can you swap the 3.0L vr4 motor in a csvt

[striker2]

yea i heard about the same. a friend of mine had one when i owned my first svt. he had nothing but trouble with it. so sad because they are nice.:nonono: and i bet parts for those are getting harder to find.

the early trans' (91 to 92) were prone to having the output shaft that goes into the transfer case break, these had 18 splines. the later ones had 24 or 25 (cant remember the exact number right now) and are virtually bullet proof. the only other issue was the transfer case in the early cars would sometimes start to leak. there was a recall for that in which the seals/gaskets would be replaced and in most cases the problem never came back.

parts are still relatively easy to find. there is 3sx as well as a couple dealers that give 3si members deals (like Bill Jenkins and Steve do for us).

 

[SICILIANSVT82]

the early trans' (91 to 92) were prone to having the output shaft that goes into the transfer case break, these had 18 splines. the later ones had 24 or 25 (cant remember the exact number right now) and are virtually bullet proof. the only other issue was the transfer case in the early cars would sometimes start to leak. there was a recall for that in which the seals/gaskets would be replaced and in most cases the problem never came back.

parts are still relatively easy to find. there is 3sx as well as a couple dealers that give 3si members deals (like Bill Jenkins and Steve do for us).

wow sounds crazy to me man..i know theres probably 3x more 3000gts than svt contours but they are older. and i can't even friggin find trans parts for my car. but again i still do see 3000 gts here and there.

 

[toddw814]

ok back on this vr4 question i was told buy someone that works at a garage that the mounts for the vr4 motor are exacly the same except the top mount on the vr4 only has 3 stud instead of four but there pretty much the same motor minus a few changes and if it where done i would need to switch the whole ecu and wireing and everything the only problem i would run into which is a pretty decent prob is monting up the contour tranny b/c they are tottally different mounts .so sence that pretty much shot that down b/c i dont know anyone who has the skills to build a custom mount to mount it on to the motorim screwed but i am very curiouse if the manifolds and the twin turbos will mount on the the contour if i get the ecu remaped and get it tuned to handle the twin turbo and what parts are compatable like the intercooler .can any one answer this lol
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...its=I%2BC&itu=UCI&otn=10&ps=63#ht_2565wt_1167
here a link to see what you think
i know the motor is reverse in the 3000gt so if the headers and turbos worked i might need to get custom exhaust but thats easy
but im also curiouse on if any inturnals might fit
again maybe its wishful thinking but thats why im here to find out
so pls help lol :shrug::laugh:

 

[striker2]

Forget the VR4, nothing from it will bolt onto the Contour without serious modifications. If you want the twin turbo 3l just buy a VR4, I know where there is a nice one for sale.

 

[2000ZxT]

there pretty much the same motor minus a few changes ..... i am very curiouse if the manifolds and the twin turbos will mount on the the contour .... im also curiouse on if any inturnals might fit

Not to be a dbag butttt....

 

[FIND]

ok back on this vr4 question i was told buy someone that works at a garage that the mounts for the vr4 motor are exacly the same except the top mount on the vr4 only has 3 stud instead of four but there pretty much the same motor minus a few changes and if it where done i would need to switch the whole ecu and wireing and everything the only problem i would run into which is a pretty decent prob is monting up the contour tranny b/c they are tottally different mounts .so sence that pretty much shot that down b/c i dont know anyone who has the skills to build a custom mount to mount it on to the motorim screwed but i am very curiouse if the manifolds and the twin turbos will mount on the the contour if i get the ecu remaped and get it tuned to handle the twin turbo and what parts are compatable like the intercooler .can any one answer this lol
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380166833829&category=33615&_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D10%26ps%3D63#ht_2565wt_1167
here a link to see what you think
i know the motor is reverse in the 3000gt so if the headers and turbos worked i might need to get custom exhaust but thats easy
but im also curiouse on if any inturnals might fit
again maybe its wishful thinking but thats why im here to find out
so pls help lol :shrug::laugh:

Whomever told you that is an idiot who has obviously never done any major mechanical work. You are probably speaking to the guy who does the oil changes, either that or they are messing with you.

IIRC, that motor wont even fit the engine bay of a contour, (dimensionally it is much larger). The mounting is definately entirely different.

The headers are not interchangeable, and you wont be able to find a place to mount both of those turbos. None of the internals from that motor are interchangeable either. You can piece together a turbo kit for that price if you are on a budget that limits you from spending the 2k on an NPG kit. If you are on that kinda budget though, you cannot afford to put that motor in your contour.

