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BurritaSVT
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posted August 01, 2002 04:54 PM
I have to say from talking with Keith at Street flight he said from his many years of experience and calculations, The turbo pushing 300 hp to wheels with it hooking up solid will definitely hit lows 12's with proper shifting.
He also said that Kaiser quarter mile run was useless to judge because his car is no way going to hook up without LSD, clutch, and drag tires.
He also said when he got to strip Kaiser had already put the ice in right after a 30 minute drive in high 90's
This kept him from reaching the hp above 270 alone this was his first time to the track.
Basically I think ya'll are forgetting that these numbers will not at all represent the true potential of this car.
My friend has a Mr2 and is pushing the same numbers to the ground and is running 11's and weight is just shy of us. When I told him the numbers and the tourque curve he said there should be no reason in hell we shouldn't hit 12's with grip. And he has less torque (cobra vs SVT)
Everybodies ragging the turbo but into you ride in the car when the car hit 10psi you have to hold on to wheel and watch the tach shoot up and tell me it not worth it.
How do ya'll sit there and say this it not worth it? It will be the biggest sleeper there is and will out handle a cobra all day and carry four people comfortable.
If everyone added up the money you spend in trading in vehicles and buying new along with interest this car would still be a cheaper car with all the mods and da*n fast one at that.
Ya'll just wait till the 99 svt get out his shop with more hp than 2000 and with the proper setup everybody will want to get on the train. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted August 01, 2002 05:28 PM
I am all for the contour busting out some good numbers at the track but until the internal gears within the tranny and the motor mount issues are addressed I think that it may have problems. Whatever happen to david Z's setup?
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posted August 01, 2002 08:16 PM
Yeah I know I'm a super jackass for getting excited and dumping the ice in early. What can I say.
It has a lot of potential. I know I've wasted more than 5k trading up to a different cars so I'm sticking with this one. Give me another chance on the track guys after I put it back together again.
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posted August 01, 2002 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Kaiser.:
Yeah I know I'm a super jackass
Yeah well...what else is new? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted August 01, 2002 10:19 PM
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Everybodies ragging the turbo but into you ride in the car when the car hit 10psi you have to hold on to wheel and watch the tach shoot up and tell me it not worth it.
How do ya'll sit there and say this it not worth it? It will be the biggest sleeper there is and will out handle a cobra all day and carry four people comfortable.
If everyone added up the money you spend in trading in vehicles and buying new along with interest this car would still be a cheaper car with all the mods and da*n fast one at that.
Ya'll just wait till the 99 svt get out his shop with more hp than 2000 and with the proper setup everybody will want to get on the train.
You was good until you said that. Question.. how reliable is the contour going to be?? I bet you this. There will be blown tranmissions, and blown engine left and right. You say if you factor in all the trade in costs etc,etc it will still be cheaper to keep the tour. I beg to differ. If you
add the cost of the turbo and all the other mods. You will be reaching the price of an nice low milage used S4 with 250 HP stock and a full warrenty to boot. So no matter what you say it will not be worth it. Hell I would love to see a contour break 13's or even 12's, but IMHO it is just not cost effective. Good luck, and give me a holla I will give any turbo tour a run. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted August 01, 2002 11:45 PM
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You was good until you said that. Question.. how reliable is the contour going to be?? I bet you this. There will be blown tranmissions, and blown engine left and right. You say if you factor in all the trade in costs etc,etc it will still be cheaper to keep the tour. I beg to differ. If you
add the cost of the turbo and all the other mods. You will be reaching the price of an nice low milage used S4 with 250 HP stock and a full warrenty to boot. So no matter what you say it will not be worth it. Hell I would love to see a contour break 13's or even 12's, but IMHO it is just not cost effective. Good luck, and give me a holla I will give any turbo tour a run.
