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ok I need to make a choice within the next 3-5 months.. I'd appreciate your help. The SVT will still be in the garage, love it too much. Please note the COBRA can be had on the Z plan very easily which will save me quite a bit of money, checked with my salesman. Thanks, Eric |
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I'd wait for the rx-8 to get FI, On that list I'd go with the Cobra hands down, assuming you want a summer/weekend fun car. 500 hp with a few mods
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agree with baco99 need more information. everday driver? mod/race,comfort, balls out extreme etc. The more you tell the easier it is. |
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every single mag Ive seen about the pocket rocket jap cars says that the EVO 8 is better by the slimest margines than the STi. It is said to be faster and more focused. you can also use official Mitsu Ralliart partts for about 400 hp like they offer in the UK. its called the SFQ 400 - you can guess what that stands for. Seriously F_cking Quick - but in the end its your car and your choice- but out of those listed id get the EVO. |
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Going for looks - G35 coupe or 350Z For power - Cobra, SRT, or EVO (preference in that order, hard to beat a 13sec car for $20k) |
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Definately the 2003 Cobra. You get exclusivity and one bada$$ car that will smoke any vette with no so much money for mods. ![]() You already have a 4-door grocery getter... why get an EVO or STi? 2 doors say "I am successful, passionate, and that younger woman wants me." The exact statement I would want to say. |
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Originally posted by KnuKonceptz: G35 for looks? *vomit*
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Originally posted by Stevers: WHAT!?? you're crazy. saw another one this morning and i went out of my way to get another look. so sweet! |
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Originally posted by Stevers: you have got to be kidding. the car is single handedly the smoothest coupe i've seen in years. as a matter of fact i'm heavily considering one this summer as I decided to take my deposit back on the STi.
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They have the STi and Evo duke it out in C&D this month..slight edge to Evo on track, Sti slightly quicker..both just friggin' fast! But both have major issues with ugly Neon...could not bring myself to go there..maybe when I was 20?? Mazda..not my cut of tea.The G35 is beautiful but that Cobra despite its "too small for tall people" ergonomics has a motor just to sweet to ignor. Tough call...G35 with a supercharger, that would do it! |
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It is going to be an everyday driver, I am going to mod it nicely though. I want it all, comfort, power.. I know I'm greedy.. Eric how is the aftermarket for the G35? |
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Terry changes his mind like a woman. At the spur of the moment and it's never carved in stone.
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I want the car to be in the 13's easy with a few nice mods.. 13's is fine for me.. Can the G35 handle that modded moderately? Thanks, eric |
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Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: check out some of the nissan forums. i'm not sure what stillen has up their sleeve for the G35, but most of the parts for the 350Z are probably compatible. and i am SURE that the car can handle more power. nissan did not skimp with these two cars. |
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The latest SCC mag has a sweet 350Z with a TT kit. Mind you it doesn't bump the power as much as you'd expect, it's till under 300hp, IIRC. I admit the 350Z looks downright awesome from behind - it looks so squat and wide (can you tell that I am into chics butts or what? ). Th stylin is very good, but it's just not potent enough for the money.The Cobra as cool as having +380hp is still just a Mustang. And I see more Mustangs than I can count, everyday. It's just not Aesthetically pleasing enough for me and it's road manners off the drag strip don't impress me. Give me AWD anyday. Growing up around the WRC scene and seeing many a tough WRX - STi all the way for me if I had to by another performance car. The aftermarket is so huge for it and it's specs make it tough to beat in any situation or road condition. The Evo would be next, but they really fugged up the front bumper on it, and in all truthfullness, it's really an Evo 7.5, so I don't likle the lying about it. Plus Mitsubishi America are a bunch of (unts! Just ask the 2nd Gen Eclipse owners how happy they are they they are dying off like the dodo due to sh!te workmanship on the american built 4G63. As long as the engine is fully built and imported from Japan it should be OK. |
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Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports: If comfort is a concern, that would probably nix the SRT-4, Sti and EVO. Out of what remains I would probably pick the Rx-8, not a torque monster, but there are few things as sweet as winding out that rotary
