and money what so ever. Like I said they will do nothing until then. Delivering the list is also useless with out the money. They know they were "suppose" to build something like 18 kits. They are ready to go but no dough no go This whole thing is done until we find Chris. Its man hunt time.

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Re: Restitution...part 1 new
#533080 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 02/17/04 12:32 AM

Chris should be, but also - since Andy's Autosport took on responsibility for the Group Buy upon recieving the molds I feel they should be responsible. I don't know the details of the transfer but we all know Andy's said they would fulfill the GB.

If Chris did transfer liablility as part of the deal to Andy's then go after Andy's. If not - Chris is the one you need.

Eric has still not contacted me.

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#533082 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/17/04 12:33 AM

BTW: It spelled Lawyer (Lawyor dont sound good )

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#533085 (Re: TaurusKev) 02/17/04 12:35 AM

any lawyers in the house? maybe someone can tell us who really has the responsability.

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#533087 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/17/04 12:36 AM

Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
so since chris has this info, will he be reimbursing me?




Yo bro you might want to do what the other guy did. I hope you paid by C.C. Everyone, were probaly S.O.L. The guy is obviously run town and doesn't plan on paying up. Its going to be some work to locate this guy, those that called lawyors, need to call again. Nyce the people over at Andy's have no idea who you are and have not heard from anyone in a month(word from manager). Every time I have called I have had absoulty no problem what so ever getting through and finding out info. Also Chris has not given Andy's and money what so ever. Like I said they will do nothing until then. Delivering the list is also useless with out the money. They know they were "suppose" to build something like 18 kits. They are ready to go but no dough no go This whole thing is done until we find Chris. Its man hunt time.




The part of them not hearing from me is B.S. I've contacted them multiple times and left Eric as Andy's several messages. I have his personal extention and personal email addy. I've called several times, and every time I've called someone else picks up and if I ask for Andy's they trasnfer me to voicemail and I never get a call or email back.

I'll call them now.

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#533089 (Re: onosway) 02/17/04 12:38 AM

Sheesh... I hope this thing settles out good... (probaly wont though)

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#533092 (Re: TaurusKev) 02/17/04 12:41 AM

Got voice mail. 1-800-419-1152 x106 That's Erics extension - if someone else could find out what's up please let me know.

They are still using my picture of my car to sell kits.

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#533096 (Re: onosway) 02/17/04 12:44 AM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
Got voice mail. 1-800-419-1152 x106 That's Erics extension - if someone else could find out what's up please let me know.

They are still using my picture of my car to sell kits.



Isnt that illegal if they dont have your consent?

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#533097 (Re: TaurusKev) 02/17/04 12:45 AM

i sent both chris and tony emails and i also got on to probetalk and sent them pms telling them to send the list.

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#533106 (Re: TaurusKev) 02/17/04 12:51 AM

Originally posted by KevContour:
Originally posted by nyceboi:
Got voice mail. 1-800-419-1152 x106 That's Erics extension - if someone else could find out what's up please let me know.

They are still using my picture of my car to sell kits.



Isnt that illegal if they dont have your consent?




it's his work phone number and extention - not his personal ph number

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#533111 (Re: onosway) 02/17/04 12:54 AM

i think he was talking about them using your car.

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#533114 (Re: lsneo) 02/17/04 12:55 AM

Originally posted by lsneo:
i think he was talking about them using your car.



Yep

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#533155 (Re: TaurusKev) 02/17/04 01:24 AM

Originally posted by KevContour:
BTW: It spelled Lawyer (Lawyor dont sound good )




DOH . Nyce I just repeatin what they told me. They also said there waiting for payment. That was Chris's job. So on with the hunt

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#533162 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/17/04 01:27 AM

damn, now i feel bad that i stuck up for chris, and am the only one that got what i paid for.. well me and pete i guess...



anything i can do to help. let me know, although nirish knows everything i know and then some.