-Antonio[/QB][/QUOTE]
well you might want ot take into consideration that a lot of the people on this site have a tour because they like the car and it's not a reliability issue.I'm sure that if you get up everyday and enjoy every drive you have because you like your car you would probably wouldn't have posted
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posted August 02, 2002 12:25 AM
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You was good until you said that. Question.. how reliable is the contour going to be?? I bet you this. There will be blown tranmissions, and blown engine left and right. You say if you factor in all the trade in costs etc,etc it will still be cheaper to keep the tour. I beg to differ. If you
add the cost of the turbo and all the other mods. You will be reaching the price of an nice low milage used S4 with 250 HP stock and a full warrenty to boot. So no matter what you say it will not be worth it. Hell I would love to see a contour break 13's or even 12's, but IMHO it is just not cost effective. Good luck, and give me a holla I will give any turbo tour a run.
-Antonio
well you might want ot take into consideration that a lot of the people on this site have a tour because they like the car and it's not a reliability issue.I'm sure that if you get up everyday and enjoy every drive you have because you like your car you would probably wouldn't have posted[/QB][/QUOTE]
Well whatever.. This topic has strayed far enough. If you had two SVT's that turned out to be nothing but trouble you would understand where I am coming from. Oh, and one more thing. I only put mods on that made the car look good, and I had problems. You guys are talking internals, harded gears and such. When will you wake up?? When you spent 30,000 into a car you can't take down the street or the track? Or now. I have seen the light and I hope you will to. Again just my 1.00.
P.S I love the contour, I love my car, but the damn thing is way to fragile.
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posted August 02, 2002 01:03 AM
"Mr.Sulu....this topic has gone way off course."
It is unfortunate that you have had bad experiences with your cars Antonio. There is a bit of luck of the draw when it comes to cars. You have to pray that your car wasn't built at the end of a shift on a Friday sometimes. I don't think that you can catagorize all Contours into the realm of which you speak..i.e. "see the light". I know parts will break eventually but I plan on fixing them.
But anyway Antonio.....if I get someone who knows what they are doing to drive the strip, or I learn how to race, what do you think the capabilities are if she holds together?
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posted August 02, 2002 01:36 AM
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"Mr.Sulu....this topic has gone way off course."
It is unfortunate that you have had bad experiences with your cars Antonio. There is a bit of luck of the draw when it comes to cars. You have to pray that your car wasn't built at the end of a shift on a Friday sometimes. I don't think that you can catagorize all Contours into the realm of which you speak..i.e. "see the light". I know parts will break eventually but I plan on fixing them.
But anyway Antonio.....if I get someone who knows what they are doing to drive the strip, or I learn how to race, what do you think the capabilities are if she holds together?
kaiser, I have no clue. With the HP being claimed you should run 9's all day. Okay I am j/k. I would be happy if you break high 13's. I would love to see that in person.
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posted August 02, 2002 01:45 AM
I'd hope for more than high 13s for over $5K! You can spray with a Quaife and dip into the 13s.
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posted August 02, 2002 02:33 AM
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I'd hope for more than high 13s for over $5K! You can spray with a Quaife and dip into the 13s.
Boy you have a bug up your butt don't you.
This car will never be a DRAG car. Why compare it on such basic, rudimentary skills.
Without a lot of chassis work I don't see this car going very quick in the quarter mile ever. Plus most folks set it up for corner carving & handling (big surprise) & that makes getting traction even harder.
Fair guess - (low to mid 13's @108+)
Yes with that amount of power 12's should be had, but the chassis is not willing without sacrificing a lot in other areas...
Also you have to look at; once moving a S/C or T/C car is a monster. I've seen PhatSVT's car eat a C5, a WS6, & numerous Cobra's on the highway.
Throw in some corners and the LSD and you have one very mean package.
Think outside the 1/4 mile box for just once...
I've smoked more than my share of "much more powerful" cars at the local autocrosses.
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posted August 02, 2002 02:38 AM
It is all about one thing: Love for you car. You love the car you're driving, it doesn't matter how much money or time you put into it.
