Bradness
(CEG\'er)
07/16/04 04:16 PM
Tubular toe control arms

We have just finished the first prototype set of tubular toe control arms. They will be offered in 2 styles-1 with polyurethane bushings at each end and 1 with an adjustable spherical rod end at the knuckle. They are fabricated from high strength, seamless tube, TIG welded and weigh 1/3 less than the stock arms.

We will be track testing them next weekend. Pricing has yet to be set. The poly bushings are easily replaceable (unlike the stock arms). They will not twist or bend like the trouble prone stock stamped pieces.

Please post if you're interested so we can establish quantities & prices before doing our first production run. Digipics shortly.


Speed Demons
(Veteran CEG\'er)
07/16/04 04:19 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Interested...

Livinsvt
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
07/16/04 04:25 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Yes intrested. But I didn't know you guys were in buiness still. Whats the eta?

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
07/16/04 05:58 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Yes, we're still in biz. Been trying to refocus on a limited number of products so there was some down time within the last year or so. It didn't help that my partners SVT was written off either.

The toe control arms will take 2 to 4 weeks to run off depending on how many orders and which style go. There's more labour/machining in the double poly bushed type. Forgot to mention that they're greasable with a grease fitting at each bushing.

They're also easily installed, unlike the forward rear control arms which require dropping the complete subframe to access the inner mounting nut/bolt assembly. A rear alignment IS suggested after installation.


UPSTART-SVT
(CEG\'er)
07/16/04 06:16 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I'd like to know more info, but it sounds good.

timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
07/16/04 11:01 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Can I get a set?

Kremithefrog
(I have no life)
07/17/04 03:52 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I'd like to know more.

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
07/19/04 04:12 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

For those who'd like more info.... What can I provide/tell you? Is there a preference whether they have a spherical rod end or polyurethane at both ends? Obviously, the rod end type would be more $$$. My guess is that the double poly style will allow less twist than the rod end ones.

Let me know.


Kremithefrog
(I have no life)
07/19/04 05:29 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

What are the advantages and what is a good price estimate? Thanks.

sonza68
(CEG\'er)
07/19/04 06:20 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Interested, but it is dependant on final pricing.

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
07/20/04 04:31 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Advantages would be greatly improved rear suspension control and grip. Suspension members should operate in a single plane for best results. Both lateral rear suspension arms are prone to twist-I boxed the forward control arms on my car and it made a very noticeable improvement to the handling and ride. Got sick and tired of replacing the toe control arms when the bushings failed or some dope lifted my car up via the toe control arms and bent them.

Cost-wise we're looking at something like $125-135 for the double poly bushed type and $170-200 for the poly/spherical rod end type. The large variance in the second design is dependent on the type of rod end we supply (econo, w/ grease fitting, 2 piece, 3 piece or teflon lined). They will be offered at some kind of "special introductory" price with minimum quantities.


Kremithefrog
(I have no life)
07/21/04 05:21 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Is that $125 each or for a set and how easy/hard are they to install? Thanks.

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
07/21/04 08:00 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

The prices I've quoted are per pair. They're very easy to install. Raise the rear of the car, insert jack stands or wooden blocks, remove 2 nut/bolts per side and remove stock arms. Reverse procedure to install then go for a rear wheel alignment (toe adjustment).

Sound OK?


Kremithefrog
(I have no life)
07/21/04 09:34 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Sounds good to me.

Livinsvt
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
07/21/04 10:38 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Intrested

contoursvt11
(CEG\'er)
07/21/04 11:01 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Intrested.

Got any pics?


99 red SVT
(CEG\'er)
07/22/04 12:04 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Interested.

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
07/22/04 04:23 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

OK, the pics will be taken this weekend when I can borrow a digicam. Should be able to post them early next week. To date, the double polyurethane bushed style are all that are done. The spherical rod end type are at the welders as I speak-I'm to pick them up on Monday 7/26. I'll paint them, then take pics and post. So there will be much more info. by the middle of next week. I'll probably post the pics here and run a group buy when I'm certain they're durable and roadworthy. Stay tuned.....

svt4b
(Veteran CEG\'er)
07/23/04 01:10 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

im interested once i see pics. ive been wanting to replace mine for a long time since they are like the only thing thats rusting under my car and the bushings at the pivot point in the middles are toast. seems like a good price too

Plastique_synthetiX
(Veteran CEG\'er)
07/23/04 01:52 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

You see, I would be very interested, but I ordered something from you guys last year, and you never sent it to me. When I tried to reach you on the phone you guys never answered.

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
07/23/04 04:28 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

As I mentioned earlier, we had downtime last year when we were figuring out whether to stay in business, reorganize, shut down or..... We decided to scale down the amount of items we supply and concentrate on our exclusive parts. Stuff like the Street Link, modified throttle bodies & LIM's, air inlet kits, suspension parts, etc.

