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CSVT and an Acura Integra Type R

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Don't you think that's a little bit of a stretch?

Please read the actual thread and see the "times" and "history" that is proven.. its so close that its a toss up with a slight edge being given to the ITR (id give it like 55 out of 100 races).. There is no "eating alive" of everything in its path.. there is no "fast revving" anything (at least, not by comparison to the V6 Duratec, which is a fairly fast revving engine, in and of itself)

Its just a different approach to the same answer... you can get to the end of a track in it..

You're a :censored::censored::censored::censored:ing retard. I'm talking about road courses autox. Read the post idiot. The CSVT is handling car yes and can be made to handle better, but by no means is it in the ITR league. I don't give 2 hoots about your drag racing times BS and pussy can drive in a straight line. The car was meant to be going door to door on a track with TURNS!
 
You're back pedaling quite nicely. Please review your prior post from a few posts back. In it you point out how the SVT is better suited for turns, and autoXing and couldn't possibly compete with a "DRAG" car like the ITR. Once I point out that the ITR doesn't "eat anything alive" like you say, you then turn around and try to back pedal away and say that you don't care about drag and the ITR is NOW a car built for handling.. Which is it, man?

Also, I'd ask that you not personally insult me or use such langauge on this forum if you don't like what you read.


Please see below.. and have a nice day.
(segments in bold seem to state that you liken the ITR to drag, etc.. which is in complete opposition to your latest post..)

Thinkmoto said:
The CSVT is not a drag car like the ITR. These are drivers cars, just the ITr is meant to eat alive anything in its way on the track. The track records of the ITR speak for themselves. The CSVT and Cougar have been raced with nothing but a track record of blowing transmissions, headgaskets and racking up DNF's.
(there are no "records" of those failures on an autoX or road course, so you're obviously talking about drag)

If you want to find out if your CSVT can hold its own go to an open track day and find out. And if you half a brain you'll be autoxing it or at a track the has TURNS!
(again, you're pointing out that the SVT is more suited to turns VS drag, in opposition to the ITR as it would seem.
 
You're back pedaling quite nicely. Please review your prior post from a few posts back. In it you point out how the SVT is better suited for turns, and autoXing and couldn't possibly compete with a "DRAG" car like the ITR. Once I point out that the ITR doesn't "eat anything alive" like you say, you then turn around and try to back pedal away and say that you don't care about drag and the ITR is NOW a car built for handling.. Which is it, man?

Also, I'd ask that you not personally insult me or use such langauge on this forum if you don't like what you read.


Please see below.. and have a nice day.
(segments in bold seem to state that you liken the ITR to drag, etc.. which is in complete opposition to your latest post..)

(there are no "records" of those failures on an autoX or road course, so you're obviously talking about drag)

([/B]again, you're pointing out that the SVT is more suited to turns VS drag, in opposition to the ITR as it would seem.

You aren't the only one who read it that way either
 
You're back pedaling quite nicely. Please review your prior post from a few posts back. In it you point out how the SVT is better suited for turns, and autoXing and couldn't possibly compete with a "DRAG" car like the ITR. Once I point out that the ITR doesn't "eat anything alive" like you say, you then turn around and try to back pedal away and say that you don't care about drag and the ITR is NOW a car built for handling.. Which is it, man?

Also, I'd ask that you not personally insult me or use such langauge on this forum if you don't like what you read.


Please see below.. and have a nice day.
(segments in bold seem to state that you liken the ITR to drag, etc.. which is in complete opposition to your latest post..)

(there are no "records" of those failures on an autoX or road course, so you're obviously talking about drag)

([/B]again, you're pointing out that the SVT is more suited to turns VS drag, in opposition to the ITR as it would seem.


I'm not back pedaling one but. excuse me I don't proof read my posts. I meant to say the CSVt is not sutied for drag racing nor is the ITR. Is that better?

I'm sure its not because you like 90% of cegers love to argue and point fingers. i don't proof read or spell check. I speak my mind and thats that. And yes the ITR did eat other cars alive on the track....you obviously don't pay much attention to SCCA racing at all. Maybe NOW it doesn't as most who have ran those cars have graduated to newer models as that platform is dead.

And yes there are plenty of accounts of dead CSVT's and Cougars with dead trannys and motors. This website is ONE BIG account of it. Ask Mumm about the longevitity of the MTX75...I'm sure he'll have some positive feedabck. Why do you think terry Haines has made a living on rebuilding the damn things. They don't hold up not even to stock power output, even when driven with care.

The ITR is better then the CSVT period. But, this is an apple to oranges comparison. The ITR is in a different league compared to the CSVT. Its a better car all together.

