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Zetec vs. Duratec

The problem is that the discussion here is concerning the Zetec vs. Duratec in Contours, not in general. So, good sir, perhaps you are the one that is "retarded..
yes, i'm the one retarded when i'm comparing a 125hp car vs a 170hp car, then putting the same mods on them and acting like the v6 is so much more powerful because it has more HP at the end, it started out with more HP in the beginning, use common sence.
 
yes, i'm the one retarded when i'm comparing a 125hp car vs a 170hp car, then putting the same mods on them and acting like the v6 is so much more powerful because it has more HP at the end, it started out with more HP in the beginning, use common sence.

Hm...let's reevaluate our little conversation.

Topic: Zetec vs. Duratec
Context: Hey guys, I want to know if modding a Zetec is worth it, or should I instead go with a Duratec?
My statement (on topic): If you do the same mods on both engines, you will get more power from the Duratec
Your statement: OMG DUH YOUR RETARDED TEH SVT ZETEC HAS TEH SAME HP NUMBERS AS TEH DURATEC
My statement: That has nothing to do with the original poster's question, nor does it have anything to do with the topic we're trying to discuss
Your statement: NU UH YOUR RETARDED SHUT UP

Okay. Just wanted to clear that up.
 
Hm...let's reevaluate our little conversation.

Topic: Zetec vs. Duratec
Context: Hey guys, I want to know if modding a Zetec is worth it, or should I instead go with a Duratec?
My statement (on topic): If you do the same mods on both engines, you will get more power from the Duratec
Your statement: OMG DUH YOUR RETARDED TEH SVT ZETEC HAS TEH SAME HP NUMBERS AS TEH DURATEC
My statement: That has nothing to do with the original poster's question, nor does it have anything to do with the topic we're trying to discuss
Your statement: NU UH YOUR RETARDED SHUT UP

Okay. Just wanted to clear that up.
Did you even read what I said about the SVT zetec? Yea, it's offtopic, but before you go and say that the duratec will always have more power bump up the zetec to have the same power rating then mod. Yea I know the SVT zetec never came in the contour, but I was just mentioning it.

Why are you like this when it come to zetecs? do you just like to talk down on them because you owned 2 ATX's and they were slow? You seem to like to rate cars on how fast they are. why? I will continue to back zetecs up when people like you just like to talk down on them, like they're worthless, slow, piles of ****.

simply put, of course the same mods on a zetec'd contour vs a duratec'd contour, the duratec will have more power, that's all i was trying to say (apparently you didn't understand what I said (more like didn't read), what gives).. I was also mentioning the SVT zetec because that would be a more fair comparasion, you jump off the deep end.
 
I'm a hot rodder. I mod what I've got.

I also like being the underdog. There are a bunch of high power turbo 3L's running around. It's been done. How many high-powered Zetec Contour's are there?

None.

Be unique. Mod your Zetec.


BP
 
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you've got big problems then, i average 34-36mpg all year round, and I don't drive slow..

Yep. I measured once and got 26mpg ragging the car out hard. I routinely get over 400 miles to 12 gallons going 90mph on the interstate. Meaning I get atleast 34mpg. Gets better gas mileage than my escort or my svt.
 
and to add to all the things about zetec not having torque, why do boosted zetecs continue to dyno 20-30ft/lbs more torque then they do HP.. We're not dealing with hondas here, zetecs make torque. Hell, even stock they have more torque then they do HP. 'No replacement for Displacement'- that'd work better if the Duratec was more then .5 liters displacement and 2 more pistons.
Like I said, if you got the money, than zetecs are great for modding.
How many high hp zetec contours do you see? On here, none. Best I've seen was sleeper's and he just had bolt ons and nitrous, not a whole lot of power but a quick car. There is a reason you don't see a lot. It initially takes more money or atleast more know-how to make a zetec contour have power. Most contours owners that mod thier cars don't even shoot for high hp numbers, so the duratec is thier best option.
Generally speaking the duratec is the better option for modifying when it comes to your average CEGer. The zetec is a good engine if someone wants to spend the time/money to add power to it. The aftermarket is there for making the engine as strong as you need. So no zetec bashing from me, but just common sense. I don't want to spend a lot of money on a contour, which is just what I'd have to do to just get my zetec to the power level of my svt. SVTs are so cheap, it's better to get one and not only do you get the higher hp engine, you get the body, interior, suspension, etc.
And about sound, duratecs do sound great. Zetecs can sound good. I like the svt exhaust w/ no mufflers on a zetec. But duratecs have a very specific sound that almost no other engine has. The sound is one of the things I remember most the first time I heard/saw a modded svt.
 
Cool! My exhaust was linked. And I don't have a tach so I rev'd it until the limiter kicked in.

I'll make a simple comment.

If you want power, go with the Duratec.

If you want fun, go with the Zetec.