Anyhow, if you wish info. or to place an order email me at tech@performancefords.com. Our sales dept. can be slow to reply sometimes.


Livinsvt
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
07/24/04 04:23 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by Bradness:

Our sales dept. can be slow to reply sometimes.




I think that was most peoples biggest problem with your company, let hope this time around is better


JonnySVT
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
07/24/04 04:50 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Quote:

Our sales dept. can be slow to reply sometimes.



I would say, in my experience, slow is an understatement. I would shoot more towards I was lucky if I got a response after a month or two. I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt though, when I did get in contact with you guys, there weren't many hassles and Alex was always pleasant.

Bradness, PM me please. I still have a Brullen y pipe that didn't fit and been taking up space in my room. Alex emailed me a month or two ago about it, but as I said above, never responded back after that.


dubkatz
(Hard-core CEG'er)
07/24/04 07:36 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

In regards to handling. any idea how this will effect understeer/oversteer?
The last thing i need is more understeer.


MapOfTaziFoSho
(Hard-core CEG'er)
07/26/04 03:43 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Interested.

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
07/26/04 04:22 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

In terms of handling.... I'll know for sure very soon. Theoretically speaking, they will stiffen the rear as poly is stiffer than the rubber bushings that Ford uses. Therefore, they will add oversteer albeit not much.

AS the PF company techie, I ride Alex just like you guys do. Stuff sent my way will usuallly get priority-so keep the letters, faxes and emails coming!


timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
07/28/04 02:30 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Here are the pics of the arms both un-installed and installed. I'll give you all some feedback on what I think about now once I've put a few days and Km's on them and then again after I hit the track again on Monday. I appologize for the not-so-crisp close ups. I think I forgot to turn on the macro focus on my camera.















RTStabler51
(Hard-core CEG'er)
07/28/04 03:30 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Looking good!

UPSTART-SVT
(CEG\'er)
08/02/04 01:55 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Nice. I like to hear how they work on the track.
Would like to get rid of the stock crap bars.


TSIN03SE
(CEG\'er)
08/10/04 06:05 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I'm thinking out loud here, since the toe link is behind the rear wheel centerline and the new link is solid, thus stronger, this modification will add more understeer characteristic to the vehicle while cornering. This may result in more stable vehicle through the turns and more self-correction over bumps.

Only real-life testing will bear this out( or dispell it ) with certainty.


GrandMasterKhan
(CEG\'er)
08/27/04 05:11 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Count me in!

SVT4Door
(New CEG\'er)
08/28/04 12:58 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I am in the process in upgrading my suspension right now. I'm interested but am waiting to hear how the track testing goes. Also curious what the final pricing is. Are there any after market front control arms for our cars?

dallasb84
(CEG\'er)
08/28/04 06:30 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

count me in i will be paying next 15th i want the better ones. ive been through 3 of these ford swing arms

sonza68
(CEG\'er)
09/15/04 02:17 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Any updates on these?

I-Dom-In-VIII
(Hard-core CEG'er)
09/15/04 02:37 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Very intrested.

Lee
(CEG\'er)
09/15/04 07:05 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Also very interested.

I-Dom-In-VIII
(Hard-core CEG'er)
09/19/04 09:27 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Any updates

Loco4G63
(CEG road warrior)
09/20/04 03:15 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

This sounds interesting!

timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
09/20/04 11:58 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I'm in the process of accquiring another set to test at the track with rod ends at one end and a bushing at the other. The last set held up very well with the abuse of a few track days and once I have had a chance to test this style I will fill you guy in on my thoughts.

Entertainment
(New CEG\'er)
09/20/04 08:15 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

keep me posted if i loose track.

GTO Pete
(Hard-core CEG'er)
09/20/04 09:17 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Very intrested.




RTStabler51
(Hard-core CEG'er)
09/21/04 04:36 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

believe it when I see it, then I'll be interested.

Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Very intrested.







timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
09/21/04 05:10 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by RTStabler51:
believe it when I see it, then I'll be interested.

Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Very intrested.











Look a few pages back at the pics of prototypes installed on my car. What's not to believe?


GTO Pete
(Hard-core CEG'er)
09/21/04 05:36 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by timeless420:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
believe it when I see it, then I'll be interested.

Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Very intrested.











Look a few pages back at the pics of prototypes installed on my car. What's not to believe?



Ignore him - he's not a people person.


Kremithefrog
(I have no life)
09/21/04 09:23 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Originally posted by timeless420:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
believe it when I see it, then I'll be interested.

Originally posted by SVT PETE:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Very intrested.











Look a few pages back at the pics of prototypes installed on my car. What's not to believe?



Ignore him - he's not a people person.



LOL!