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#533757 (Re: Speed Demon) 02/17/04 01:44 PM

WTF My Deposit isn't on the list.. and it was comfirmed by nyceboi and chris... humm 150.00 was the deposit.. it should be under the name jmbenally or jerrold Benally.. god there better be a good excuse for this.....

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#534021 (Re: onosway) 02/17/04 07:23 PM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
Payment Detail - My logs of payments from CEGers to Chris Croft CHRIS HAS A SIMILAR LIST but

The file is in PDF form. I don't want to post the original payments since you all probably have sensative information that doesn't need to be public.

The PDF states what it states - you guys paid me understanding I would transfer the funds to Chris Croft/Kaotic Innovations - and I paid Chris Croft/Kaotic Innovations for the amount that was paid to me.

What the payments are for are also detailed in the PDF.

If you are not on this list it's because you didn't pay me, you probably paid Terry Knight Jr. or Chris Croft/Kaotic Innovations directly.




What i want to know is why my name is NO LONGER on the list. When you had it up on Website it was there and now its not? Whats up I paid my deposit? Luckily I held on to the rest of the money. I mean i'm not out as much as most of the rest of you guys but still. Whats up with that?!

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#534094 (Re: EuroTour) 02/17/04 08:21 PM

My deposit wasnt on there as well but I unfortunately sent that to Terry

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#534892 (Re: svtsoboss) 02/18/04 02:32 PM

Originally posted by svtsoboss:
WTF My Deposit isn't on the list.. and it was comfirmed by nyceboi and chris... humm 150.00 was the deposit.. it should be under the name jmbenally or jerrold Benally.. god there better be a good excuse for this.....




Jerrold - did you actually pay me? Please let me know so I can look over my records but I am only displaying payments of people who PAID ME not TERRY KNIGHT JR. If I verified an order in the past it was because Terry said he had your money - we were going based off this word but Terry never paid Chris from what I understand.





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#534899 (Re: onosway) 02/18/04 02:45 PM

UPDATED LIST - just a small mistake on my part WORD FILE - I WILL PDF LATER IF NEEDED

This list isn't any different from the past one as far as names go - the only exception is that I took down the wrong amount paid for one person - so the totals are a little different.

There are no additional names added since this is a list of people that specifically paid me for Chris Croft/Kaotic Innovations body kits. If I didn't handle your account then the only thing I can verify is that you were on the list that Terry Knight Jr. gave me and if you're on the list you did make some kind of deposit to Terry.

Official list of GB for post98 body kit (some people who do not show here are on my list) This is just the list I was given by Terry.

MikesStripedSVT
Ricksvt
SVT ST PETE
Doug Christman
OUTLAW13MW
SVTweeter
KnuKonceptz
lsneo
Faze Away
unknown
Speed Demon
Rene Vicera Jr.
Micah Watts
Bk4293
Edward McGunn
Teddy Flynt - Matt Holbrook
Leo Swithenbank
Eugene Amar-Atsen
Conor7seven
Brian Whitton
Michael Westrate
Gregory Thumper
livinsvt
Jacob Dowdy
Lazzzy
XKontour98
Miroslaw Swietek
svtsoboss
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#534904 (Re: TaurusKev) 02/18/04 02:54 PM

Originally posted by KevContour:
Originally posted by lsneo:
i think he was talking about them using your car.



Yep




oh yeah they decided to ignore me - I guess I should just go to small claims since they're being shady about it and I no longer feel like making a big stink from it.

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#534982 (Re: onosway) 02/18/04 04:45 PM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
UPDATED LIST - just a small mistake on my part WORD FILE - I WILL PDF LATER IF NEEDED

This list isn't any different from the past one as far as names go - the only exception is that I took down the wrong amount paid for one person - so the totals are a little different.

There are no additional names added since this is a list of people that specifically paid me for Chris Croft/Kaotic Innovations body kits. If I didn't handle your account then the only thing I can verify is that you were on the list that Terry Knight Jr. gave me and if you're on the list you did make some kind of deposit to Terry.

Official list of GB for post98 body kit (some people who do not show here are on my list) This is just the list I was given by Terry.