But I'm not saying the duratec is not fun, just the more powerful of the two.

BTW, its still a Contour.
 
For about the same amount of money you can have about the same amount of power out of either one. however it takes quite a bit of knowledge, skills and tools to be able to do so to the zetec. if you have that knowledge (the average CEGer does not) then you can spend about 4-5k (including initial purchase) on a MTX zetec and make it have at least 170hp easily(standard duratech) and over 200hp with FI. Plus with the zetec you dont have the issues that you do with the duratech (i.e. water pump, IMRC, moosing, throttle hang, etc.) since most of CEG doesnt have the knowledge to do that they choose the duratech.

so if the question is which one should you buy and you have the knowledge and tools to do so then i say go with the zetec. if you dont have the knowledge and just want more power now then go with the duratech.
 
Dang.. Us DUHRetech owners must B reel stupid cuz we choosed a EZ engine to have.


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For about the same amount of money you can have about the same amount of power out of either one. however it takes quite a bit of knowledge, skills and tools to be able to do so to the zetec. if you have that knowledge (the average CEGer does not) then you can spend about 4-5k (including initial purchase) on a MTX zetec and make it have at least 170hp easily(standard duratech) and over 200hp with FI. Plus with the zetec you dont have the issues that you do with the duratech (i.e. water pump, IMRC, moosing, throttle hang, etc.) since most of CEG doesnt have the knowledge to do that they choose the duratech.

so if the question is which one should you buy and you have the knowledge and tools to do so then i say go with the zetec. if you dont have the knowledge and just want more power now then go with the duratech.

This is desk-poundingly funny. With a $5K budget for my car, including initial purchase, I could have a tuned 3L shoving me back in the seat.
 
Why are you like this when it come to zetecs? do you just like to talk down on them because you owned 2 ATX's and they were slow? You seem to like to rate cars on how fast they are. why? I will continue to back zetecs up when people like you just like to talk down on them, like they're worthless, slow, piles of ****.
For the most part they are (Duratecs aren't a ton better). Ford designed them as a conservative econo-box. Don't try and make them something they're not. Why are you like this when it comes to Zetecs? Do you just like to talk them up because you own two and need to validate your purchase? And why is it wrong that I'm rating a car (engine) on how fast it is. That is the point of this thread. The original poster wants a faster car. The Duratec is a better option for that.
simply put, of course the same mods on a zetec'd contour vs a duratec'd contour, the duratec will have more power, that's all i was trying to say (apparently you didn't understand what I said (more like didn't read), what gives).. I was also mentioning the SVT zetec because that would be a more fair comparasion, you jump off the deep end.
I quite understood what you said, and I read it several times. I'm not saying you don't have a valid point, I'm saying it's not relevant to the topic.
another link for the second one.
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No thank you. It sounds like a Mazda 323 that drives around here.

I'm a hot rodder. I mod what I've got.

I also like being the underdog. There are a bunch of high power turbo 3L's running around. It's been done. How many high-powered Zetec Contour's are there?
None.
Be unique. Mod your Zetec.
Did you ever think that there's a reason for this? Here's what you're saying: Lots of people have found that modifying an initially more powerful car to be more practical and it produced good results. I, in my effort to constantly 'be different,' cannot bring myself to travel down this road of practicality, and I must spend more money, time, and effort to achieve the same results.
I have an idea: Be practical. Treat your Zetec like it was meant to be treated.

Like I said, if you got the money, than zetecs are great for modding.
How many high hp zetec contours do you see? On here, none. Best I've seen was sleeper's and he just had bolt ons and nitrous, not a whole lot of power but a quick car. There is a reason you don't see a lot. It initially takes more money or atleast more know-how to make a zetec contour have power. Most contours owners that mod thier cars don't even shoot for high hp numbers, so the duratec is thier best option.
Generally speaking the duratec is the better option for modifying when it comes to your average CEGer. The zetec is a good engine if someone wants to spend the time/money to add power to it. The aftermarket is there for making the engine as strong as you need. So no zetec bashing from me, but just common sense. I don't want to spend a lot of money on a contour, which is just what I'd have to do to just get my zetec to the power level of my svt. SVTs are so cheap, it's better to get one and not only do you get the higher hp engine, you get the body, interior, suspension, etc.
And about sound, duratecs do sound great. Zetecs can sound good. I like the svt exhaust w/ no mufflers on a zetec. But duratecs have a very specific sound that almost no other engine has. The sound is one of the things I remember most the first time I heard/saw a modded svt.
Summary: Duratec if you're thinking practically, Zetec if you want to spend more money (the same could be said about any engine). Oh, and I bolded the most sense anyone has made in this thread.

Cool! My exhaust was linked. And I don't have a tach so I rev'd it until the limiter kicked in.

I'll make a simple comment.

If you want power, go with the Duratec.

