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shurik06_83

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after being bored and cruseing the net i found a few 90s gt escorts for cheap i like them fun littel cars i did some meshureing and it looks like the 2.5will fit with very slight moding of the engine bay and i have an extra rod shift mtx that that will work in the gt cause they wer all rod shift so i need a 2.5 with harnes and ecu wich i can get for about 300$ motor harness and mounts most of the mounts will work might have to go with some mazda mounts from a mx6 no biggy big brake convertion to stop all this fun so for about 1500$ -2000$ i can get my self a nice fast littel car what u guys think i think it would be fun to pull up next to a hondush and have him hear that v6 scream as i pull away witout haveing to redline it :crazy:
 
its kinda the same idea as a vr6 golf but for 1/4 of the price anyone els got any thing to add i really wana do it but not shure if its worth the time maybe just buy another se and put some go fast stuff on it but the gt is so light and small and its such a sleeper
 
but another se is heavy and bulky but an escort is light small and just a fun littel hatch the se i have now i love it but its more of a toureing and cruiseing around but an escourt is not supose to be comfy its supose to be harsh loud stiff i guess what i am saying i wana keep my se for normal driveing but i want to swap the escort so its my drive it like a stole it car and alot of the hondushs in my area know the black se and stay away from it i just like the look u get from ppl when u totaly hand them thier ass in a car u built for under 2gees and they spent 5 gees on jdm swap that did nothing and befor i got my se i never really know anything about the 2.5 but i like the low down power it has of the line and it seem like a good motor to drop in a litel hatch and just go fast and have fun
 
sorry about the spelling i type it out as its comeing out but i am thinking of geting another tour as a parts donor cause thier is alot of them online with low ks and killed autos i can get a whole car for under 300$ only problem is the room to keep the other tour and the escort thats why i am thinking of just geting a motor harnes and ecu and something tells me i should stay away from obd 1 i would really wana get an ShO set up from a taurus but the way the intake is the dam thing wont fit i will have to have a huge hump in the hood or go without a hood but the 2.5 will fit the hood will close maybe i will have to trim the inside frame of the hood just a bit only thing is the tour rad wont fit the escort and the escort has a preshurized rad with a non preshure rez where as the tour has a preshurized rez and the escort rad might not have enoghf cooling capasity to cool down the 2.5 but thas something i can work out one big thing is cv joints worst case i might have to get some made up best case something mazda mx6 or ford probe will fit now all i have tpo do is waite for my back to heal up and i can start swaping and makeing my littel monster hatch
 
I have done that swap before. A KL swapped escort is CRAZY. You can find V6 MX3s all over the place. Anyways, good luck with it. Go to feoa.net to learn more about the platform, and learn a bit about the swap.

Good luck with it.


EDIT: BTW, not sure if you know. but the 2.5 that you swap into an escort is NOT the duratec 2.5. You are looking for the 2.5 that came in the probe GT or the MX3.
 
but evry time u put probe and motor or mx6 and motor in the same sentence its becomes very pricy low k probes are far and few and not even talking about cheap ones mx6s are way up thier but i can score a tour for cheap with low ks or get a motor harnes and ecu and i alredy have a rod shift trans kicking around and i just like the way the duratec sounds and pulls been in alot of mx6 and in a few probes nothing special at low revs but the tour motor starts shreding tires and i am not even over 3gees i like the motor the sound the look and the dam thing last a while too i seen a few tours with over 300k on the same motor if taken care of right my goal is small hatch cheap under 600$ with a good body then motor no more then 400$ with evrything ecu harnes alt ps pump mounts evrything with low ks 75k-160k then brakes anothe few 100$$ so i wana build something for under 2 gees that will be fun fast and i wont use it evryday just on the weekends or as a back up car
 
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shurik06_83 said:
but evry time u put probe and motor or mx6 and motor in the same sentence its becomes very pricy low k probes are far and few and not even talking about cheap ones mx6s are way up thier but i can score a tour for cheap with low ks or get a motor harnes and ecu and i alredy have a rod shift trans kicking around and i just like the way the duratec sounds and pulls been in alot of mx6 and in a few probes nothing special at low revs but the tour motor starts shreding tires and i am not even over 3gees i like the motor the sound the look and the dam thing last a while too i seen a few tours with over 300k on the same motor if taken care of right my goal is small hatch cheap under 600$ with a good body then motor no more then 400$ with evrything ecu harnes alt ps pump mounts evrything with low ks 75k-160k then brakes anothe few 100$$ so i wana build something for under 2 gees that will be fun fast and i wont use it evryday just on the weekends or as a back up car
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If you are looking to do a build under 2k, you wont be able to swap any v6 into your escort. The probe/MX3 route is almost a direct swap. Using a duratec and a trans from a contour means welding up motor mounts and a different subframe. You will also need someone to make you drive shafts.