MikesStripedSVT
Ricksvt
SVT ST PETE
Doug Christman
OUTLAW13MW
SVTweeter
KnuKonceptz
lsneo
Faze Away
unknown
Speed Demon
Rene Vicera Jr.
Micah Watts
Bk4293
Edward McGunn
Teddy Flynt - Matt Holbrook
Leo Swithenbank
Eugene Amar-Atsen
Conor7seven
Brian Whitton
Michael Westrate
Gregory Thumper
livinsvt
Jacob Dowdy
Lazzzy
XKontour98
Miroslaw Swietek
svtsoboss
Performance Fords
Keith Schumaker
FORDSVT44
GirlieGirlTour98





There it is.. So Terry has our Deposits or payments.. ?? and didnt give anything to you yet.. so should i get a refund from him...

Edited by svtsoboss (02/18/04 04:57 PM)

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#535038 (Re: svtsoboss) 02/18/04 06:55 PM

I don't know what's going on there - I thought at one time Terry was refunding those of you who did not pay the full amount - I'm lost on that one since I havn't heard from Terry for the better part of a year it seems.

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#535069 (Re: onosway) 02/18/04 07:25 PM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
I don't know what's going on there - I thought at one time Terry was refunding those of you who did not pay the full amount - I'm lost on that one since I havn't heard from Terry for the better part of a year it seems.



On 10/13/03
Originally posted by hydro:
FYI:

To all those who purchased body kits through me directly (i.e. SVT ST PETE, Ashley Hall, Rick Lemptski etc.), refunds will be promptly sent back. if you have any concerns feel free to contact me at teejay313@hotmail.com.



Has anyone talked to or received money from Terry?

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#535150 (Re: GTO Pete) 02/18/04 08:28 PM

Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
Originally posted by nyceboi:
I don't know what's going on there - I thought at one time Terry was refunding those of you who did not pay the full amount - I'm lost on that one since I havn't heard from Terry for the better part of a year it seems.



On 10/13/03
Originally posted by hydro:
FYI:

To all those who purchased body kits through me directly (i.e. SVT ST PETE, Ashley Hall, Rick Lemptski etc.), refunds will be promptly sent back. if you have any concerns feel free to contact me at teejay313@hotmail.com.



Has anyone talked to or received money from Terry?




He has my deposit of $150 however I have not received ANY refund or work from him!

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#535166 (Re: XKontour98) 02/18/04 08:41 PM

Originally posted by XKontour98:
Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
Originally posted by nyceboi:
I don't know what's going on there - I thought at one time Terry was refunding those of you who did not pay the full amount - I'm lost on that one since I havn't heard from Terry for the better part of a year it seems.



On 10/13/03
Originally posted by hydro:
FYI:

To all those who purchased body kits through me directly (i.e. SVT ST PETE, Ashley Hall, Rick Lemptski etc.), refunds will be promptly sent back. if you have any concerns feel free to contact me at teejay313@hotmail.com.



Has anyone talked to or received money from Terry?




He has my deposit of $150 however I have not received ANY refund or work from him!




why doesn't everybody just file a complaint with their credit card companies.

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#535242 (Re: XKontour98) 02/18/04 09:48 PM

This is Rick Lempitski....I never even saw the post stating that i was geting the mone back Terry I have called him and no answer............

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#535272 (Re: Airforce) 02/18/04 10:21 PM

I don't think it will do much good at this point. Kaotic is no longer a going concern, so how is the CC company supposed to help? Do they go after the officers of the former business?

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#535428 (Re: Airforce) 02/19/04 01:00 AM

Originally posted by LS V6:
Originally posted by XKontour98:
Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
Originally posted by nyceboi:
I don't know what's going on there - I thought at one time Terry was refunding those of you who did not pay the full amount - I'm lost on that one since I havn't heard from Terry for the better part of a year it seems.