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posted August 02, 2002 02:42 AM
Contours are hit or miss, I have 28k on one with zero problems (other than dash board warp) and 89k on another. I am the third owner (I think) of the 95SE and the only major problem is a water leak in the trunk and my waterpump died (might be original for all I know)
I see nothing wrong with boosting the car. Like Buckshot, if this puppy blows, I'll just have to pick up the peices (literally ![[Mad]](mad.gif) ) and start again. All cars are prone to failure and even more so once you start tinkering with them.
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Officer Cartman
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posted August 02, 2002 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
I'd hope for more than high 13s for over $5K! You can spray with a Quaife and dip into the 13s.
Boy you have a bug up your butt don't you.
This car will never be a DRAG car. Why compare it on such basic, rudimentary skills.
Well, you guys keep talking about the amazing handling of the SVT, but a Vette will out-handle and out-accelerate the turbo SVT. And if we're going to go back to the cost discussion, you can get a Z28, spend a good $5K on suspension upgrades, and have one hell of a corner carver that still hauls ass in a straight line. And if you decide that low 13s isn't good enough, there's a ridiculous aftermarket to make it faster.
No bug up my butt, I'm just waiting for someone to make a valid arguement to justify the costs..
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posted August 02, 2002 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
I'd hope for more than high 13s for over $5K! You can spray with a Quaife and dip into the 13s.
Boy you have a bug up your butt don't you.
This car will never be a DRAG car. Why compare it on such basic, rudimentary skills.
Well, you guys keep talking about the amazing handling of the SVT, but a Vette will out-handle and out-accelerate the turbo SVT. And if we're going to go back to the cost discussion, you can get a Z28, spend a good $5K on suspension upgrades, and have one hell of a corner carver that still hauls ass in a straight line. And if you decide that low 13s isn't good enough, there's a ridiculous aftermarket to make it faster.
No bug up my butt, I'm just waiting for someone to make a valid arguement to justify the costs..
But that is not the point. The point is it has been done before. I've seen too many Z28s, Mustangs, Corvettes, etc hooked up. It is about doing something different. It is about giving more options for the Contour. Who really cares how it compares to another true sports car? Comparing a turbo SVT Contour to a Corvette, Z28, or Mustang is ubsurd. They aren't even in the same class.
Like I said before it comes down to love for your car. Just my .02
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posted August 02, 2002 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
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Originally posted by Officer Cartman:
I'd hope for more than high 13s for over $5K! You can spray with a Quaife and dip into the 13s.
Boy you have a bug up your butt don't you.
This car will never be a DRAG car. Why compare it on such basic, rudimentary skills.
Well, you guys keep talking about the amazing handling of the SVT, but a Vette will out-handle and out-accelerate the turbo SVT. And if we're going to go back to the cost discussion, you can get a Z28, spend a good $5K on suspension upgrades, and have one hell of a corner carver that still hauls ass in a straight line. And if you decide that low 13s isn't good enough, there's a ridiculous aftermarket to make it faster.
No bug up my butt, I'm just waiting for someone to make a valid arguement to justify the costs..
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posted August 02, 2002 05:12 PM
Officer about that comment on suspenison mods on vette or z28 there is no way in hell you can tell me that dollar for dollar they win in both catagories our car stock beats them just as bad as they get us in the quarter. It hard to get a heavy car to take turn against our cars even with suspesion I hand them the butt at the autocross stock and even the ones with race slicks
Waht really gets me at first people complain about the reason we can't compete is torque.
And now we have buttloads of it and now it transmission work. Duh more power more parts are needed to handle it .
great example go put nitrous or induction or even some bolt ons on a camaro and watch there clutch slip and also watch there rearend fall outfrom underneath which happens regularly . Oh but that okay that they have to get the rearend with eight bolts instead of one and a beefer clutch and add lsd to handle there 12 sec runs.
