Simple clarification of ideal 3.0L build.

[elraido]

with an engine swap you are going for max hp,or max performance, or something simlilar. not drivability when halfassing a project.

You simply don't get it. One reason why people do an engine swap in these things is because it is vastly cheaper to do a 3.0L than rebuilt their old 2.5 or put in another 2.5. Not everyone is looking for max hp/performance. One reason why I sold my old 3.0L was because of the drivability of it. Not because I couldn't handle it, but because the wife didn't like to ride in it. It physically made her motion sick. I loved the car....and it was a full 3.0L. I personally think the 3.0L is the better build. But I also know from being on here long enough, that most of the time a portmatched swap is easier.

[aboythatskates]

i have nothing against port matched except halfassing a project. if you need a stock look or have svt parts, or halfassing and not getting a tune, then yes a portmatched is your only option. if you want a portmatched and you do everything correctly, larger injectors, tune, ect.

as i said before, if you have an svt it might be easier. having a cougar, i was not going to waste time to locate svt parts, then having to install them, then id still have to locate larger split port injectors. even with #19s you need larger so that is half assing.

1. a portmatch is a very good option, if you are doing it right.
2. if you arnt. like not getting a tune, or some other crap like that, then port match is your only option.
2. if you have a car other then an csvt, then the easiest is a full without having to source parts. but like u said, if u do have an csvt, a portmatched might be easier. its even easier to half ass it though.

if i build a car, i built it right. that is my argument.

while im for both types of swaps. im not for halfassing. which is exactly what half of you do apparently, which is also none of my business. wasting 2 grand for the best is better then wasting 2 grand for slightly more hp and a car that doesnt run correctly

[elraido]

i have nothing against port matched except halfassing a project. if you need a stock look or have svt parts, or halfassing and not getting a tune, then yes a portmatched is your only option. if you want a portmatched and you do everything correctly, larger injectors, tune, ect.

as i said before, if you have an svt it might be easier. having a cougar, i was not going to waste time to locate svt parts, then having to install them, then id still have to locate larger split port injectors. even with #19s you need larger so that is half assing.

1. a portmatch is a very good option, if you are doing it right.
2. if you arnt. like not getting a tune, or some other crap like that, then port match is your only option.
2. if you have a car other then an csvt, then the easiest is a full without having to source parts. but like u said, if u do have an csvt, a portmatched might be easier. its even easier to half ass it though.

if i build a car, i built it right. that is my argument.

while im for both types of swaps. im not for halfassing. which is exactly what half of you do apparently, which is also none of my business. wasting 2 grand for the best is better then wasting 2 grand for slightly more hp and a car that doesnt run correctly

Explain to us why a port match is "halfassing it".

[FastFord]

I will just say that I have done 2 port matched swaps and a full 3L swap and the full 3L for sure pulled harder.

On another note, its pretty simple guys. A full 3L is for someone that is looking for performance and doesnt mind spending a little extra money and time. A split port is for someone that just needs the car back on the road in stock form without costing too much. The whole one is better than the other is just stupid, each swap has its benefits and drawbacks. The thing of needing a tune on a split port isnt right, yes its ideal but most people that have to replace an engine in their $3k car dont want to spend another $500 on a tune, while some of us have more $ in parts than the car is worth.

[elraido]

I will just say that I have done 2 port matched swaps and a full 3L swap and the full 3L for sure pulled harder.

On another note, its pretty simple guys. A full 3L is for someone that is looking for performance and doesnt mind spending a little extra money and time. A split port is for someone that just needs the car back on the road in stock form without costing too much. The whole one is better than the other is just stupid, each swap has its benefits and drawbacks. The thing of needing a tune on a split port isnt right, yes its ideal but most people that have to replace an engine in their $3k car dont want to spend another $500 on a tune, while some of us have more $ in parts than the car is worth.

Freaking thank you.

[CSVT1214]

Freaking thank you.

+1

I've been driving my "half-assed" un-tuned 3L hybrid (double half-assed?) swap since 2005 for 58k miles now. Why? Because I honestly don't give a enough of crap to swap or tune for maximum gains. My original engine blew back in the day when it was my only vehicle, and a 3L hybrid was the quickest and easiest route at the time. At the end of the day, even if I tune or swap for another 3L setup, it's still slower than my stock daily driver.

I will tune eventually for more power, but my SVT is far from "half-assed" just because of a tune.

[dairdevyld]

Technically any mods made without a tune afterwords could be considered "half-assed". So I think applying that philosophy to an engine swap is foolish. I think the majority of people making changes to their cars, do what they can and try to get the most bang for their bang while still preserving drive-ability. For the large majority of us that would make a full 3.0L a lot harder than a port-matched swap, especially taking into account the parts nautilusperformance.com and bugzuki have come up with.

[aboythatskates]

a port matched isnt half assed. the way most of you do it is.
while you think your car is driving "good" without a tune, its actually not. so if ur cheep and dont give about an engine running correctly, get portmatched, because it will run better then a full 3l without a tune. and you can also tune for milage, it doesnt have to be performace,

[FastFord]

a port matched isnt half assed. the way most of you do it is.
while you think your car is driving "good" without a tune, its actually not. so if ur cheep and dont give about an engine running correctly, get portmatched, because it will run better then a full 3l without a tune. and you can also tune for milage, it doesnt have to be performace,

But why spend at least $500 on a tune for an engine that costs less than $500 just to have it running "good" in a $3k car?

My whole problem with the port match setup is your porting out heads designed to flow with oval ports and slapping completely different intake runners on, which has to hurt the air flow into the heads. So again to me that setup isnt "ideal", but does it work and is it the easier cheaper way to go? YES

The full 3L can be half assed too, rigging up a throttle bracket, mounting the coil pack, my oil cap doesnt fit under the hood, running all new vac lines, EGR. Most people rig all this stuff together making it sort of half assed and not stock looking.

I guess I should also add that one of the port matched swaps I did has complete bolt ons, headers, Y, cat delete, 2.5" catback, CAI and no tune. That car runs no different than the stock 2.5 SVT I was in the other day... If we were talking about cars that were worth more than $5k max, the whole tuning thing would be a different story.

[troll96se]

people who are still modding these cars arent doing it because it makes sense financially, they're doing it bc they want to. so if it doesnt make sense to tune a 3k dollar car for 500 dollars how does it make sense to spend 1000 on a diff, or 2500 on a turbo, 800 on suspension?
, 1) tunes can be had for much cheaper if you look around, 2) run what makes you feel good. they both have positives and negatives, both make similar power after the ecu is tuned and all things considered in the end they'll end up costing you the same in time and money.
anyone that says that they've gone through all the work of porting and prepping a 3L without ANY care for performance is straight up not being honest, just get the damn thing tuned and stop telling yourself your untuned ported/hybrid/split port/full 3L is running is good as it should be.