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think of it this way. If we cant fit twin turbos on our motors, and our engine bays were designed to fit our motors, then how do you think you are going to fit a motor that is dimensionally larger and a twin turbo configuration that comes from an entirely different manufacturer.

Do not ask any more questions like this. No other 3 liter is anything like a duratec 3 liter or 2.5 liter. No other 2.5 liter is anything like a duratec 3 liter or 2.5 liter.

The only similarity between these engines is that they function similarly, they have a crankshaft, 6 pistons, and 4 cams. All of those things are completely different in each motor.

They are in no way compatible. If you have the money to put a 3000GT motor in your contour, then buy a 3000GT instead, use the money you saved to buy an NPG turbo kit, and put the rest of the money you saved in the bank.

:Edit: BTW go download firefox, it has a built in spell checker

 

[toddw814]

Whomever told you that is an idiot who has obviously never done any major mechanical work. You are probably speaking to the guy who does the oil changes, either that or they are messing with you.

IIRC, that motor wont even fit the engine bay of a contour, (dimensionally it is much larger). The mounting is definately entirely different.

The headers are not interchangeable, and you wont be able to find a place to mount both of those turbos. None of the internals from that motor are interchangeable either. You can piece together a turbo kit for that price if you are on a budget that limits you from spending the 2k on an NPG kit. If you are on that kinda budget though, you cannot afford to put that motor in your contour.

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think of it this way. If we cant fit twin turbos on our motors, and our engine bays were designed to fit our motors, then how do you think you are going to fit a motor that is dimensionally larger and a twin turbo configuration that comes from an entirely different manufacturer.

Do not ask any more questions like this. No other 3 liter is anything like a duratec 3 liter or 2.5 liter. No other 2.5 liter is anything like a duratec 3 liter or 2.5 liter.

The only similarity between these engines is that they function similarly, they have a crankshaft, 6 pistons, and 4 cams. All of those things are completely different in each motor.

They are in no way compatible. If you have the money to put a 3000GT motor in your contour, then buy a 3000GT instead, use the money you saved to buy an NPG turbo kit, and put the rest of the money you saved in the bank.

:Edit: BTW go download firefox, it has a built in spell checker

you know what dude i didnt come on here to get ridiculed by you or any other douch bag that feels like it
i cam on here to find answers from knowledgeable people so that way i can learn what to do and what not to do
not to get answers from a prick
thank you very much for informing me that the motor wont fit and nothing is compatable .that is exacly what i was looking for but i would appreciate an answer that doesnt require all the smart ars remarks
you dont like my question or my spelling then dont read it dude
leave it to someone that i can respect and will show me respect for wanting to learn my car
thank you and have a great day

 

[cobrawannabe]

Dude, he gave you answers. He's just trying to keep you from beating a horse which was never alive in the first place. Sure, he was rough about it, but you clearly have almost no understanding what-so-ever of the automobile. These cars are completely different in things as basic as general structure and drivetrain. We're all just wondering what in the name of Hell you have been smoking for the last week and a half. We're all a bit stressed out lately and could use some fun!

 

[2000ZxT]

I'm going to measure the length of the gts engine bay in comparison with the contours tomorrow morning. I estimate it's a hair shy of twice as long.

 

[Beans]

I'm going to measure the length of the gts engine bay in comparison with the contours tomorrow morning. I estimate it's a hair shy of twice as long.

 

[hetfield]

you know what dude i didnt come on here to get ridiculed by you or any other douch bag that feels like it
i cam on here to find answers from knowledgeable people so that way i can learn what to do and what not to do
not to get answers from a prick
thank you very much for informing me that the motor wont fit and nothing is compatable .that is exacly what i was looking for but i would appreciate an answer that doesnt require all the smart ars remarks
you dont like my question or my spelling then dont read it dude
leave it to someone that i can respect and will show me respect for wanting to learn my car
thank you and have a great day

You were told its not even close, seemed to accept the answer, then came back a second time to basically insist it would work. Since you seem to either have a hard head or an inability to listen to advice someone decided to pound it into you. I don't see the problem here?