Like I said before have a nice day and yes you are an idiot. And I will insult you all I want because its a free country and I'd do it if we where having this conversation in person. Ask anyone in the WICEG I am no different in person then I am on the internet. I fear no argument and enjoy it. Once again have a nice day idiot :)
 
I'm not back pedaling one but. excuse me I don't proof read my posts. I meant to say the CSVt is not sutied for drag racing nor is the ITR. Is that better?

I'm sure its not because you like 90% of cegers love to argue and point fingers. i don't proof read or spell check. I speak my mind and thats that. And yes the ITR did eat other cars alive on the track....you obviously don't pay much attention to SCCA racing at all. Maybe NOW it doesn't as most who have ran those cars have graduated to newer models as that platform is dead.

The ITR is better then the CSVT period. But, this is an apple to oranges comparison. The ITR is in a different league compared to the CSVT. Its a better car all together.

You may have meant to say it but you werent even that close to saying it that way in the first place. You made the ITR sound like a dragster and the CSVT sound like a corner carver.

And yes modified ITRs do quite well but so do modified Civics and RSX models so whats the point? That platform was a proven winner and is still one of the all time best front wheel drive platforms ever, which is why people still use it and people still make a ton of parts for it.

I wouldnt say the ITR is "better" because its a totally different car. It was a Japanese factory tuned hatchback that was already an accepted winner whereas the CSVT was a European sporty sedan with some minor factory tuning. They were never meant to compete with each other but were both magazine darlings because of their relatively low cost to fun ratio.
 
some comparison huh, take a car thats almost half the weight with almost as much engine and factory tuned suspension and compare it to a performance tuned family sedan. What do you mean 90% of cegers love to argue and point fingers. Gawd, I mean seriously, wouldnt this be a much more productive discussion if you weren't insulting people?

If you do want to compare the two of them you have to take some other factors into account as well. CSVT is a 4 door that 4 average sized adults can fit into comfortably. I have a harder time fitting the front seat of an ITR than I do my contour. ITR is a hatchback, but you can almost fit as much in the trunk of a contour as you can the hatch of an ITR. CSVT is a lot less of a pain to drive in the winter than an ITR, granted they are both a pain and I kick myself every day for having SVT suspension on my car back when I was in north dakota.

Yeah the CSVT has a weak transmission. ITR has the contour beat there, but as far as coolant problems go, well they are about tied. They have leaks contours have bad pumps. Our problems can be fixed and not come back in that case. Now I cant say for sure if the ITR is prone to head failures at a higher rate than a CSVT because the owners abuse them more so it would probably not be a big difference, but seriously. I like contours, I dont think an ITR is a better car, its just a different car in a different class. There is no comparison between them, because, the CSVT offers thing the ITR doesnt in exchange for the better track performance the ITR gets. Plus lets face it, if the CSVT had the kinda aftermarket support that the ITR gets, we would have a lot more monsters on this forum. BTW the only place I can think of that this platform has gotten much race exposure is European rally circuit, and that was VERY different from the domestic version of the platform. but still as I hear it, it did fairly well. The difference between an ITR and a CSVT is to make an ITR into a street monster all you need is your daddy's credit card, to make a CSVT into a street monster you need skill, hard work and determination, along with some cash and fabrication skills. Some kid in an ITR may be able to beat me on a track, but I bet most of them cant pop the hood and do anything underneath but show off the shiney parts they bought from a catalog.

You want a good car, buy a second Gen escort :D Gawd I wish mine never got stolen.

on a related note, can someone give me some measurements for the headlights on an integra, I need to know the size of the twin round headlights, as in the diameter or the lense, total width of the module and the depth of the headlights.
 
some comparison huh, take a car thats almost half the weight with almost as much engine and factory tuned suspension and compare it to a performance tuned family sedan.

Say what????

You're telling me an ITR weighs roughly 1400-1500 lbs? Yeah. Ok.

2.5L V6 > 2.0L I4...not close.
 
no its closer to 2200 lbs, I was just trying to make a point. BTW last time I took a contour over a scale I saw a weight of 3250 in a stock contour with me not in it. So where do you get 1400 lbs from? And I say almost as much motor not in reference to displacement, I meant that referring to output ITR ~195 HP
 
well I dont know how you got that, but anyways, I have a MTX V6 and I have driven it over the truck scales half a dozen times at the farm and thats what I come up with, and I know those scales read right because I was there when the inspector came out to recertify them.
 
no its closer to 2200 lbs, I was just trying to make a point. BTW last time I took a contour over a scale I saw a weight of 3250 in a stock contour with me not in it. So where do you get 1400 lbs from? And I say almost as much motor not in reference to displacement, I meant that referring to output ITR ~195 HP

But they're nowhere near 2200 pounds. They rolled out the factory weighing 2700+ which wasnt that much lighter than the regular GSR everyone already had. Plus the Contour isnt that much heavier right at 3000 pounds. As far as power the dyno plots tell you the true story. The 2.5 puts out power from the get go as well as putting down torque while the 1.8 needs plenty of revs to put out that peak power while it puts down the usual low torque that Hondas are known for.
 