If you want fun, go with the Zetec.

But I'm not saying the duratec is not fun, just the more powerful of the two.

BTW, its still a Contour.

I don't quite understand how an engine with less power and equal weight is more fun. More fun because you have to modify it more? Perhaps. More fun because you had to do more work on it to make it livable? If that's your thing. More fun to drive? I honestly don't see how.
PS Why don't you have a tach? Didn't Ford intend for the Zetec to be TEH ULTIMATE!!1!1! racing engine? Wait no, it is the slow economy engine.

Dang.. Us DUHRetech owners must B reel stupid cuz we choosed a EZ engine to have.

Weerrrre stoopid.

Just to clarify:
I don't hate Zetecs. They have their place, and that place is generally not modification. If you want to modify your Zetec, first off make sure it's not an ATX (I will personally come and kick you in the nuts if you think modding an ATX Contour is worthwhile, unless you have circumstances that would prevent you from driving a manual, I understand). And secondly don't try and convince yourself that the Zetec is somehow secretly a superior platform. Admit that it's inferior, but you're modding it because of either a desire to be unique or current circumstances.
 
This is desk-poundingly funny. With a $5K budget for my car, including initial purchase, I could have a tuned 3L shoving me back in the seat.

I call BS. please price this out.

zetec:
initial purchase: $1K
turbo setup: $2-3K
Tuning: $1K
total : $4-5K
Estimated HP: 250
 
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My '97SE cost me $2500. A smartly done 3L build should cost about the same.

OTOH, I have to disagree about two points.

The Contour's original intent wasn't to be a "conservative econobox". Ford already had that, it's called the Escort. I look at the Mondeo's original intent (Jetta killer) and how it's been received by that market to get an idea of what Ford had in mind for the Contour, but then they utterly duffed the execution. Still, there aren't any conservative econoboxes with the moves of SE/SVT or MTX Zetecs.

Second, the Zetec gets PLENTY of use as a high-performance/racing motor. The Caterham I rode in had a lightly modified Zetec powering it, and you just need to look at the BAT catalog for Focus parts to see how much potential there is in that engine.
 
My '97SE cost me $2500. A smartly done 3L build should cost about the same.

OTOH, I have to disagree about two points.

The Contour's original intent wasn't to be a "conservative econobox". Ford already had that, it's called the Escort. I look at the Mondeo's original intent (Jetta killer) and how it's been received by that market to get an idea of what Ford had in mind for the Contour, but then they utterly duffed the execution. Still, there aren't any conservative econoboxes with the moves of SE/SVT or MTX Zetecs.
Reread what I said. The Zetec in particular is the econobox. And yes, there are tons of 'econoboxes' with the moves of an MTX Zetec. Such as...say...pretty much every import. Not only do they get better milage, but they tend to weigh several hundred pounds less.

Second, the Zetec gets PLENTY of use as a high-performance/racing motor. The Caterham I rode in had a lightly modified Zetec powering it, and you just need to look at the BAT catalog for Focus parts to see how much potential there is in that engine.

Once again. While I'm not saying this couldn't be a valid point, I'm saying it's completely irrelevant to the topic.
 
I call BS. please price this out.

zetec:
initial purchase: $1K
turbo setup: $2-3K
Tuning: $1K
total : $4-5K
Estimated HP: 250

Duratec:
Initial purchase: $2500 for a early, higher mileage SVT or less for a regular pre98 duratec
Basic 3L swap: $1500
Tuning: $500
Total: ~$4500 depends on initial purchase and cost of swap
Estimated Power: 200/200

Thing is, very very few people on here can do a turbo on a zetec for the price you listed. Most people would have to pay someone to do most of it and it would be well above $3k and there are no kits that simply bolt up on a zetec.

Almost anyone on here can swap a 3L in just following instructions from everyone that's done it before. And heck, I guess someone that knows what they're doing could also turbo it for $3k. Talking a lot more than 250hp.
 
kremithefrog said:
Thing is, very very few people on here can do a turbo on a zetec for the price you listed. Most people would have to pay someone to do most of it and it would be well above $3k and there are no kits that simply bolt up on a zetec.

Hence my original statment
For about the same amount of money you can have about the same amount of power out of either one. however it takes quite a bit of knowledge, skills and tools to be able to do so to the zetec. if you have that knowledge (the average CEGer does not) then you can spend about 4-5k (including initial purchase) on a MTX zetec and make it have at least 170hp easily(standard duratech) and over 200hp with FI. Plus with the zetec you dont have the issues that you do with the duratech (i.e. water pump, IMRC, moosing, throttle hang, etc.) since most of CEG doesnt have the knowledge to do that they choose the duratech.

so if the question is which one should you buy and you have the knowledge and tools to do so then i say go with the zetec. if you dont have the knowledge and just want more power now then go with the duratech.
 
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