PaulDaJedi
(New CEG\'er)
09/25/04 03:19 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I would be interested as well.

chikmagnet340
(CEG\'er)
09/27/04 03:22 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by PaulDaJedi:
I would be interested as well.




ditto


timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
10/04/04 02:44 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Well here you guys go. This is a new style I now have installed on my car and I will be testing this weekend at the track. After that I will give you guys my feedback on how they compare to stock.



















I'll let bradness chime in on pricing


DemonSVT
(Hard-core CEG'er)
10/04/04 03:48 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Just one question...

WHERE THE F#(% ARE MINE!!!


Looks good...


I-Dom-In-VIII
(Hard-core CEG'er)
10/05/04 01:12 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Just one question...

WHERE THE F#(% ARE MINE!!!


Looks good...




Loco4G63
(CEG road warrior)
10/05/04 01:29 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Just one question...

WHERE THE F#(% ARE MINE!!!


Looks good...


I like everything......but the girly "baby blue!"

timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
10/05/04 01:43 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I don't think the production ones will be that color. The powder coat was supposed to be Ford Racing blue but when baked it turned out lighter

I-Dom-In-VIII
(Hard-core CEG'er)
10/05/04 01:47 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by timeless420:
I don't think the production ones will be that color. The powder coat was supposed to be Ford Racing blue but when baked it turned out lighter




I would really like to see a Nice red.... Would go with my H&Rs lol


Loco4G63
(CEG road warrior)
10/05/04 02:05 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Originally posted by timeless420:
I don't think the production ones will be that color. The powder coat was supposed to be Ford Racing blue but when baked it turned out lighter




I would really like to see a Nice red.... Would go with my H&Rs lol


Red or black would be fine with me.

MapOfTaziFoSho
(Hard-core CEG'er)
10/09/04 05:26 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I like that you zurk'd em so to speak. I'm interested!

ExDelayed
(Hard-core CEG'er)
10/10/04 12:14 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Still intrested, even if they are baby blue.

timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
10/10/04 01:24 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

You guys should have an update from me around Tuesday. I'm heading to the track on Monday

Wildmatt CSVT
(CEG\'er)
10/14/04 02:51 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

What's the deal with these. I need a set, like yesterday. My stockers are bent.

timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
10/14/04 05:39 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Ok guys here's a snipit of a post brad made on neco

Projected price, provided I get at least 5 orders will be between $185 & 210 USD. The discrepancy comes from the 2 options. They will be available with at least 2 different types of rod ends - an 2 pc. economy or 3 pc. greasable and possibly a Teflon lined type. Also, there will be an upgrade from the std. cadmium plated bushing to a stainless bushing at the pivot point (subframe end). Time to deliver goes like this: order and receive materials, 1 wk.;machining and welding, 1-2 wks.; painting and final assembly, 1 wk.

They're fabricated from seamless DOM tubing and TIG welded. I may powder coat them, but this will add some time to delivery. They use a replaceable polyurethane bushing at the subframe mounting point and have a grease fitting for quiet operation. Expect a bit of extra stiffness, but much tighter feel. Although they're way stronger than the stock crap, I do not recommend jacking the car by the arms. They're adjustable and shipped in the stock length. It's recommended that you get a rr. suspension alignment after installation.

I was planning to do a single run in 1 colour, probably black. Yes this makes the whole process quicker & easier for me. Upon further thought, I'll consider doing 3 different colours but it could extend delivery time. Arrest me Red, Ford Blue and gloss Black. Lets see how many orders and what colours everyone wants first.


As for my testing on Monday, I was horribly sick and didn't make it out to the track. However from driving on these for the past week and a half and from when I tested the last set on track back in August I can tell you that you will experience maybe a little bit more harshness from broken pavement (this is due to the better poly bushings and surprisingly the rod end set didn't add any additional harshness) but this is far out weighed but the amount of feedback thse give you about what the rear end is doing. You can really feel the rear wheels making contact with the road when cornering and driving back to back comparing the sotck arms to these was actually very enlightening.

The last set I had held up amazing on the track. We put them back in the just a few weeks after and they were still perfect, unlike the stock arms.

I'll let Brad chime in when they are ready to go on sale and prices are finalized

More info can be found over on the NECO post


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
10/15/04 10:50 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I'll post all the details on monday 10/18 for those interested. There will be 2 colours available with optional stainless hardware upgrades. I'm still checking the cost and availability of upgraded rod ends.

TBA


Wildmatt CSVT
(CEG\'er)
10/15/04 01:38 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

what about the non-adjustable ones, are they an option, or what? Maine winters and heim joints do not go well together.

bnoon
(Redneck Troll)
10/15/04 03:30 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by timeless420:
I don't think the production ones will be that color. The powder coat was supposed to be Ford Racing blue but when baked it turned out lighter




There are two colors of Ford Racing Blue, one dark and one light. The light color is shown. The darker Ford Racing Blue is almost navy, even when cured.


