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beyondloadedSE
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Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295432 (Re: Tony2005) 08/07/06 07:07 PM

welcome.

Unless the Vortech is the revised kit or has the KnuKoncepts aftermarket jackshaft, it carries a 100% failure rate.

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Jim Hahn
1996 T-Red Contour SE Reborn 4/6/04
3.0L swap and Arizona Dyno Chip Turbo Kit
364 whp, 410 wtq @ 4,700 rpm


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scaryfast
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Loc: Superior, Colorado
Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295442 (Re: beyondloadedSE) 08/07/06 07:27 PM

Really? Do you have any supporting docs? How would i find out if its a revised kit, or what does the revised kit have over the original? Why do they fail 100%? Thanks!!!
-L

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Pudmunkie
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Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295496 (Re: scaryfast) 08/07/06 08:36 PM

they fail because of how the jackshaft meets the blower, Stock they dont align properly putting stress on the teeth which sheer off.

Ill buy it off that car and you wont have to worry about it

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Alex
'99 SVT Contour

-=|WANTED: Vortech, working or not |=-

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Harrry
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Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295532 (Re: Pudmunkie) 08/07/06 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
they fail because of how the jackshaft meets the blower, Stock they dont align properly putting stress on the teeth which sheer off.

Ill buy it off that car and you wont have to worry about it




You greedy man you. Then i guess if you get the SuperCharger. You won't need the headers from stazi's huh he he

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Pudmunkie
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Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295541 (Re: Harrry) 08/07/06 09:42 PM

Oh yeah, i still gotta go pick those up lmao.

What can I say,

I want it all.

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Alex
'99 SVT Contour

-=|WANTED: Vortech, working or not |=-

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Big Daddy Kane
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Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295556 (Re: scaryfast) 08/07/06 10:13 PM

Originally posted by scaryfast:
Originally posted by Big Daddy Kane:
I'm going to start off and give you advice like they're giving me on the Nissan boards about an SE-R Spec V I'm looking at...


Not gonna give you any reasons on why, even though I asked for reasons.

Seriously, though... I don't know how a Probe is, but a Contour is a finicky car that needs TLC, or it will bite you...

And no, my car doesn't burn oil! It leaks it, though

...however, that's caused by a previous mod... which was the Vortec S/C that is now gone.





So how does the advice Nissan guys give you apply to me? I'm a bit confused without any reasons.

Any car can be finiky, but you can also have reliable boosted transportation without drivablity issues. As long as you dont tip scales and push limits and do everything with quality in mind you'll be ok. I had a Probe GT with a Grand National turbo (non intercooled) pushing 268 to the wheels (7.5 psi) getting 25mpg as a daily driver with NO cels...then it got popped by a navigator.

Thanks for your advice tho..just dont see any reason in it.
-L

Oh and Plance1....i have not purchased anything yet! Have a link?





Negative... it just seems like they either
1) Don't wanna talk to me b/c I own a 'domestic' car
2) Don't know what they're talking about (like I'm assuming that they expect their 'factory performance car' to not have any quirks and be as reliable as their old 95 Camry)

However, the Duratec is a very reliable motor... I have never been stranded due a motor issue.

Now the tranny on the other hand... Being S/C, it should have a limited slip diff (LSD) installed... but if it doesn't, Your stock diff is going to die!

So you have 2 things to check out... if the car has the original jackshaft for the S/C, and if it has the stock diff.

Other than those, if the car has been taken care of, you have nothing to worry about.

Oh, and watch out on sharp right hand turns (think cloverleaf interstate exits) at high RPM... there is an 'issue' with the 2.5L heads that can starve the engine of oil. Pretty much it will collect in the head and not drain down, so the pump is only sucking air. Fix for this is to run 6.5L of oil.

...But don't treat it as a 95 Camry that went 200,000 miles with no maintainance...

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Goin' Round Traffic Circles @ 50Km/h!!!
\m/ -- 1998 E0 SVT #2119 of 6535
\m/ -- 2003 Sentra SE-R Spec V

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scaryfast
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Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295567 (Re: Big Daddy Kane) 08/07/06 10:49 PM

Quote:

However, the Duratec is a very reliable motor... I have never been stranded due a motor issue.




Now the tranny on the other hand... Being S/C, it should have a limited slip diff (LSD) installed... but if it doesn't, Your stock diff is going to die!