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I absolutely love most of the cars you are choosing between, but im surprised there aren't more fans of the Nissan 350z!!! That car is amazingly attractive - i can't help but stop and stare everytime I see one, even if its parked. Not potent enough? Isnt it comparable to Boxter S performance AND handling at 26k base? I'd seriously consider it... but then again, same with the G35, and I kind of have a soft spot for the Rx8 too - youd probably be the first one anyone has ever seen... and those doors look tight. Performance is a step below, though, I assume. Just my opinion |
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Originally posted by drfate100: for me, the 350Z shouldn't be an option for someone looking for apractical car. with only two seats, it's pretty limiting. the Infiniti has better looks, longer wheelbase, better interior materials, and 4 seats (and maybe 5 more HP). seems like they are similar, but the G35 is much more luxurious. |
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For those who doubt, the G35 coupe looks very much like a bigger 350Z. Both look great! As for the vote it depends on what else is already in the garage? Otherwise get the 350Z... You are getting older and more sophisticated,Oui? |
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Well, I have driven both the g35 and the 350z on several occasions. ( I am a Nissan salesman ) The 350z has 7 more hp, and rides like a true sports car. The g35 has a softer suspension and a clock on the dash. ( main differences in the cars ) The 2 seats in the back of the g35 are only good for midgets and 5 year-olds. Also the spoiler on the g35 looks like a$$. Not worth the extra 5-6000 dollars.IMO I find myself in your situation though, in that I will be buying a cobra or a 350z within the next 10-12 months. I just can't decide which. |
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Mazda or Cobra. The EVO is what you get when you spend 26g modding a gocart. They are so ugly! The STi is fast and probably as much fun as we are allowed to have legally. But I think Subaru dropped the ball in styling. Ugly taillights and ass-end. The RX-8 is mindboggling in the beauty department. And I'm sure it's still pretty pleasing to drive, especially with the rotary! Cobra...well it's a Cobra. The longest running American muscle car(mustang), still in production after all these years. And it all started with a Ford Falcon. History and balls in one package. There will ALWAYS be an aftermarket for Cobras. ALWAYS
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Originally posted by ASSVT: That's interesting, when I rode in my friend's g35, I found it a lot more spacious in back than my Contour SVT. Then again, this was a sedan version - maybe the coupe's room in the back isnt as good? Does the coupe come with reclining rear seats like the sedan? I love that feature for some reason.
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sti over evo b/c of quality and modability. srt-4=cheap fun, costs less than all those other cars leaving money for mods , rx-8 will be a great car if mazdaspeed edition is released or maybe rx-7 would be good. all those cars are diff. i see 4 classes of cars there though. you gotta decide what u want, not what i want.
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I was a die hard Cobra fan ever since my cousin took me for a ride in his 99(only 320HP and still awesome). But again it is still a mustang and I can't stand seeing more mustangs than people these days. And then theres teh 350Z That thing looks so good, but doesn't have the cobras awesome engine and it weighs way to much. It all comes down to what you like more.Cobra: in the 12's at $35,000 can't be beat by any other car on the market. The exterior looks better than a regular mustang, but that interior in plain FORD NASTY and the panel gaps look like S%$t ![]() But again you in the 12's 350Z: Just so damn sexy its not even funny. But it doesn't have the power of the Cobran or the performance. |
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whats wrong with the stang interior? everyone [censored] about cheap interiors, panel gaps, etc - that just makes it easier to take stuff apart and mod (speakers etc) to a point of course, my saturns interior would fall apart as i was driving it down the road. |
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Car and driver did a comparo between the Cobra, G35 coupe and RX-8, road course times were quite close with only 8/10th of a second seperating the 1st place Cobra with the last place RX-8. Considering the fact that the RX-8 has 140hp and 231 lb/ft less than the cobra it's a testiment to it's lighter weight and better handling. |
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hmm still don't know.. I don;t want a belly button which would be a mustang be it a cobra.. (money wise I can get this car below invoice "Z" plan)
I'm starting to see a lot of 350's on the road..(don't like that) I don;t like the looks of either the SRT/WRX/EVO..but the power.. damn..the performance. right now the voting is leaning towards the G35. we'll see..still a few months away. Eric |
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Originally posted by drfate100: For 20K the SRT-4 beats both of those cars accross the board. 1/4 mile, 0-60 time, skidpad, slalom, etc, etc... Have you heard of the One Lap of America???? SRT-4 placed 8th way ahead of all the EVO's, STI's and everything. Even beating out a Lamborghini Diablo.... Take it for what it's worth. go here and click on final results And I suppose it is JUST a neon.