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
10/15/04 04:13 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Nope, I'm not going to do both styles. It will just end up taking me longer and complicating the whole process. However, I do have a single set which I may be willing to part with at some point in the future.

You think Maine winters are bad? They're not pretty up here either in the Great White North! If they didn't use road salt like it was going out of style, it wouldn't be as bad....

I may be able to source seals which will cover the rod ends. However, they aren't cheap as they come from an aircraft supplier and 4 will be req'd. Add something like $15-20 for a set.


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
10/18/04 08:16 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Here are the details. If you're interested in buying a set of the tubular adjustable toe control arms as pictured here email me at redcoatracing@yahoo.ca. I need your name, shipping address (including Zip/Postal code) and phone no. The base cost (economy rod ends & plated bushings) will be $185 USD plus shipping. Options will be stainless bushings at the subframe mount (+$20) and the heavy duty 3 piece, greasable rod ends (+$20). Make sure you also specify your first and second choice for colour. I'll make them in 2 different colours from Ford blue, arrest me red and black. Delivery will be approx. 4 weeks. I'll repost here on friday with the requests/replies at that time. I need a minimum of 5 orders for this to fly at these prices and I'll run the group buy for 1 wk. After the group buy the price will be higher.

SVT SNOB
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
10/19/04 12:16 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Brad I would be down for the set if I had the money hopefully you will be doing this again. I see your car around Burlington alot but you never wave back.

Aaron


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
10/19/04 04:06 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Sorry Aaron. I'm not being ignorant, probably off in my own little world. Your car is certainly unlike any other Mystiques out there! You've been a good customer, so give me a call and we'll work something out for you.

SVT SNOB
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
10/19/04 11:54 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Brad, no worries, I will give you a call or shoot you an e-mail within the next week

Thanks,

Aaron


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
10/20/04 05:28 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Hey Aaron. Calling is good, but my old hotmail address is long gone.... You can use the yahoo.ca though. Talk to you later.

GrandMasterKhan
(CEG\'er)
11/01/04 04:59 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I will be up for a set of these, but it will be about 2-3 weeks before i can order

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
11/03/04 07:20 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

As is the usual case on these boards, the amount of orders has been underwhelming compared to the interest shown. However, I'm in the process of making up 5 sets and once they're gone the price will be higher to reflect material cost increases. Therefore, first come first served for the first 5 pairs.

Black is the colour of choice and everyone who's placed an order wanted the HD rod ends (good choice).


TourDeForce
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/05/04 04:19 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I am in the process of upgrading my suspension & was interested in these, but I can't see any of the pictures because the hosting site is off limits as decreed by our IS department. Could somebody be so kind as to e-mail the pictures to me??

jimr@jupiter.fl.us


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
11/05/04 05:33 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I would if I knew how, but my hand skills are more oriented to welding, machining, etc. vs. working a PC keyboard.

Let me see what I can do for you-be patient.


TourDeForce
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/05/04 08:50 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by Bradness:
I would if I knew how, but my hand skills are more oriented to welding, machining, etc. vs. working a PC keyboard.

Let me see what I can do for you-be patient.




Thanks Brad. Anybody who can see the pictures could just copy-n-paste into an e-mail for me. It might get as hard as having to click on the little paperclip thingie and dragging them into the attachments window.


I-Dom-In-VIII
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/06/04 01:45 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Heres my thing 1st you said it will be around $125-135 and i was game at that price and i would buy a set.

Originally posted by Bradness:
Cost-wise we're looking at something like $125-135 for the double poly bushed type and $170-200 for the poly/spherical rod end type. The large variance in the second design is dependent on the type of rod end we supply (econo, w/ grease fitting, 2 piece, 3 piece or teflon lined). They will be offered at some kind of "special introductory" price with minimum quantities.





And now your saying its going to be 185 thats 50bucks more then what you thought they would be.. At that rate im out...


Originally posted by Bradness:
Here are the details. If you're interested in buying a set of the tubular adjustable toe control arms as pictured here email me at redcoatracing@yahoo.ca. I need your name, shipping address (including Zip/Postal code) and phone no. The base cost (economy rod ends & plated bushings) will be $185 USD plus shipping. Options will be stainless bushings at the subframe mount (+$20) and the heavy duty 3 piece, greasable rod ends (+$20). Make sure you also specify your first and second choice for colour. I'll make them in 2 different colours from Ford blue, arrest me red and black. Delivery will be approx. 4 weeks. I'll repost here on friday with the requests/replies at that time. I need a minimum of 5 orders for this to fly at these prices and I'll run the group buy for 1 wk. After the group buy the price will be higher.




Loco4G63
(CEG road warrior)
11/06/04 02:20 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I'd be buying some but I got replace some audio equipment that was stolen last week.

Livinsvt
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/06/04 05:27 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Heres my thing 1st you said it will be around $125-135 and i was game at that price and i would buy a set.