 

[FIND]

you know what dude i didnt come on here to get ridiculed by you or any other douch bag that feels like it
i cam on here to find answers from knowledgeable people so that way i can learn what to do and what not to do
not to get answers from a prick
thank you very much for informing me that the motor wont fit and nothing is compatable .that is exacly what i was looking for but i would appreciate an answer that doesnt require all the smart ars remarks
you dont like my question or my spelling then dont read it dude
leave it to someone that i can respect and will show me respect for wanting to learn my car
thank you and have a great day

you were told several times it wouldnt work, and that they were very different motors. You came back after that and asked the same question you had asked in the first place. Congratulations, now you know, and you wont make the mistake of ignoring people when they answer your questions the first time you ask them.

Besides, it makes no sense to start asking questions about motor swaps and changing out internals when you lack even basic mechanical knowledge. Even if it could be done, you wouldnt be able to do it. The fact that you dont know the difference between a mitsubishi and a ford motor is pretty good proof of that. The fact that you compare motors by just looking at a picture on e-bay and comparing it to what you have seen in your engine bay proves that point even further. The fact that you decided that your question was so important after the first time it was answered, that you still felt that you shouldnt follow the advice everyone gave of reading other threads and searching for more information, is just insulting to everyone on here.

 

[SICILIANSVT82]

geez guys relax...it doesn't have to go this far, come on. i hope we all know you guys made it clear...its ok now. man you guys get real mad. lol, i can understand too, but its ok. these motors are in NO WAY compatible! no way.

 

[toddw814]

you were told several times it wouldnt work, and that they were very different motors. You came back after that and asked the same question you had asked in the first place. Congratulations, now you know, and you wont make the mistake of ignoring people when they answer your questions the first time you ask them.

Besides, it makes no sense to start asking questions about motor swaps and changing out internals when you lack even basic mechanical knowledge. Even if it could be done, you wouldnt be able to do it. The fact that you dont know the difference between a mitsubishi and a ford motor is pretty good proof of that. The fact that you compare motors by just looking at a picture on e-bay and comparing it to what you have seen in your engine bay proves that point even further. The fact that you decided that your question was so important after the first time it was answered, that you still felt that you shouldnt follow the advice everyone gave of reading other threads and searching for more information, is just insulting to everyone on here.

ok considering that some ford parts are but together over seas its just like the dodge neons SOHC and DOHC are the same motors that are run in the mitsubishi eclipse
that are also compatable with the pt cruiser and the stratus
and i just swapped out and srt-4 motor into my 2000 neon
so i figured i would see if its possible to do it with the vr4 and sence i was told somthing different i was makeing sure it really wasnt possible so i thought well maybe they turbos might work
obviously they wont i get it
now i know thank you
and to be honest if it was possible now i wouldnt do it b/c i found out that vr4s are a waist of time and pretty much are junk
so now i know can we move on with this
sence you seem very knowledgeable on the csvts
on the NPG stage 2 kit for the 3L how hard is it to install
i know i need to relocate the battery but i want to install the turbo kit and then just get it tune at a shop
i would just like to know exacly what im gonna get my self into

 

[FIND]

ok considering that some ford parts are but together over seas its just like the dodge neons SOHC and DOHC are the same motors that are run in the mitsubishi eclipse
that are also compatable with the pt cruiser and the stratus
and i just swapped out and srt-4 motor into my 2000 neon
so i figured i would see if its possible to do it with the vr4 and sence i was told somthing different i was makeing sure it really wasnt possible so i thought well maybe they turbos might work
obviously they wont i get it
now i know thank you
and to be honest if it was possible now i wouldnt do it b/c i found out that vr4s are a waist of time and pretty much are junk
so now i know can we move on with this
sence you seem very knowledgeable on the csvts
on the NPG stage 2 kit for the 3L how hard is it to install
i know i need to relocate the battery but i want to install the turbo kit and then just get it tune at a shop
i would just like to know exacly what im gonna get my self into

Dodge and Mitsubishi have a VERY close relationship and for a time were essentially the same company, much like Ford and Mazda. Many small car dodge motors are built by Mitsubishi. Just like my 91 escort uses a Mazda motor and transmission. Interchangeability like that exists, but only among certain segments of the market. The Ford Contour is basically an american version of the European Ford Mondeo and uses all Ford parts. Luckily, many parts from our cars are interchangeable with some other ford vehicles, namely the taurus and escape.

The turbos would work just fine if you made manifolds and all the accessories, but you would never fit them.

VR4s arent junk. The transmissions are just made of the most brittle glass Mitsubishi could find, and are filled with tons of hammers to break the glass parts incase you arent able to do so yourself.