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I say get the G35 coupe, I have driven the Z and the G35 coupe and I have to say that the G35 coupe is amazing to drive and you can drift that thing so easy and the exhaust note is enought o make me want to buy it. I also think the G35 coupe looks better than the Z. If you have any questions shoot me a PM my brother is a Nissan/Infiniti mechanic and can tell you all about the G35 and the Z. Aaron |
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Originally posted by Pete D: I don't think there many 1 Lap entries that featured an unmodded car with amateur drivers. Unless that SRT-4 is running 30 lbs of boost and on qualifying slicks with Michael Schumacher behind the controls, I'm impressed. |
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT: Yes indeed it is just a NEON . Let me explain something to you. As you move up in age people tend to put the childish things aside. If was looking for a new car right now you can best believe a NEON would not be on my list. If I am paying 20k+ for a car you can best believe it better have some status to it and the NEON just does not cut. I don't care how fast it it. Ofcoure, this is just my .2
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Originally posted by Antonio: Sounds like a man who just got beat by a neon. Some status?? Get an RSX then and you can go over to RSXworld.com and join the SRT-4 hating over there. It's funny how soo many people are hung up on the 'it's just a neon' statement. IMO that's the only cut down you have. Ever seen one in real life? Ever driven one, or even riden in one? Didn't think so. CAR and DRIVER in a STOCK SRT-4: 0-60: 5.4 seconds 1/4 mile: 13.9 |
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog: Agreed. The cobra interior, in my opinion, fits the car just right. Very straight forward. Although, if your a big guy like AndyW, this is not the car for you. The driver's seat is the best. Adjustable bolsters. The seat feels like your being hugged. The steering wheel is padded leather wrapped. Very nice grip. Best priced car for the power. Can't beat $35k for a 12 sec car right out of the box. I added a densecharger and ran a 8.0 in the 1/8th mile. --Matt |
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT: An RSX riiiiiight. That is no better then your prized NEON only much slower. ATL-SVT, if your happy with your purchuse then fine. All I am saying is when I start looking for my next car it will be in the likes of BMW, AUDI etc. In my life I am done with the "boy racer image." The reason I have my contour still is because I do not see the logic in buying a 30k to 50k while I am still living at home or in a apartment. |
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It's unfortunate that you've made it this far in life without having been knocked of the pedestal you put yourself on. When you get your beemer, or your audi call me and I'll show you why my SRT-4 looks like from the back.
Based on your responses to this point, I surmise that you must be at the cool age where "image" is no longer an issue (it's all in your head), now "status" is the in thing. Did I hit the nail on the head or what??? Your signature is very suitable to your attitude by the way. |
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ALT, There comes a point in your life where the "my car is faster than your car attitude" just doesn't cut it any more. When I was 17, I had a 79 Z28....I didn't car how it looked, I cared how fast it was and who I could beat with it. Now that I'm a "little" older, my priorities have changed. I want something that is quick, comfortable and reflects more of what point I'm at in my life. I understand exactly what Antonio is saying. Your Neon is a great bang for the buck car, but when you want to take your parents or friends out to dinner, you don't all want to climb into a Neon......I'm not ripping on you, I'm just saying that when you get a little older, and start making a little more $$$, you'll understand. |
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT: Your time will come. I fully agree with Antonio and Moe. I, too, no longer care how fast my SVT is, or a car I currently own. My next car if I can afford it.... 1. German 2. Luxurious 3. Comfortable 4. Good looking - STOCK 5. Modestly quick No more, no less. Different strokes for different folks, so stop talking down on people that don't choose the 'NEON' as their next car. The big difference between say a 328 and a Neon.... Yeap, the Neon will smoke the 328, but NOT if the 328 driver decides NOT to race you. Also, YOU can't just quite make the Neon comfortable and luxurious at will, something the 328 already is. In a lot of people's eyes and mine included, the days of econo pocket rockets are over. Not 'over' in general, just on this website... -J |
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT: Status or not, BMW's and Audi's are excellent vehicles. They carry a quality feel that you canno get with an SRT-4 or an Evo/STi. They are just different and some people don't care about the quickest 1/4 mile time. I love the SRT-4 for what it is, but I would have a hard time giving up my IS300 for one even at $10k less. |
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Originally posted by Moe: First of all, ATL, not ALT. Secondly, I know 9 people in Atlanta that own SRT-4's, at 25 years old, I'm the youngest and the only one without kids of my own (most have gray hair). My mom who is 47 this year drives 2002 Trans-AM WS6, she appreciates a fast car as much as I do, reguardless of whether or not it was built from a neon chassis (for the record there is not ONE neon badge on this vehicle from the factory). I see the point your attempting to convey and I understand that you're not trying to be insulting. I cleared $40K working in Mid-Town Atlanta (where 3 and 5 series BMW's are more common than Accords), wearing a tie to work every day last year. That's enough to buy a more expensive car (that I could beat with my 'neon'), but that's not what I want. I'll cut to the chase: My point is, that not everyone goes the same direction in life.