Originally posted by Bradness:
Cost-wise we're looking at something like $125-135 for the double poly bushed type and $170-200 for the poly/spherical rod end type. The large variance in the second design is dependent on the type of rod end we supply (econo, w/ grease fitting, 2 piece, 3 piece or teflon lined). They will be offered at some kind of "special introductory" price with minimum quantities.





And now your saying its going to be 185 thats 50bucks more then what you thought they would be.. At that rate im out...






Ah bro, he said between $170-200 for rod end style, 135ish for poly bushing style. The ones he is selling are the rod end style, so price is right .

Are these planning on being limited time only. I would be intrested after the holidays have passed. Thanks


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
11/06/04 07:57 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Thanks livinsvt! I do my best to provide honest answers, responses and estimates on the parts I fabricate. I did make 1 prototype set of each type of arms, however when I added in the extra labour costs in making the double poly bushed type they ended up costing almost as much as the (superior) spherical rod end type.

Yes, I'll have a set available in the New Year especially for you. I do plan on making them on a semi-regular basis, but will not carry more than 1 or 2 sets in inventory. The ones in inventory will be whatever colour I have at that time.


I-Dom-In-VIII
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/07/04 04:41 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Heres my thing 1st you said it will be around $125-135 and i was game at that price and i would buy a set.

Originally posted by Bradness:
Cost-wise we're looking at something like $125-135 for the double poly bushed type and $170-200 for the poly/spherical rod end type. The large variance in the second design is dependent on the type of rod end we supply (econo, w/ grease fitting, 2 piece, 3 piece or teflon lined). They will be offered at some kind of "special introductory" price with minimum quantities.





And now your saying its going to be 185 thats 50bucks more then what you thought they would be.. At that rate im out...






Ah bro, he said between $170-200 for rod end style, 135ish for poly bushing style. The ones he is selling are the rod end style, so price is right .

Are these planning on being limited time only. I would be intrested after the holidays have passed. Thanks




Then these are what i want......


Livinsvt
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/07/04 05:27 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Originally posted by livinsvt:
Originally posted by I-Dom-In-8:
Heres my thing 1st you said it will be around $125-135 and i was game at that price and i would buy a set.

Originally posted by Bradness:
Cost-wise we're looking at something like $125-135 for the double poly bushed type and $170-200 for the poly/spherical rod end type. The large variance in the second design is dependent on the type of rod end we supply (econo, w/ grease fitting, 2 piece, 3 piece or teflon lined). They will be offered at some kind of "special introductory" price with minimum quantities.





And now your saying its going to be 185 thats 50bucks more then what you thought they would be.. At that rate im out...






Ah bro, he said between $170-200 for rod end style, 135ish for poly bushing style. The ones he is selling are the rod end style, so price is right .

Are these planning on being limited time only. I would be intrested after the holidays have passed. Thanks




Then these are what i want......




Read above. Not worth the costs. Sperical ends are the superiour ends, so thats what will be used.

Bradness, you have a pm


scottd60
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/18/04 04:16 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

PM sent...would really like them in red!

Scott


scottd60
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
12/04/04 10:17 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Ordered 2 set's, one for me and one for SVT Pete.

Now the wait begins...

This Spring my car will see some major suspension upgrades
1. BAT 21mm rear bar
2. Stazi S/S end links
3. Energy Suspension bushings
4. Koni's
5. Tubular toe control arms
6. Boxed rear control arms
7. May replace Eibach's with Ground Controls?

Scott


RogerB
(Hard-core CEG'er)
12/06/04 05:46 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Anybody know if these are legal for SCCA Solo II, STS?

If they are, I'm in trouble.


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
12/06/04 09:12 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I've sold the first lot of 5 sets now and wanted to thank all interested parties. Due to the demand shown I will continue to fabricate them, although I expect the cost to be higher the next time I source materials.

There may be a lightweight version coming.....


jthursby
(CEG\'er)
12/07/04 03:57 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

can anyone post some of the pics?

timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
12/07/04 04:59 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Sorry...I'll throw them back up when I had time. Had to do some configuration on my server the other week and took out part

timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
12/10/04 07:16 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Pics are back up. I'm too tired to link them all so you can just view them all here.

svtProdigy
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
01/03/05 10:50 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

If you can call me and i can send you paypal or credit card and i don't have to wait forever, i will buy. 1(630)643-8669 thanks Brian

svtProdigy
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
01/03/05 10:55 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

light weight version please..

Swazo
(Hard-core CEG'er)
01/04/05 01:22 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Just when I think that I was done clearing my "to buy" list......these come out The nerve





Bradness
(CEG\'er)
01/04/05 04:20 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

I've just about finished the initial run of tubular toe control arms. To all who've ordered them, thank you for your patience as it's taken longer than anticipated mostly due to XMas/New Years closures.