You may have meant to say it but you werent even that close to saying it that way in the first place. You made the ITR sound like a dragster and the CSVT sound like a corner carver.

And yes modified ITRs do quite well but so do modified Civics and RSX models so whats the point? That platform was a proven winner and is still one of the all time best front wheel drive platforms ever, which is why people still use it and people still make a ton of parts for it.

I wouldnt say the ITR is "better" because its a totally different car. It was a Japanese factory tuned hatchback that was already an accepted winner whereas the CSVT was a European sporty sedan with some minor factory tuning. They were never meant to compete with each other but were both magazine darlings because of their relatively low cost to fun ratio.


I'll say it again. This is an apple to oranges comparison. The ITR is an all together better car. I know the civic and RSX platforms are good...duh who doesn't? My old del sol handled almost as well as my old built CSVT and it had :censored::censored::censored::censored: for tires compared to the parada spec 2's I had on the svt. If you want to keep whining about the fact I mistyped what I was trying to say go right ahead. Your arguing a mute point now with that.

And for the tool from dakota or whatever your name is. yes 90% of CEGers love to argue pointless things...like this thread for instance. :censored::censored::censored::censored: I'm one of them, I just can't stand listening to you guys talk out of your ass about the ITR. The CSVT is a family sedan "tuned" suspension or not its not anything the ITR is. Likewise the ITR is not a family car or a person,grocery junk hauler like the CSVT is.

They both have there place one on the street hauling fat ass's the other on the track hauling ass.
 
I'll say it again. This is an apple to oranges comparison. The ITR is an all together better car. I know the civic and RSX platforms are good...duh who doesn't? My old del sol handled almost as well as my old built CSVT and it had :censored::censored::censored::censored: for tires compared to the parada spec 2's I had on the svt. If you want to keep whining about the fact I mistyped what I was trying to say go right ahead. Your arguing a mute point now with that.

And for the tool from dakota or whatever your name is. yes 90% of CEGers love to argue pointless things...like this thread for instance. :censored::censored::censored::censored: I'm one of them, I just can't stand listening to you guys talk out of your ass about the ITR. The CSVT is a family sedan "tuned" suspension or not its not anything the ITR is. Likewise the ITR is not a family car or a person,grocery junk hauler like the CSVT is.

They both have there place one on the street hauling fat ass's the other on the track hauling ass.
So, when did you become a woman....because it must be that time of the month AND you like to create drama. Need a hug....flowers....a date for valentines day....or are you cranky because you have no date? :shrug:
 
And for the tool from dakota or whatever your name is. yes 90% of CEGers love to argue pointless things...like this thread for instance. :censored::censored::censored::censored: I'm one of them, I just can't stand listening to you guys talk out of your ass about the ITR. The CSVT is a family sedan "tuned" suspension or not its not anything the ITR is. Likewise the ITR is not a family car or a person,grocery junk hauler like the CSVT is.


the tool from dakota huh.

Jeez go take a :censored::censored::censored::censored:ing midol.

You hate the CSVT so much and love your ITR so much, go on the ITR forums and sing their praises. I said they are two cars with 2 completely different purposes so there is no sense in comparing the two. ONE IS NOT BETTER THAN ANOTHER, they just serve different purposes. One is only better than the other in a given situation, for instance an ITR is better if you are a little wannabe racer who has access to your mommy and daddy's credit card, or if you are a lonely single guy in his 30s hoping that the car will help him pick up some highschool tail. You keep saying how everyone here is arguing pointless things, we have been trying to have a discussion about it comparing the pros and cons, you are the only jackass arguing. BTW how did it get to a forum about your unnatural love for an ITR, the guy was just trying to figure out their differences in a quarter mile. God I wouldnt think a thread this old would have so many anal retentive people clinging to it. Seriously you sound like a junkie trying to get his fix.

Plus I gotta restate my point, if contours had the aftermarket that acura and honda has, they would be track monsters.
 
I'll say it again. This is an apple to oranges comparison. The ITR is an all together better car. I know the civic and RSX platforms are good...duh who doesn't? My old del sol handled almost as well as my old built CSVT and it had :censored::censored::censored::censored: for tires compared to the parada spec 2's I had on the svt. If you want to keep whining about the fact I mistyped what I was trying to say go right ahead. Your arguing a mute point now with that.

And why wouldnt your Civic del Sol handle well since its a Civic? Its not that you mistyped and it was a silly error but you mistyped the same thing more than once and changed the entire argument.
 
So, when did you become a woman....because it must be that time of the month AND you like to create drama. Need a hug....flowers....a date for valentines day....or are you cranky because you have no date? :shrug:


Sorry douchebag I'm married no need for flowers. Maybe you need the date since you brought it up.
 
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