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TheGreatOne
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posted June 03, 2002 08:28 PM      Profile for TheGreatOne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Just wondering...say you took a guy and sat him on abike, and strapped it to a dyno, how much HP/Torque you think he would make? I'm thinking in the gas powered lawn mower range...

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i have no clue but that is an interesting question.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheGreatOne:
Dyno'ed at 175.3HP/155.5TQ

Is this you or your car? [Wink]

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Before or after Taco Bell?

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haha...seriously though, I'd like to know...off to google!!

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posted June 03, 2002 09:21 PM      Profile for Antiramie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Around 1-2 hp.

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quote:
Originally posted by GASPowered:
Before or after Taco Bell?

Thats like strappin' on a blower!!!

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Maybe we'll have to find out at the National Meet! I'm sure we can find a bike, and we are doing a dyno day... [Wink]
Any volunteers?

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posted June 03, 2002 09:25 PM      Profile for TheGSRGuy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
In my freshman (HS) Physics we figured it to run up a flight of 25 stairs. It took about 1.89HP for me.

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There was something about this on the Discovery channel once. The average human generates about 1.7 horsepower (through thier legs I suppose)

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Um, I'm a bit skeptical, as I don't see any human being able to do more work than a horse...

Strap yourself into a yoke and see how far you get in the field. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of 1/3 hp/human.

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Maybe a really small horse, like a shetland pony [Big Grin]

Seriously, I thought a horsepower was 33000 pound-feet/min

I just love this website, so check it out.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/horsepower.htm

But if my little lawnmower has 6HP, I've gotta be close to two or three [Big Grin]

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posted June 03, 2002 09:36 PM      Profile for Antiramie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Sandman333:
Um, I'm a bit skeptical, as I don't see any human being able to do more work than a horse...

Strap yourself into a yoke and see how far you get in the field. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of 1/3 hp/human.

Pulling a wagon: no a human probably wont reach the power of a horse.

Running/bicycling: yes, a human can achieve > ~747 watts.

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posted June 03, 2002 09:38 PM      Profile for TheGSRGuy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Horsepower is an archaic term. I used to know where it came from, but all I can remember is a horse pulling a certain weight stone through a pulley. I think it was the ability to move 33,000lbs 1 inch in 1 hour.

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Let's do some math. When I was about 200#, I could run 2 miles in 13 minutes. (No we didn't measure with sundials back then!)

So that's moving 200# about 10560 feet or about 2112000 poundfeet. Take that and divide by 13, and then take that number and divide by 33K, and you get about 4.9HP

FWIW,

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quote:
Originally posted by Antiramie:
quote:
Originally posted by Sandman333:
Um, I'm a bit skeptical, as I don't see any human being able to do more work than a horse...

Strap yourself into a yoke and see how far you get in the field. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of 1/3 hp/human.

Pulling a wagon: no a human probably wont reach the power of a horse.

Running/bicycling: yes, a human can achieve > ~747 watts.

You, as a human, only have a finite amount of power. Just because you change the mode of transmission doesn't mean that you suddenly gain power. I'm still skeptical.

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Um, just so you know a horsepower is the ability to moce 550lbs 1in. in 1sec.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sandman333:
quote:
Originally posted by Antiramie:
quote:
Originally posted by Sandman333:
Um, I'm a bit skeptical, as I don't see any human being able to do more work than a horse...

Strap yourself into a yoke and see how far you get in the field. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of 1/3 hp/human.

Pulling a wagon: no a human probably wont reach the power of a horse.

Running/bicycling: yes, a human can achieve > ~747 watts.

You, as a human, only have a finite amount of power. Just because you change the mode of transmission doesn't mean that you suddenly gain power. I'm still skeptical.
But it does work that way. Just like a horse cannot move 1# 33000 ft in one minute, or probably couldn't pick up 33000# one foot.

It's just a number, but not all combinations of 33K lbs-ft are realistic.

And I suspect a horse really can do more than one horsepower of work.

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quote:
Originally posted by OhSigmaChi:
Um, just so you know a horsepower is the ability to moce 550lbs 1in. in 1sec.

Which is a compressed way of saying 33K lbs-feet in 60 seconds.

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Originally posted by javaContour:
Let's do some math. When I was about 200#, I could run 2 miles in 13 minutes. (No we didn't measure with sundials back then!)

So that's moving 200# about 10560 feet or about 2112000 poundfeet. Take that and divide by 13, and then take that number and divide by 33K, and you get about 4.9HP

FWIW,

TB

But laterally moving 200# over 10560 feet is much different than lifting it vertically for the same distance.

Try climbing 10560 feet in 13minutes and you'll know what I mean.

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quote:
Originally posted by Antiramie:
quote:
Originally posted by Sandman333:
[qb]Um, I'm a bit skeptical, as I don't see any human being able to do more work than a horse...

Pulling a wagon: no a human probably wont reach the power of a horse.
I guess you have never watched the tough man [Eek!] competition on ESPN. [Wink] Some strong MOFO's on there.

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Just an example, there has to be some amount of work to move my body 2 miles. With work being force * distance.

It would be that nearly 5HP if I climbed, so what is the work to move on a flat surface.

There has to be work involved, even if you are not climbing. Otherwise, I wouldn't need to continously apply the force my legs apply to keep moving.

Yes, I doubt it is nearly 5 horsepower, but I do believe it to be more than 1.

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Your body makes X horsepower regardless of whether you're running 40 miles or 40 feet.

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JC, the method of measuring horsepower assumes that the horse is lifting against gravity, not moving laterally along the ground. No matter how you hook your bicycle up, you will not lift that load at the same rate a horse can, sorry.

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Originally posted by Sandman333:
JC, the method of measuring horsepower assumes that the horse is lifting against gravity, not moving laterally along the ground. No matter how you hook your bicycle up, you will not lift that load at the same rate a horse can, sorry.

Why not, maybe I can move my legs faster than a horse [Wink]

Just like in cars, there are different ways to make horsepower. Lots of displacement means horsepower at low RPMs (in the case of engines) or high RPMs in very small engines like the case of the Formula-1 car.

I think it is odd to think that little one cubic foot lump on my lawnmower can do the work of 6 horses, yet it can.

Likewise, your Contour engine can do the work of 170+ horses?

Or a top fuel dragster producing the power of over 1000 horses. Yet all of these things are possible.

I do believe a man can do the same work as a horse.

But not all day long. That's where the horse has the advantage, the ability to consistently do that work for a long time.

Now let's look at it another way. It takes a 200HP SVT about 16 seconds to run the 1/4 mile. That's a 3000# vehicle to use round numbers.

Let's say a 150# man can run that quarter mile in 60 seconds. Relatively speaking, wouldn't that require about 2.4HP to run 400m in 60 seconds?

However, I know that's not exactly right since the car is continously accerating, while the man reaches top speed, hopefully faster than 60 seconds.

But I think it is not impossible to imagine a human doing a horsepowers worth of work for a short period of time.

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