Team M Factor LSD

[hylix]

Thank you for taking some sort of action, and getting this GB back on track. I'm done with our dispute (assuming the diff arrives as expected, in perfect working order).

I'll confirm receipt once I have it.

Yeah paypal can really burn you if you're not fully familiar with the terms of use. Most people who aren't "Pro sellers" are not fully aware.

To keep from getting burned, I try to remember these "rules":

As a buyer:
1. Don't send money as a gift, when it's really for a purchase. You have no rights to dispute if something goes wrong here.
2. Don't make a "deposit" rather than paying in full. You also forfeit your dispute rights by doing this, even if you already paid the full balance.
3. Letting the buyer protection window close on an incomplete transaction. if it never ships, it's your loss.

As a seller,
1. You have to make sure you account for the fees in your asking price, if the fees are significant enough to worry about.
2. Sending to an address other than the one that was supplied to you by paypal. This can trigger an automatic refund if the buyer pushes the dispute button.
3. Be aware of the conditions that grant "automatic refund" to the buyer.
4. Don't delay the shipping of a product because you're "too busy". This is a lame excuse. If you cant handle shipping the thing, require local pickup only, or don't sell it.

You see Justin, your introduction to this group buy asked to violate the first two rules of being a buyer. and you tried to violate the third with your shipping/manufacturing delays. This is a major influence on why I didn't hesitate to file a claim, after giving you a chance with a very lengthy wait.

I don't want anyone to get burned. I'm not afraid to be "that guy" that causes a ruckus if things start to get weird.

Alright, I'm done. Sorry for being a dork.

[FrancisPennysac]

I'd imagine you'd have to pay the $225 that you pocketed for over-charging people at the 5-person group buy rate, if the total order fell under 10 people... Maybe MFactory will work with you on that too and keep the group buy rate at 10-person. I don't know... But it's something you should consider.




Well for starters, I know I wasn't notified that we made the 10 person group buy rate, perhaps the other members were. I paid the 5 person group buy rate. I don't have a problem with a group buy organizer pocketing some cash for their efforts... It is a lot of work. But I expect the organizer to be upfront about it. Helping yourself to other people's money, because you "...already put in more work than [you] expected" is dishonest on some level. Despite that, I had no intentions to get that $25 back. I was ready to let it go, but here we are, you called me out, and I'm backing up my claims.

I want a answer to this, If I was ROBBED of my 25$ that I went out of my way to send you, Im going to be VERY EXTREMELY fking mad... Im not in the business of GIVING my money away to people.

And If Im being honest this WHOLE ENTIRE THING felt like a joke and scam from the gate, I feel like I i didn't start arguing and jumping down your throat I would have NEVER gotten anything.

No Offence but I WILL post the EXACT PM you sent me saying we DID NOT make the 10person rate.. <<<<That is the impression I was giving, I paid 550$ to you and then sent another 25$ your way when you said my diff was there... So in turn I paid 575$. I have ALL messages that were set back and forth and i'd be MORE than happy to post them.

I don't care that it's holidays, or your having a hard time.. EVERYONE IS. especially when dkheads decide it's cool to POCKET my money for no reason then they think somethings "hard" Well my advice would be to NOT setup stuff like this..that's your own fault man.

I didn't realize ANYTHING was suspicious after I got my diff I just simply checked this post to see where everyone else was at..and after reading the last 2 pages, I feel like you just pocketed my 25$... So I can't expect honesty from the track record I have seen so far... but Im just gonna ask.

Wtf did everyone else pay for their diffs???? I was told it was 550$ +25$ for shipping it... bcuz we DID NOT meet the 10 person limit.

SO SVO... wtf is going on??? please man.. just be honest.



As A side note SVO DID send me a invoice for the Diffs that were ordered at the time, and I was able to verify it with Mfactory. So SVO IS being honest to some extent. But when I got time to get my diff, I sent my other 25$ and heard ZERO in response.. and then a week later my diff just showed up. COMPLETE and with it's full warranty and box and everything... again I am very grateful for all this but I DO NOT want people to pocket my money... I don't care i you took 1 cent from me.. IT WAS NOT YOURS.