I am not particularily knowledgable about CSVTs, I just have a lot of general knowledge that is applicable to many of the specifics of this car.

I cant answer your question on the NPG kit, I have never put one in a contour, I dont imagine it is any harder than turbocharging any other motor with a well built kit. Have a look inside the forced induction section for more information. There should be several threads in there detailing turbo builds.

Going to http://www.nautilusperformance.com/ and reading up would help you a lot as well. I will tell you that that type of upgrade would be fairly involved, and you would find quickly that there are a lot of other places on your car that become a weak link once you start putting all that power to the wheels. Differential, Trans, Clutch, yadda yadda...... Plus you would also want to add quite a few things not included in that kit, gauges, wideband, subframe connectors, LSD.....

Honestly, I think most peoples experiences with turbocharging a contour will tell you that whatever they spent on the turbo kit, they spent around the same amount on other upgrades and parts to go along with it. Keep in mind I am by no means saying that NPG is selling an incomplete kit. They are selling a high quality kit that appears to have more included than you would get from nearly any other vendor. Plus their technical support and customer service is second to none.

 

[cobrawannabe]

OP, if I were you, I would avoid such an indepth install for a long time. I mean no harm in saying that your display of prowess in this thread has shown that you may need to start with the basics. The best mechanics on this forum can slap one into a CSVT in no less than 5-8 hours.

 

[toddw814]

Dodge and Mitsubishi have a VERY close relationship and for a time were essentially the same company, much like Ford and Mazda. Many small car dodge motors are built by Mitsubishi. Just like my 91 escort uses a Mazda motor and transmission. Interchangeability like that exists, but only among certain segments of the market. The Ford Contour is basically an american version of the European Ford Mondeo and uses all Ford parts. Luckily, many parts from our cars are interchangeable with some other ford vehicles, namely the taurus and escape.

The turbos would work just fine if you made manifolds and all the accessories, but you would never fit them.

VR4s arent junk. The transmissions are just made of the most brittle glass Mitsubishi could find, and are filled with tons of hammers to break the glass parts incase you arent able to do so yourself.

I am not particularily knowledgable about CSVTs, I just have a lot of general knowledge that is applicable to many of the specifics of this car.

I cant answer your question on the NPG kit, I have never put one in a contour, I dont imagine it is any harder than turbocharging any other motor with a well built kit. Have a look inside the forced induction section for more information. There should be several threads in there detailing turbo builds.

Going to http://www.nautilusperformance.com/ and reading up would help you a lot as well. I will tell you that that type of upgrade would be fairly involved, and you would find quickly that there are a lot of other places on your car that become a weak link once you start putting all that power to the wheels. Differential, Trans, Clutch, yadda yadda...... Plus you would also want to add quite a few things not included in that kit, gauges, wideband, subframe connectors, LSD.....

Honestly, I think most peoples experiences with turbocharging a contour will tell you that whatever they spent on the turbo kit, they spent around the same amount on other upgrades and parts to go along with it. Keep in mind I am by no means saying that NPG is selling an incomplete kit. They are selling a high quality kit that appears to have more included than you would get from nearly any other vendor. Plus their technical support and customer service is second to none.

yeah ive read prolly all i could on th NPG web site and im already setting up the clutch and the lsd and the NPG kit already comes with the injectors and im gonna get the focus fuel pump i just dont know if i need a new ecu or just get the old one remaped i know ive read you can get it remaped and be good but befor i sink 4k in the motor i want to make sure its set up for it
i was gonna do the 2.5 but for 5 to 700 more i can swap a 3L and get more tourque and kill two birds with one stone and get it all remaped
but i know its a batch to change the plugs b/c there no room to work and i found its prolly gonna take 8 to 10 hours just to swap headers
so im just gonna wait untill the 3L is out and bolt it on the and go from there
im hopeing its easyer
i think i might get MSD as well and do some motor work to
if thats all i need great but if you or anyone else can think of something else i will need pls let me know
and i new ford was with someone over seas i just couldnt pin point it
i couldnt think of it
but again i appreciate the help

 

[2000ZxT]

The GT's engine bay is 48" long...the Contours is 27". The reason people are giving you a hard time is A) One glance tells you that engine would never fit B) People told you exactly what to do, 3L swap, and you continued to ask if the internals would swap over and say it's a compatible engine.