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If he wants a new car that's economical, fast, and with a good aftermarket, then why hate on that? Because he isn't as materialistic as the likes that want to have their car speak for who they are?? PLEASE!Tim, you're in the same boat you were in before with your SVT. Instead of hearing, "It's just a Contour!", you'll hear "It's just a Neon!" now. |
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Originally posted by Swazo: Read Moe's post over and over and over and over and over... Maybe you'll finally get it into your head. -J |
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Materialisum at it's best. You need something that makes you feel more important when you go to dinner I guess. My point is that you should make who you are. If you need a car or any other status symbol to accomplish this for you, that says a lot. BUT, if you are truely refined to the point where you are looking for what the BMW or the like can give you....that's a different story all together. Like it or not, the SRT4 is like an CSVT in many ways. It's based on a commuter car, but built for a performance crowd. |
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Originally posted by Swazo: It's not about that. I'm gonna quote Moe here... Read the 1st sentence especially... ----------------- There comes a point in your life where the "my car is faster than your car attitude" just doesn't cut it any more. Now that I'm a "little" older, my priorities have changed. ----------------- Meaning we want to get away from the boy-racer image that currently revolves around us. I don't want to street race anymore, I have no desire to go to the drag strip with my daily driver anymore... I just want to go to work w/out rattles, w/out worrying my worrying about my water pump, without the Honda boys revving their motor, and etc. Quote: This is exactly correct, and it's time to UPGRADE. In ATL's case, he wanted to upgrade through SPEED. In my, Moe's, and Antonio's case, we want to upgrade through luxury, comfort, SERVICE and etc... Status is the last thing on my mind (can't speak for Antonio or Moe here), sure, it's not gonna hurt telling someone I drive a BMW, but that's not the point. It's all in what you're looking for. Granted, a new Altima will be faster than a 328 and hell, it'll run right up there with a E36 M3, but am I an Altima driver? Hell no. It's all in what you're looking for, different strokes for different folks. -J |
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Good point, and I agree. The next car I do buy will be along the lines of an upper end Audi or BMW simply for the reasons you listed. It's the people who place a ton of importance on how much a vehicle cost or in it's name or any other trendy crap. Sorry, my uncle just purchased an H2 for that reason and it burns me up. He got it because it was trendy ![]() I wasn't trying to be a jerk, there are just somethings that set me off. BACK ON TOPIC.... Test drive the cars you listed and go from there. I'm sure a few names would fall from the list after the 1st TD and make the choice easier. |
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Originally posted by JVT: very relevant quote. that's the very reason why you see a "dreaded" SUV in my sig and not the lowered import or CSVT that preceded it. i've hit that point where needs outweighed wants - with regard to performance and whatnot - so i got something that can carry me onto jobsites, carry my bikes with ease, jump curbs when tailgating at auburn football games in the fall, etc. however, i still want the performance - and i'm about to buy a 2nd car myself that will give me something fun to drive. on topic of the original selections, my thoughts on them: G35 - my top choice. simply gorgeous lines - there are two 6MT G35c's at my local dealer, one red, one silver w/ aero - and i spent a good 15 minutes late last night just standing by them, walking around them, and admiring their looks. the performance is certainly adequate - RWD, good chassis, decent power; nothing mind-blowing, but it's a well-rounded car that still has all the comforts and conveniences that some of us appreciate, along w/ the cachet of a luxury nameplate and, more