My plan was to continue to fabricate them, but in small lots of 2 or 3 pairs at a time. This will be a bit more costly, due to the better costs I receive when ordering materials in bulk. However, if there's enough interest to do another set of 5 I can minimize material cost increases.

Post, PM or email me if interested.



morbid
(Veteran CEG\'er)
01/07/05 05:42 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

How much will the next order cost.. with the HD end link?

Saved up for a failed aussie bar purchase... now I need to spend that money on something else


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
01/10/05 05:19 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Morbid: There will be an increase of $5 for the arms themselves and $5 if you wish the stainless bushing/hardware option.

I'm only going to offer them with the HD rod end anyways.

PM or email me if you're interested.


scottd60
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
02/02/05 07:32 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Received the 1st of two sets of Brad's Tubular Toe Control Arms the other day. One set is for me and the other for "SVT PETE". I must say these are absolutely 1st class. I can't wait to install them along with my other new suspension parts early Spring.

Thanks again to Brad for manufacturing these

Here are a few pic's...







Bradness
(CEG\'er)
02/02/05 08:55 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Thanks for posting Scott. I've rec'd similiar emails from all who have rec'd them so far. Seems that winter weather is making it difficult for most to install them.

In the mean time I'm doing another run of 5. As I mentioned there will be a small cost increase to those interested in the next run ($5 base + $5 for the SS option). They'll be available in any colour you wish as long as it's Black!


Thinkmoto
(Hard-core CEG'er)
02/07/05 05:28 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

What are you using for materials for the tubes...chromoly steel or SS?

Big Daddy Kane
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
02/16/05 11:49 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Well recieved mine about 1 or 2 weeks ago. I was planning on installing them and taking side by side pics of what stock to these look like. These look to be of very high quality. I'll have to take em when I get back next winter. Oh well.

Awesome, though.


Big Daddy Kane
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
04/07/05 07:11 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Well, I'm bored, so I decided to take pics of them anyway. So this is what the black ones look like:









I was sitting here looking at the red ones and thinking of how hard it would be to make these looking back on high school metal shop... So I decided to whore them.


MapOfTaziFoSho
(Hard-core CEG'er)
10/31/05 02:35 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Are these still being made? Flamesuit on for not feeling like reading the whole fuggin thread.

Okay, I read it. Bradness would you be interested in another run? Any 5 ppl want in on these?


Auto-X Fil
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
10/31/05 02:41 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Originally posted by RogerB:
Anybody know if these are legal for SCCA Solo II, STS?

If they are, I'm in trouble.




Pretty sure these would put you in SM. Now, the front control arm would be good as long as it has poly/delrin bushings with no more metal than the original, and are adjustable for camber. Unfortunetally, I don't see them getting made.


R_G
(Hard-core CEG'er)
10/31/05 11:16 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho™:
Bradness would you be interested in another run? Any 5 ppl want in on these?




Yup, like I posted in another thread, I am down.


Big Daddy Kane
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/01/05 12:21 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Originally posted by R_G:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho™:
Bradness would you be interested in another run? Any 5 ppl want in on these?




Yup, like I posted in another thread, I am down.




Tomorrow if my halfshaft install goes well, I should also be changing the oil up on a rack, so I'll snap some pics of them installed on the car.


warmonger
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/01/05 01:08 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

Very nice looking stuff Brad...as usual.


MapOfTaziFoSho
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/01/05 05:33 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Somebody has them for sale in the classifieds for 225$...I thought these sold for 185$ ??

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
11/01/05 12:10 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

To all who are interested in my TCA's-they're still available although I'm running them off in small batches of 2-4 prs.

I (think) I have 2 pr.'s available from stock and another pr. ready to go to the TIG welder. Stuff from inventory will be shipped in under a wk. Any fabricating/welding/powder painting takes about 3 wks.

Yes, the price has risen from my initial offering. Materials have gone up a bit, but what's really hurt me is the drop in the US $. 95% of my materials are sourced here as well as the machining, welding and powder painting which must be paid in Canadian bucks. C'est la vie.

There will be a website coming shortly with all my fabricated products for Contours, Mondeos & Cougars.

PM or email me if interested. Got 1 person already.



R_G
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/01/05 06:23 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho™:
Somebody has them for sale in the classifieds for 225$...I thought these sold for 185$ ??




That's Lee. I didn't get 'em from him like 2 months ago when it first appeared in the Class. - precisely for the same reason; but I am not sure about $185, I guess it was more...


Big Daddy Kane
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/01/05 07:59 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

I paid like $220-$240 or something for mine...

Big Daddy Kane
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/02/05 07:10 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

So since I had the car on a lift so I could do my halfshaft and oil, took a few shots of the tubular arms installed... enjoy:

Big shot of both of em:


Inside part:




Do they make little covers for the lube points so they don't get all grimy?