[hylix]

I received the diff you sent me, SVOFANATIC. Thanks, again for getting things back in motion (I'm assuming the last remaining diffs are shipping now too).

So, the "10th person" didn't join in until some time well after the GB was underway, and everyone had paid. Apparently MFactory still gave the 10 person price break. This was reflected on a later invoice, if I understand correctly.

It seems the "cut off" date for the GB price was kind of arbitrary, and wasn't set or enforced by MFactory.

I don't really care as much about losing the $25, as I do about how it was handled.

[FrancisPennysac]

Im cutting ALL red tape today boys,

Here is the message I was sent and you can see according to this he only bought 3000$ worth of Diffs. Take from this what you will. At this time, and you can double check this post for accuracy, we were told the diffs were ordered and sent and we were "waiting"
Below is the EXACT message I was sent


Transaction Details
Debit Card Purchase (Unique Transaction ID #7DN63358WK824701L)
Original AuthorizationDate Type Status Details Amount
Sep 20, 2015 Debit Card Signature (6411) Purchase Completed ... -$3,000.00 USD
Related TransactionsDate Type Status Details Amount
Sep 17, 2015 Authorization To IN *SYNCHROTECH TRANSM,SAN DIMAS,CA, Completed Details -$3,000.00 USD
Sep 17, 2015 Temporary Hold Placed Details -$3,000.00 USD
Sep 20, 2015 Temporary Hold Removed Details $3,000.00 USD
Original Authorization:
Total Payment: -$3,000.00 USD
-$3,000.00 USD
Merchant: IN *SYNCHROTECH TRANSM 909-5925900 CA
Purchase Date: Sep 20, 2015
Authorized Amount: -$3,000.00 USD
Authorization Date: Sep 17, 2015
Time: 15:04:35 PDT
Status: Completed
Net Amount: -$3,000.00 USD
Status: Completed

If you have a problem with a transaction on your PayPal Business Debit MasterCard®, you can dispute the transaction. The transaction status must appear as complete before you can dispute the transaction.

Here is where the first part was paid. I have Duke from NECO freaking out as well you two will be the first to get yours Thomas has his if I hadn't paid he, nor Jim, nor I would have gotten one. And 3 diff's doesn't equal $3000 (I wish I could just keep it all LMAO). I'll call them tomorrow and get an update I haven't talked to them in awhile and I'm curious what's going on myself as they haven't contacted me. (I hope they just lost my number). "





It all seems like abunch of bull. I know I got my diff but I want everyone else to be aware what this guy is doing, He's lying, and I dunno wtf he is doing with your money but It sure seems fishy to me

As of now I just sent him a personal message DEMANDING my 25$ back and I suggest you all do the same, THere is evidence adn PROOF that the diff's should have costed 550$ period. Not a penny more and THAT is shipped.

So again i say I paid 550$+25$ and I went short on my rent to do it because he SWORE he needed it "get my diff sent out" I hates Liars and Theives. and NO MATTER WHAT I will get what is mine. I informed him he has 2 weeks to return my 25$ or I will simply contact the local police and provide THEM with all the information. If anyone of you want to see the messages sent back adn forth or anything else PLEASE contact me and I will provide my PERSONAL #

Thanks and BE AWARE of this

[Seafire XV]

Thanks for the info. While I understand the delays that can happen when shipping large items from overseas, this is beginning to get ridiculous. As I see it from reading all the posts, there are only two of us left that haven't received our diffs. It has been nearly 4 months from the original latest shipping date, so Mr. Fanatic need to get moving on this and wrap it up. I think that all of us have been more than patient enough.

[SVOFANATIC]

PM sent your way Seafire and SSTHIS

[Seafire XV]

Received my LSD yesterday. Thanks for sticking with this.