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StealthWyvern
Hard-core CEG'er

Reged: 09/25/02
Posts: 1308
Loc: Atlantic Beach, FL
Re: General Reliability new
#1278473 (Re: Nezerconezer) 07/14/06 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Nezerconezer:
I had all kinds of problems with my Mystique, it was a zetez and auto. Real lemon of a car. I purchased used at 34k miles I drove it hard and have run into some real problems.

My previous tempo on the other hand was as reliable as a rock, and was as fast as one too.

I purchased a 99 Mystique with 34k miles for $4000 in 2003 so if your play the waiting game you'll come out on top.




I purcahsed my old 97 stique 2.0 ATX for 4.5k with 32k on it in 2002. I beat the crap out of that car.. caught air going over railroad track more times then I care to admit and landing hard (Scrapping hard). The same car has also been on two wheels more times then i care to admit, ran into bar ditches more times than I care to admit. (Tryig to teach myself how get better controll of the car in the snow and slide situtaions. LOL)

And Not to mention I forgot to change the tranny fuild tell 120k!!!! The car ran fine and shifted fine uptell about 150k tell the drain pan plug came out going down the highway. The stupid car still ran after that! Grant it sounded like rocks in the engine but it got me 5 miles down the road and shifted fine, but man did that hurt the ears. Oh yeah I had to add oil to it every few blocks... I stopped the drain pan up with a cork.

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97 Mystquie GS - I4 ATX died at 168K
94 Pontiac Crap AM SE - 2.3L I4 5spd
2002 Mazda Protege5 - 2.0L ATX

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arin
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Reged: 02/26/06
Posts: 28
Re: General Reliability new
#1278592 (Re: StealthWyvern) 07/14/06 02:05 PM

Can someone give me some ideas of gas mileage on the zetec atx and duratec atx?

edit: Want another opinion of you guys:

96 GL Contour ATX Duratec
157,000 / Well Maintained w/ records
$1,900

How much life would you all think was left in that even if it was well maintained? Would I be better off sticking with the large amounts of ATX Zetecs w/90k I'm finding on autotrader?

Edited by arin (07/14/06 02:09 PM)

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Tony2005
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Reged: 06/19/05
Posts: 5345
Loc: Virginia, USA
Re: General Reliability new
#1279106 (Re: arin) 07/15/06 03:20 AM

Originally posted by arin:
Can someone give me some ideas of gas mileage on the ......duratec atx?

edit: Want another opinion of you guys:

96 GL Contour ATX Duratec
157,000 / Well Maintained w/ records
$1,900
...




18 city, 24 highway (when it is well maintained ).

Without know more about the options in the car, I would guess $1,400.

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"Always do the cheap and easy ones first."

1996 V6 ATX 96K miles


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Nezerconezer
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Reged: 07/04/06
Posts: 65
Loc: PHX AZ
Re: General Reliability new
#1279449 (Re: Tony2005) 07/15/06 11:13 PM

I got an average of 27 mpg out of the Auto zetec Mystique.

Worst 24 Best 29.5

And now I get 25 mpg Out of my SVT. Keep in mind that the SVT has a Duratec with a little weaker low end and a high gear ratio that makes the engine rev to high on the highway.
A normal Duratec I'd imagine would get a little bit better gas milage.

Worst 22, Best 26.

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kev.fitz
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Reged: 02/24/03
Posts: 175
Loc: Lyons, IL
Re: General Reliability new
#1279780 (Re: arin) 07/16/06 10:36 PM

I've had a zetec w/ auto for three years now with just a hair over 130,000 miles. As far as reliability, it really depends on the previous owners I believe.

I had to replace a timing belt $1200 (under warranty @ dealership), ABS computer(3500 under warranty @ dealership), three alternators in a row(warranty expired), master window switch, passenger window motor, track, and regulator (covered), and two wheel bearings (not covered). I think that most of my alternator problems were either from shipping or a poorly remanufactured unit. Now I just need to replace the drivers seat for a third time, new rear brakes, and suspension work.

As far as the Intrepids go, I've been seeing many (30+, no lie) Intrepids in this area that burn oil like a mother. Not sure about which engine is in them. It seems one of them has a bad head gasket problem. They all were the last generation styling.
EDIT: In doing a little research it looks like its the 2.7L V6, both Concorde and Intrepid 1998-2002.