So you have 2 things to check out... if the car has the original jackshaft for the S/C, and if it has the stock diff.

Other than those, if the car has been taken care of, you have nothing to worry about.

Oh, and watch out on sharp right hand turns (think cloverleaf interstate exits) at high RPM... there is an 'issue' with the 2.5L heads that can starve the engine of oil. Pretty much it will collect in the head and not drain down, so the pump is only sucking air. Fix for this is to run 6.5L of oil.

...But don't treat it as a 95 Camry that went 200,000 miles with no maintainance...



Ah ha! You guys are so resourcefull!Thank you so much! So do you fit a different oil filter on the car to use 6.5L? I do that on my probe and have a corvette zr1 filter, the integra filters allow a bigger capacity as well.

It has the stock diff, not a lsd. The s/c has been on there for 6K miles, i'm not sure what kind of a meter that could be used for as far as failure goes (miles vs failure)

I will take very good care of the car if i do get it. My pgt has 175K and counting, if you only saw pics. Its so clean and doesnt burn any oil, this car would be kept up just as well, waxed 2 times a month and detailed on a weekly basis. (only premium gas and synthetic oil!)
-L

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path914
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Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295579 (Re: scaryfast) 08/07/06 11:10 PM

The stock diff has a tendancy to break with stock power, so with FI it is definitely recommended. You WILL need it and most likey a new clutch depending on mileage, so if you buy that car plan on spending at least $1000-$1500 in parts not including labor. Also, the upgraded jackshaft was a service offered by a member on this site and not Vortech. If it does not have this upgrade it is HIGHLY likely to fail in a short amount of time. This is why if you browse the FI forum you will notice that a huge majority of the FI CSVTs use the ADC turbo kit.



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Big Daddy Kane
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Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
#1295600 (Re: scaryfast) 08/07/06 11:23 PM

Originally posted by scaryfast:
Ah ha! You guys are so resourcefull!Thank you so much! So do you fit a different oil filter on the car to use 6.5L? I do that on my probe and have a corvette zr1 filter, the integra filters allow a bigger capacity as well.

It has the stock diff, not a lsd. The s/c has been on there for 6K miles, i'm not sure what kind of a meter that could be used for as far as failure goes (miles vs failure)


only premium gas




No special filter... just overfill it by 0.5L (or quarts, whatever...) to have the extra oil in the pan.

Pop the clutch a few times and the stock diff will implode...

Premium is your only choice anyway... On a lot of high end cars, they "recommend" premium (hence the fuel guage will say "Premium Fuel Recommended." On an SVT, you will see "PREMIUM FUEL ONLY" printed on there... for a reason!

And there is another important resource for you to check out: FCO. Terry Haines is who you want to get in contact with to get an LSD put in that tranny... pronto!

Oh, and you will become friendly with the 99-02 Cougar guys/gals as well since the cars are nearly 100% mechanically identical... However, they never got an "SVT" model, but the rest applies.

And you can start setting people straight (if you haven't done so already) that the 2.5L Mazda KL is not the same as a 2.5L Ford Duratec... I'm sure you've seen it time to time, we get it here also!

Specs on the 2 engines:

2.5L Duratec (except the slightly smaller 2000 version):
  • 2544cc
  • 82.4mm x 79.5mm (bore x stroke)

    2.5L KL
  • 2497cc
  • 84.5mm x 74.2mm (bore x stroke)

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    Goin' Round Traffic Circles @ 50Km/h!!!
    \m/ -- 1998 E0 SVT #2119 of 6535
    \m/ -- 2003 Sentra SE-R Spec V

    Edited by Big Daddy Kane (08/07/06 11:33 PM)

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  • scaryfast
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    Re: Newb debating on his first CSVT, advice? new
    #1295617 (Re: Big Daddy Kane) 08/07/06 11:44 PM

    We did get that a few times on the probe boards but its obvious by a longshot which is what. That KL engine is a champ tho, i love it! I've been a long time fan of the cougs and the contours, just about time i can get into one that i like. My mom used to have a 97 SE and my friend has a cougar, and i dig em both! I remember sitting at my local ford dealer when the SVT contours firt came out...from the second i caught that new car smell i was in love. Thanks also for all the info on the lsd, i'll have to crunch some numbers and see what i can do!
    -L

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