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
11/02/05 11:41 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

My first post on the TCA's offered them at a base price of $185 which included an economy type rod end. Stepping up to a heavy duty rod end was optional at $20. Since no one ever bought them with the econo rod end I do not offer it any longer and the price reflects this accordingly.

I also offered (& continue to do so) an additional cost stainless bushing & hardware option, which most people have requested also. This explains why the prices are different-plus my material costs have risen a bit since I first ran them off.


R_G
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/02/05 04:16 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Brad - your stuff looks like a great and high quality piece of work, thanks for continuing to help us. I wish you could make some more stuff for Contiques.

Kane - thanks, very useful pix; so how long it took you personally to put 'em in? Like 40 minutes?


Big Daddy Kane
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/02/05 11:23 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Originally posted by R_G:
Kane - thanks, very useful pix; so how long it took you personally to put 'em in? Like 40 minutes?




I didn't... I had the tire shop put them in when they did the new tires and had an alignment.

But... they are very quick to change out. I've bent my original passenger one and swapped it out in probly 20 minutes once the car was jacked up.

I was suprised when I got done... I figured it would be harder.


path914
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/04/05 08:23 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

So, have you noticed any difference?

Big Daddy Kane
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/04/05 10:32 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Originally posted by path914:
So, have you noticed any difference?




Not really... since the tires I have now have less grip than the old ones, unless the arms are doing their job...

At least I know they're not going to bend as easily.


Bradness
(CEG\'er)
11/09/05 01:42 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

This thread has been going a long time and I may have explained this earlier but a bit of product development info......

I first looked at doing modified main control arms. Took the stockers off and showed them to a stock car and hot rod builder who strictly does custom chassis & suspension work. My plan was to fabricate tubular arms but he told me that a fully boxed rectangular section arm was just as strong as tubular. Plus there were other issues I was uncomfortable with: how to mount the end link; installation of main arms requires dropping the subframe for bolt removal; potential failure due to the fact that the main arms carry the majority of the rear suspension loads. Then add in the fact that the stock Ford toe control arms are flimsy, disposable products, relatively simple to install and the decision was made for me.

There are some comments & opinions of the tubular TCA's on the NECO board by at least 1 fellow who autocrosses his Cougar. If you cannot find it PM me and I'll see if I can find the link.


Blackcoog
(Veteran CEG\'er)
11/09/05 05:13 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Why would you need to drop the subframe to get the A-arms out? You can just cut the bolt on the transmission side and run the new bolt in from under neath when you install it.

timeless420
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
11/09/05 05:22 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Originally posted by Blackcoog:
Why would you need to drop the subframe to get the A-arms out? You can just cut the bolt on the transmission side and run the new bolt in from under neath when you install it.




I think you are takling about the front A-arms, and Brad was talking about the rear control arm (box-like arm).

Now about what you suggested, I won't get into this fully, but think about it this way. With the bolts in from the top, if the nut backs off you are still okay, if they are inserted through the bottom and the nut backs off, out drops the bolt and you can take it from there....

Brad and myself see eye to eye on this and discussed it a while back.



R_G
(Hard-core CEG'er)
11/26/05 01:26 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Got my TCAs from Brad. Looks amazing - gotta post more after I put 'em on.

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
06/06/06 08:02 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

This thread is kinda' old but still hanging around.

Anyhow, I've got some excess inventory (3 prs.) of these arms which I'm unloading at a sale price. They normally sell for $225 plus options & shipping. I'll let them go for $200 US plus shipping. They come with zinc plated sleeve/bushings/hardware and are painted black. 1 pair has a small paint blemish which is nearly completely hidden by the poly bushings, another has a very light silver speckle in the black powder paint only apparent when looking closely. The painter didn't clean out the gun fully.

Payment to be by Money Order or personal cheque. Sorry but Paypal skims too much for me to make this offer and use them for payment.

Anyone interested should PM or email me.


KingpinSVT
(Addicted CEG\'er)
06/06/06 11:06 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

I am still interested, however I am about to leave the country for 1 month so this isnt the best time for me. . . .

I was also thinking getting a few other parts from you at the same time and just do one big fun purchase.


ExDelayed
(Hard-core CEG'er)
06/07/06 07:10 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Im still happy with mine. They are moving over to my Cougar as soon as it comes home.

Bradness
(CEG\'er)
06/07/06 12:23 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Hey Jon. You getting rid of (1) your Contours or simply adding to the fleet?

I'm happy to advise that the first set I put into service nearly 2 yrs. ago are still going strong. They've seen 2 local winters c/w slush, salt, sand, snow, etc. as is the norm around here.

Glad that everyone likes 'em.


ExDelayed
(Hard-core CEG'er)
06/08/06 06:13 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

The `98 was a builder, the `96 is up in the air and the Cougar is the `96's replacement, only with a V6, leather and a better color. Still need to keep a toy since the Volvo handles the twisties best if its parked and I am looking at them.