If you end up buying from a dealership I think it would be in your best interest to get a warranty on the car, I did and it really paid off. It cost me $1200 plus $500 deductible, but they paid out over $5700 in repairs

my 2ยข

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98 Contour GL 4 cyl 131,000 miles
- 57,000 w/o a CEL!

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arin
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Posts: 28
Re: General Reliability new
#1279868 (Re: kev.fitz) 07/17/06 01:19 AM

I'll be looking for a warranty, but I havent seen many vehicles at this low of a price(2k) that are at dealerships. I've found a few on autotrader that I will be looking at more closely, though. Does anyone ahve any more info on the alternators? Is this a known problem??


Yeah, I knew the 2.7 intrepids burn oil and get oil sludge; it's a known problem with that certain engine. I would be looking at the first gens(93-97), which dont have that problem if I were to go the Intrepid way.


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pre98zetec
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Reged: 09/03/04
Posts: 498
Loc: Kennedy, New York
Re: General Reliability new
#1279872 (Re: arin) 07/17/06 01:24 AM

Originally posted by arin:
Does anyone ahve any more info on the alternators? Is this a known problem??




I have 150k on my stock altenator and i have a stereo system in my car too, never had a problem, not even a slight dim at night when the stereos up loud.

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96' ATX Zetec- stock

96' ATX Zetec- Modded

Kenwood KDC-319
5.75"-2 MTX 12's
Roady XT
Custom door panels
Mystique Cluster/oil pressure

Getting repainted(in primer)
Pre98 Lip
SE skirts
Mystique front lip
dingless
badgeless

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Big Daddy Kane
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Reged: 07/22/03
Posts: 3816
Loc: Ramstein AB, Germany
Re: General Reliability new
#1280211 (Re: pre98zetec) 07/17/06 04:08 PM

Originally posted by pre98zetec:
Originally posted by arin:
Does anyone ahve any more info on the alternators? Is this a known problem??




I have 150k on my stock altenator and i have a stereo system in my car too, never had a problem, not even a slight dim at night when the stereos up loud.




I think the problem alternators are remanufactured units since all they replace in one that was turned in is what was bad on it.

Like say the voltage regulator went bad. All they're going to replace is the regulator, even though the bearings may be on the way out (say the alternator was pulled from a 250K mile car).

The only way to know if the alternator is all good is to buy a new one. If you don't wanna do that, at least get a reman with a lifetime warranty and have them bench test each one before they hand it to you.

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Goin' Round Traffic Circles @ 50Km/h!!!
\m/ -- 1998 E0 SVT #2119 of 6535
\m/ -- 2003 Sentra SE-R Spec V

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arin
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Re: General Reliability new
#1280468 (Re: Big Daddy Kane) 07/17/06 10:27 PM

So, there's not much of a major reliability difference between the 6 and 4? I think I may shop around for the 6..

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ZeroHour
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Reged: 02/08/05
Posts: 1119
Loc: Eastern PA
Re: General Reliability new
#1280479 (Re: arin) 07/17/06 10:48 PM

I think the largest reliability problem would be the atx transmission attached to either motor. The atx in the zetec is slow so it will abused to anyone without the patience for the car to accelerate. The atx on the duratec will take some spirit driving, but its still an atx and will die under abuse.

The two blocks both go for a good longevity with regular maintenance. Rarely do you ever see a post about head gaskets, bad/bent values, falled bearings, etc. I'm not really sure the weakest points on the zetec, but the duratec would we the evil long right handed turns at high speed causing oil starvation. But I have seen that maybe twice on ceg? You really need to on the car in a right hand turn to do this.

The regular aging car issues apply, alternators seem to be a big one. The water pump with a plastic impellor. Usually see some AC issues. The sunroof gear has a fault with the worm gear as well. BUT you need to remember the newest model would be 2002, if you find it from a state auction. Most models are 2000 back so your looking at least 6 years old. So most problems are general problems with any car.

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1998 SE Duratec V6 ATX
Ebay intake with K&N Filter
Trubendz Exhaust
Custom Hood

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