On 10/13/03
Originally posted by hydro:
FYI:

To all those who purchased body kits through me directly (i.e. SVT ST PETE, Ashley Hall, Rick Lemptski etc.), refunds will be promptly sent back. if you have any concerns feel free to contact me at teejay313@hotmail.com.



Has anyone talked to or received money from Terry?




He has my deposit of $150 however I have not received ANY refund or work from him!




why doesn't everybody just file a complaint with their credit card companies.



It wont help if they paid in cash, check, money order, or Paypal...

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#535558 (Re: GTO Pete) 02/19/04 03:32 AM

Some of us are trying to find Chris - I'm sure Andy's knows where he is, after all they are waiting for Chris to give them the list since for whatever reason they won't accept mine.

You guys have the information you need for me, Andy's accepted liability and promised to push out the kits to fulfill the group buy. Send them my list and hold them to it - they are not keeping up with their part of the bargin and using a technicality on the part that Chris Croft is MIA.

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#535646 (Re: onosway) 02/19/04 05:21 AM

The Technicality is that they need there money. Which I am sure Chris doesn't have, hence the reason he is M.I.A.
So far Andys hasn't done anything wrong yet. Unless there hiding more stuff from us. Thats why we need Chris

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#535679 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/19/04 06:09 AM

But Chris "sold" the molds to Andy's Autosport. From what I understand there was no monetary exchange - what Chris asked for instead was for Andy's Autosport to take over Kaotic Innovations customers. You're right, Chris probably doesn't have the money - he's a loser (personal opinion).

Therefore I am assuming that all liability should have been transfered right? Chris was in debt to CEG, Chris had molds - Andy's took molds and removed debt from Chris.

That's why I think Andy's should be fully responsible, and I'm very upset that they have not stepped up to the plate.

I was wrong about Eric at Andy's and I'm sticking with my anti-Andy's story - they make it sound good..hmmm.... Chris did the same thing and we all got suckered by him... I say everybody watch their back. After all Chris left Andy's Autosport because he thought they were shady.... yet goes back to them... BIRD'S OF A FEATHER....

Listen.... I remained very optimistic with Chris. Now i'm very easy going and not at all a violent person and yes... I didn't think I was...but also gullable I suppose since I was suckered into this whole deal. I learned a valuable lesson when it comes to dealing with people in this kind of business. Chris has no history, Andy's has a history... a bad one.... this is marked territory and I don't want anybody to get screwed like I already did.

I say you all let know Andy's they're being watched. I'm sure they know what's up with Chris and are deferring making the kits for you guys. Look at the situation - they're basically having to make 18 or so kits for you guys at no actuall cost to them.

That's only my opinion. Eric still hasn't responded to me and they are acting like I don't exist. You guys actually have had some luck contacting them. Stick it to them.

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#535689 (Re: onosway) 02/19/04 06:32 AM

The whole Chris "sold" them, is probaly the whole shady part of the deal. Did he tell you directly he sold them. I would assume that he would have given them to him, and in return they make the kits. I guess it doesn't realy matter any way. We here have no idea what was said and what the agreement was (I asssume you don't either, but you act like you do). This we need to find out, and why again I say we need to find Chris. Why he just left and didn't even explain is just more B.S. from him. The guys at Andys are saying they needed money. Now I don't know if the person who said that had any right to. Lets just hope there not trying to double dip.

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#535698 (Re: Livinsvt) 02/19/04 06:38 AM

After the whole thing Chris or was it Tony? said the Kits were going to Andy's...and that we should "bug" them remember? That's why I'm assuming - I stated no facts, i'm not "acting" like I know anything cuz I don't. But since I've heard the stories about Andy's and experienced everything that happened between Chris and I first hand... I have no other choice but to make these inferences.

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#535707 (Re: onosway) 02/19/04 06:54 AM

Originally posted by nyceboi:
After the whole thing Chris or was it Tony? said the Kits were going to Andy's...and that we should "bug" them remember? That's why I'm assuming - I stated no facts, i'm not "acting" like I know anything cuz I don't. But since I've heard the stories about Andy's and experienced everything that happened between Chris a