CSVT
(Newbie)
06/09/06 06:55 AM
Re: Tubular toe control arms

YES! Looking to replace my shot lower control arms ASAP. Please bring to market now and let me know when you do!

Big Daddy Kane
(Hard-core CEG\'er)
06/28/06 11:22 PM
Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

Originally posted by Bradness:
I'm happy to advise that the first set I put into service nearly 2 yrs. ago are still going strong. They've seen 2 local winters c/w slush, salt, sand, snow, etc. as is the norm around here.

Glad that everyone likes 'em.




Mine have seen some aggressive driving on these German twisites... work perfect!

Was looking at tire wear the other day, both back tires look brand new, so no alignment issues with them either!

They have gone through:

  • Trip from Montana to Iowa to Wyoming to Idaho to Montana to Seattle with heavy snow, getting stuck on a mountain pass with a tow from a Forest ranger over the top, and various amounts of mud/dirt everywhere from that adventure.
  • Trip via ship to Germany
  • German winter
  • German roads (note that roads suck pretty bad here)

  • JEDsContour
    (Veteran CEG\'er)
    07/17/06 10:42 PM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    Well, I guess these are really nice...
    Paid my $235 and Brad mailed them out to me on 23 June.
    And that’s the end of that.
    The Canada Post tracking shows (today at 6:30PM):

    Date of Even Time of Event Location Description
    2006/06/23 09:52 BURLINGTON, ON Item accepted at the Post office

    and nothing else.

    My local US Post Office says no package has arrived for me from Canada. The Canadian post office sent me this automated reply when I asked where my package was (seven days ago).
    Quote:

    We are currently experiencing a rapid increase in e-mail requests from our customers.
    This has caused delays in our ability to respond to your request. Thank you for your patience and understanding.


    Right...

    Is it still sitting at the Burlington ON post office? How long does a delivery take? Will I think twice before I buy anything that has to be shipped from Canada? Does anyone stateside have a set of these they never installed ($$)?

    These are questions awaiting answers!

    If I don't hear anything by next week, I will give up on it, see if Brad bought insurance for me - and try to find another set of these somewhere. Looks like a real nice product.


    KingpinSVT
    (Addicted CEG\'er)
    07/17/06 11:09 PM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    When Brad sent me my RSTB, shipping took ~1 week, nothing out of the ordinary. I wonder what the hold up is?

    JEDsContour
    (Veteran CEG\'er)
    07/25/06 02:33 PM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    Since I know from PMs that at least one other CEGer has been having similar trouble with shipping on this, I thought I'd post what I've found out.

    I've tried contacting Canada Post by both email and by telephone. Emails are worthless. My emails are answered with apologies about how busy they are or a short message that I must wait 30 days to start a trace (it has been well over 30 days). Today I spent 45 minutes on hold on a long distance international line (God knows what that cost), trying to start a trace and was finally told that the sender must initiate traces. I’m not sure if that’s an international restriction or not.

    So anyone in the US who has not received his parts after 30 days must ask Brad to start a “trace.” At the completion of the trace (probably another 30 days) CanadaPost will honor the insurance ($200 US in my case) if the sender (Brad) requests it.

    If the insurance comes through, I guess I’m only out the $35 shipping and phone bills.

    Whole thing sucks, but is not Brad’s fault in any way.


    morbid
    (Veteran CEG\'er)
    07/25/06 09:50 PM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    Did they make it to the Canada/USA exchange? My arms were held up about 1 week at the border. Also, the Canada Post tracking only goes to the border.... I think from there, you can use the # in the USPS tracking.

    JEDsContour
    (Veteran CEG\'er)
    07/26/06 01:18 PM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    Originally posted by morbid:
    Did they make it to the Canada/USA exchange? My arms were held up about 1 week at the border. Also, the Canada Post tracking only goes to the border.... I think from there, you can use the # in the USPS tracking.



    I have no way of knowing where they are. Canada Post tracking only shows Brad dropping them off. Nothing has arrived at my post office.


    JEDsContour
    (Veteran CEG\'er)
    07/26/06 09:22 PM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    35 days, including the day Brad mailed the parts. That's what it took to ship from Burlington ON to Marshall VA.

    I got my package. The tube was leaning on the wall of my housenext to my front door when I got home today.

    Figures it would show up the very day after I decide to get serious about starting a trace!


    fastcougar
    (Hard-core CEG\'er)
    07/28/06 09:20 PM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    Should have gone FedEx

    111R
    (Veteran CEG\'er)
    07/31/06 12:39 AM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    mine arrived safe and sound. thanks brad!

    -a


    Big Daddy Kane
    (Hard-core CEG\'er)
    08/07/06 12:54 AM
    Re: Tubular toe control arms New Pic's

    Maybe they're held up in customs?


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