importantly, the better dealer service and warranty that (usually) come with it. RX8 - saw one in my mazda dealer's showroom last night; looks nice, though it doesn't really do too much for me. the idea of lightweight agility and nimble handling is certainly appealing; not sure if i'm a rotary fan or not, though. cobra - the sound is amazing, but the cockpit is pretty cramped and outdated, imho. a friend of mine just recently bought one after waffling between it and the G35c for months - he bought it solely b/c of the engine, much as car and driver praised the car primarily b/c of the engine. there's even less room in the backseat of a cobra than a G35c, fwiw (in my experience, anyway). it's the sledgehammer approach vs. finesse. definitely will get all the boyracers and mullet-heads around you revving on you, that's for sure. 350Z - i prefer the looks, additional room, better warranty, better service, and everything else that comes w/ the G35. my .02. STi - just when the old look was growing on me, they change the look of the front - and imho, ruined it. too amorphic and shapeless now...i respect the car but wouldn't buy one. EVO - contrary to most, i actually like the look of it - but the boy-racer aspect of it is a bit over the top. i probably couldn't buy one just b/c i'd have a hard time paying over $30k for a car based on an econo-class subcompact, even knowing that the two are functionally so different (twice the welds in the chassis for stiffness, drivetrain, etc.). i like how it looks and performs, but i'd spend my $30k elsewhere. SRT-4 - i totally respect its capabilities and can even overlook its neon roots, but for a daily driver, i'd have to have a car from a class or two above it. i think it would be a fun 2nd car just b/c of its performance, but on a day to day basis i think it might get old. then again, i'm getting old(er) myself, so that may have something to do with it (the comment from the owner above notwithstanding). so, i'd get the G35c 6mt, probably pearl white w/ aero and premium packages. i actually like the spoiler on it.
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Wow, is the Mustang really THAT bad on space for the taller guys? My old car was an Eclipse GSX and I thought that was bad because I'm 6' 4" and 215, and in all my days of testdriving GT's and Cobra's out of bordem made me think they weren't THAT bad. But they could have some changes in '03 as I haven't had the chance to drive one yet. Edit: "definitely will get all the boyracers and mullet-heads around you revving on you, that's for sure."
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For $35k you might consider a 3.0 X-Type. VERY sexy + not a common sight on the road = attention getter wetter. Not strictly a performance car obviously, but a most respectable small sedan. If you guys have a different opinion, feel free to keep it to yourself.
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It just hit me !!! The ULTIMATE road car - power to weight ratio better than a Viper, skidpad near 1G with proper tires, near perfect wieght distribution - monster & sexy... A second gen RX-7 w/ a V-8 !! ![]() Get an RX-7 then buy a 5.0 Ford or 350 Chevy swap kit from Ganny's Speed Shop.com !! You'll have it all for less than $20k !! What'ya think guys !! |
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Are you serious? Putting a V8 in an RX-7? That's just crazy. Why drop such a heavy inefficient lumnp into that car. I would stick with the 13B and build it up with a Turbo. THAT would be an awesome car! What your suggesting is like telling a Hot Rodder to pull out his 427 from his Nova and drop in a RB26DETT instead! |
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Cold Air INtake for the Mustang. Densecharger Adds about 23 RWHP to a stock 03 Cobra. --Matt |
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According to the info I have, NOT SO. The 5.0 H.O. Ford engine adds less that 100 pounds to the total weight of the car. Easily handled by the suspension. The conversion kit also sets the V-8 as far back in the engine bay as possible to retain the vehicle balance. Check out grannysspeedshop.com for yourself & see some of the pictures. The V-8 actually looks kinda SMALL in the engine bay.