Face it guys there not many cars that run 12's besides 35k + cars without spending money to achieve it. Hell look at regular atx vettes running mid 13's with all the goodies.
Speed cost money and there no exception.
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posted August 02, 2002 06:43 PM
I think you will have a rather hard time hanging with 03 Cobras in the handling department. Remember, they are 4 wheel independant suspension also, and Ford seems to have worked the bugs out of the IRS this year. Too bad they haven't fixed the traction lok with something better.
I think turboing the 'Tour is entirely worth it. It makes one hell of a sleeper. Just don't inflate your ego to the point where you think you can take on anything on the road.
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posted August 02, 2002 06:55 PM
If you figure this out We got Phatsvt's tour Vs. a Cobra.
Theres Plenty of room for 4 in Phats and pretty much room for only 2 in a Cobra.
Phats can out corner a Cobra
Phats Cost about the same over all say 23k plus well say about 5k for the SC and its just as fast there are less of them and it can out handle and carry more people. Now we all know the problems with the SC and hopefully the TC won't have the same. Hell you gotta figure LSD for a Tour is 600 buck uninstalled its 300 more than the stock ford one i know i just had a stock differential put in.
ANyone can go out and Buy a cobra pretty much and anyone can Buy a SVT contour. But a Contour is alot more rare than a Cobra and A Forced induction SVT is even more rare. I love my SVT to death. and i want to supercharge it. Do i care if it breaks? ya but its the price you pay. Any car that is not N/A is gonna have problems sooner or later and if you make a N/A car Forced induction its gonna have problems alot sooner. But its the price you pay if you wanna go faster.
I just think to each his own. Everytime i down the road i see cars that can smoke me but i know theres a million of them. ex. Mustang Gt's Z28's
But i know that if where on a auto X corse or a really windy road then there not gonna be able to touch me.
You want a Drag car for cheap Buy a Foxbody Stang.
I wanted a rare fast car
and i know So did Phatsvt and he accomplished that. Imagine the look on a Cobra drivers face when he is barely keeping up with a Svt contour
thats all i got to say
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posted August 02, 2002 06:57 PM
03 Cobra is a different story that thing is just insane
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posted August 02, 2002 07:28 PM
Plus the Cobra's interior is still not as good as an SVT interior in my opinion.
Also its NOT about cost. Its about love of the car. Why not get a 4 cylinder 4banger 1982 mustang and rip the engine and put a carb 351W and strip it. Heck it will probably run 10's all day on slicks. It will be much cheaper than a Contour SVT with a turbo but SO WHAT! If someone wants to put a turbo on a Contour and have a strong running car for the highway and street then so be it.
Also, I will say that I'm sure that a ContourSVT putting 300HP to the wheels will give a NON Z06 vette a run on the highway until it hits rev limiter. I used to have a 330HP (on the motor) Mercury Capri RS until recently. I also own an SVT with mild mods and can tell you that IF my svt had 330HP on the motor, it would outdo my Capri RS. You may say so what but I've raced plenty of 93+ LT1 vettes on the highway and once C5 from 130KM/hr to 245km/hr and he was behind 1.5 cars. We started out side by side.
The contour is NOT a drag car and nobody is building it as a drag car. The contour is a highway car.
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posted August 03, 2002 01:45 AM
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Plus the Cobra's interior is still not as good as an SVT interior in my opinion.
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posted August 03, 2002 01:59 AM
Plus the nice thing about the Contour SVT is that its a more attractive car and more practical. Yes its not a real performance car but if I could only own one car and it was either a mustang cobra or a contour svt. I'd chose the contour svt because its more comfortable and practical. With some mods it could get fast enough as well.
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posted August 03, 2002 11:21 AM
Being prettier or more attractive is simply your opinion. IMO, the Cobra is one of the best looking cars on the road. I love the interior, even if it is a bit smaller than the 'Tour. You guys need to stop spouting your opinions as if they were facts. Not everyone feels as you do.
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