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Originally posted by Swazo: That's not where I was going. My point is that a Neon, or my SVT for that matter is NOT a four person car.(Four small peolpe maybe) Yes I have had three friends and myself and four sets of golf clubs in it, but it wasn't comfy . And I actually like the SRT4, it's an awesome bang for the buck car, and if the SRT4 was out when I bought the SVT five years ago, it would have been an option. But for my next car (or whatever), I want to get something that I can use to take four people out to dinner, pick up crap at Home Depot, get to work in the snow,etc. I guess that's why I test drove a Murano today .....and there was a really nice 2000 A6 2.7T in Carmax today too
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Originally posted by Tiger561: I'm not going to keep my opinion to myself LOLMy Mom has a 2.5 X-Type, and she likes my Dad's Infiniti G30 better. I know the 2.5 in the X-type is weak for the car and she should have got the 3.0, but it's the other things about the car she dislikes. She says the Infiniti rides much nicer, is roomier, etc. |
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Wait a minute... Moe, Who are you again??? ![]() What'cha been upto? |
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I dig what you're sayin' Moe. But this kid is considering a Mustang & some other ricey performance cars, so I think image has more play here than a well rounded package. You offer up a good choice, I admit. I would probably be more likely to consider the infinity myself, but a Jag in the drive is just such a nice thought!!
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how bout an s4 or m3
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Originally posted by Russell: I never refer to my "Contour" as that either - I always call it the "SVT." My 96 is the only thing I call a 'tour. My friends even distinguish the cars like that - especially if they see one on the road - it's either "there goes an ugly ass Contour" or "there goes an SVT" lol - it's just how it is, I say the same thing. |
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One more thing. You mentioned the V-8 as being inefficient. I had three cars in my stable before I bought my Tour. Mercury Grand Marquis with a 5.0 V-8 BMW 325e with a 2.7 I-6 Mazda RX-7 with a 1.3 Rotary The Merc gets the best fuel milage of the bunch despite the fact it is way heavier than the other cars. I could still smoke the tires from a dead stop after 170,000 miles too. Yahoo! The Mazda with the 1.3 got the worst fuel mileage, but man was it FUN! With some mods you can pump a bunch of ponies out of the engine, but why spend all that time/money when all you have to do is pick up a 5.0 HO engine/tranny from an old Lincoln Mk VII & drop it into the RX. The BMW is a competent car, I still use it as my weekend beater fishin' car, or haulin' concrete or whatever. The Mazda is gone, the Merc will be leaving in the next few weeks, & the BMW will likely be sold/given away this summer. |
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christ if you are handing out a bmw....slide it on here id like another car
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wow. that interior shot of the Mustang looks like CRAP! cheap plastic galore! i took a closer look at the interior of a Viper RT10 today too. aside ffrom the seats, the rest of the interior was just cheap plastic. looks like they took it off a 1980's pickup truck. and corvettes are no better. when are US car makers gonna start putting some quality in their products??? |
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I don't see the S4 on that list. You can pick up a used one for 25-30K. Chipped it puts down 300HP and 350TQ AND it's a really nice car.. nuff said
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Originally posted by baco99: Only difference between the Viper and Cobra's plastic and say the BMW, BMW makes their plastic look better. Personally, having wooden accents in the Cobra would not make it look good at all. Same goes for the Viper. Having brushed aluminum accents is a different story. Ford does now offer a brushed aluminum kit for the Mustang as an accessory. --Matt |
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no no no. the materials used BMWs, VWs, Audis, Porsches, and Nissans/Infinitis are NOT the same plastics. nor are the panels assembled the same way. there aren't any 3/4" gaps in door panels. there isn't any "dash warp". and tactile surfaces have a rubbery feel to them. so you know you're hitting a button without looking at it. there's a way to make interior look right and there is a way to make it look like crap. in any car costing over $30k, there is no excuse for dodgy materials. the H2 is another example of a CRAP interior. |
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Without focusing on the materials making up the interior; I would still say US cars have bad interiors. The lines are just not there. A $20K Jap car has better lines than the twice-the-cost Corvette. |
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Quote: That thing is awesome! What a great idea! You can find a 3rd gen RX-7 with a blown rotary for well under $10k, and a high-end rebuilt Chevy 350 with lots of go fast goodies (400hp+) with the conversion kit will run $10k. So for under $20k, you've got a car that'll run in the 10's at over 130, while still handling and braking extremely well. And looks nice too! ![]() I think I need to add this project to my 'must do' list. I think it would be fun to build and of course to drive! |
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Quote: Huh? Japanese cars have never had good interior styles or lines, especially the dashboards. They make them well, BORING. They're just flat and plain. Look at the dash and interior design of a Toyota Camry for example. It has absolutely no style at all. No curves, no tiers, no sweeps, nothing. Just flat and boring. Yeah, its functional and works well, but its just so boring to look at. No style. The dash and interior of my '96 Contour is way better looking than the dash of a 2003 Camry. Granted, some of the interior components could be of higher quality in the Contour, but at least the dash and interior has style to it. Its interesting to look at, sporty, comfy, and modern. Modern so that it still looks good 7 years later. As for the Corvette - I own one. Magazines slam it all the time for how crappy the interior is. Its really not that bad. Its definitely too plastiky and the huge buttons on the radio and HVAC controls are a bit goofy looking. But other than that, the interior is nice - the dash has nice styling, even at 6 years old of a design, the ergonomics are good, everything just works well, and its very comfortable. Amazingly comfortable for a sports car of such high capabilities. I have a G35 Coupe on order that I expect to have within the next month. My biggest gripe about the car? I don't like the interior and dash! |
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Go for the G35 and buy me one while you're at it.
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my problem with US interiors is that the panel fit always sucks. even on a vette. a friend of mine has a 2003, and the gaps are never the same throughout the whole dash/door. the only redeeming interior piece of a vette is seating. vette seats are really nice. foreign interiors are never exciting, but they fit together and don't come apart. |
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Originally posted by baco99: OK, I'll agree with that. But as long as the fit is reasonably close, I could care less about panel fit. I'm not gonna take a ruler and measure the panel gap difference and complain that it may be 1 mm off here or there. Who cares? If there's a big difference, and things are crooked and tweaked, and you can see it, then yeah, I'll complain. But I haven't seen that on an American car since my '83 T-bird. Quote: Not on a Z06 they're not!!! I love the car, but probably one of my biggest complaints is how much the Z06 seats suck. Mind you, they are not the same sport seats that are in the regular C5, which are better, but still not great. My complaint centers around the lack of side bolster support, and they're a bit too soft for my taste. They are comfortable on long trips though. But my Contour's seats are way more supportive. Quote: I guess its a matter of preference then: boring interiors that have close panel gaps and accuracy, or exciting interiors that may have a few flaws here and there. I choose the latter, because I don't like boring things. As for coming apart: I've found U.S. interiors last longer and wear better than Japanese car interiors (at least on Fords anyway - GM stuff is questionable). Case in point: I remember years ago my friend had an '86 Maxima that was about 7 years old at the time and just turned 100k. The dashboard was warped and had big cracks in it, some of the switches and buttons that were painted had the paint worn off, a lot of the interior stuff didn't work anymore, the seat fabric was really worn, and everything just looked tired and worn. My '96 Contour is the same age now, and has more mileage. The dashboard still fits together perfectly - no warps, no cracks anywhere. None of the buttons have the paint worn off. The leather still looks good. Everything still works. There's no wear spots on the armrests or anything. The only signs of a little wear are: 1) the steering wheel leather has discolored where I always keep my hands, 2) there is a slight rub mark on the driver's seat leather where the seat belt always rubs it, and 3) the paint on the turn signal stalk is starting to wear off. That's it! Everything else, the interior still looks like new. We'll see how well my G35's interior wears. I suspect all that painted titanium colored trim will look like hell in a few years. I don't know what is with that fad now with silver colored trim anyways - I thought we already went through that in the '80s?
I think the best interiors belong to Audi, Volkswagen, Jaguar, and BMW. I have no idea how well they hold up, but they sure do look nice new. |
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Originally posted by stingray454: It is a Camry! Which do you like better? ![]() OR
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Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja: That's funny, it looks like an Acura interior to me... Hmm, what is that caliper logo on the steering wheel? Did Toyota change their logo? ![]() Quote: I like the 7 YEAR OLD Corvette interior design over the brand new Acura design. I've seen bus dash boards with more style and curves than that. I've also seen Hyundai's with better interiors. |
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Ok. |
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put the acura interior in a corvette, and i'd buy a corvette. i looks cleaner. it's more tasteful. and if you've ever ridden in one, it functions well. and i haven't sat in a Z06 except at car shows, but i have driven a couple C5s and i like the seats. the side bolsters were a little wide, but leg support was great (something lacking on the CSVT, IMO). |
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