Find a good motor from a probe or mx3. They are your cheapest option. Even if they need a rebuild.

You can also contact some importers and get low milage KLZE motors.

The only other cheap route you can go with those escort GTs would be to find an exhaust manifold from a 323 GTR, bolt a VJ90 to it, get a 323 gtr downpipe, change injectors and fuel pump, pay someone a few hundred bucks to fab up intake pipes, and then tuning is only a few hundred more at a dyno. Then again I use the term cheap speaking relatively, since this option would be cheap compared to paying someone to fab up the stuff to do a duratec swap.

Seriously. Go browse FEOA.NET. You will find more information than you know what to do with about escorts and engine swaps.
 
from meshureing the the escort and contor hubs are the same distence apart the only difrence is the splins that go into the hubs i will mostlikely use contour cv joints with escort outer knukels the mont locations are similer and i can use stock passenger motor mount and drivers side trany mount from the contour the front and rear mounts will be mx6 or probe the trany will sit tight against the drivers side wheel well thats where a littel bending and hammering comes in not much just half an 1/2"

and i know what ur saying mazda mx6 would be a drop in plug and play deal but honestly i never took the easy path i alwayse went by is something is easy its not worth doing and i seen one mx6 escort and it was cool but i havent seen a v6 duratec one yet so hopeing to make it
and its more like i will buy stuff for the escort and when i get something els the tour i have will get what came off the escort and if the tour brakes down i can alwayse borow the part from the scort to get threw the week till i can get the part

the only thing thats stoping me from geting started is i had an acsident at work had a swing stage roll out from under me and i fell a good 12ft on my back so i am berly walking once i get better this project is gona start
 
I'd like to see this project actually start. Most cool projects go by the wayside and are completely forgotten about. I just hope your mechanical ability is far superior to your ability to use the English language.
 
shurik06_83 said:
from meshureing the the escort and contor hubs are the same distence apart the only difrence is the splins that go into the hubs i will mostlikely use contour cv joints with escort outer knukels the mont locations are similer and i can use stock passenger motor mount and drivers side trany mount from the contour the front and rear mounts will be mx6 or probe the trany will sit tight against the drivers side wheel well thats where a littel bending and hammering comes in not much just half an 1/2"

and i know what ur saying mazda mx6 would be a drop in plug and play deal but honestly i never took the easy path i alwayse went by is something is easy its not worth doing and i seen one mx6 escort and it was cool but i havent seen a v6 duratec one yet so hopeing to make it
and its more like i will buy stuff for the escort and when i get something els the tour i have will get what came off the escort and if the tour brakes down i can alwayse borow the part from the scort to get threw the week till i can get the part

the only thing thats stoping me from geting started is i had an acsident at work had a swing stage roll out from under me and i fell a good 12ft on my back so i am berly walking once i get better this project is gona start
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I never said the size of the vehicles would be the problem.

The duratec does not "bolt up" to the transmission from an MX3 or Probe. Therefore you would have to use an MTX75 or similar contour transmission to bolt the engine up. Either that or WASTE a lot of money making a mounting plate.

Now since you are no longer using a probe transmission, you can no longer use a probe subframe in the front. This means you need to make a new subframe, or sufficiently modify the escorts. Trust me, you would be better off fabbing a new one. The mounts are NOT that close because the oil pans and trannies sit in the subframes slightly differently. BTW, I am not sure if you have ever installed a motor crooked, or tried to force it to sit in a motor mount wrong, but you will hate yourself if you try and drive a car with the motor mount fudged to fit. You will have massive vibrations followed by motor mounts breaking followed by very bad expensive damages.

Next. The duratec does not mount in the same places as the KL series. Therefore you would not be able to use the escort positioning for motor mounts. That means you need to put on your own mounts to match the motor mounts for the contour.

The probe ECU would not work either, as a KL is a very different engine. Aside from just the fact a probe, MX3 and EGT use a VAF in place of the MAF, you have several other differences. One could list them, but I cant think of all the differences off hand.

Moving back to transmissions. CV axles. Contour CV axles and probe axles are not spined the same. They are not the same length either due to differences in the transmission. Therefore, you need someone to make one end of a contour CV axle stay a contour axle, while the other end becomes an EGT axle. YAY weak axles in a lighter car that is going to get a lot more wheel hop.

Please, for the last time go to FEOA.NET. You can find guys on there who have attempted to do MANY different kinds of engine swaps. You will find 1.8 V6 swaps, 1.8 BP turbo swaps, 2.5 KLxx swaps, even rotory swaps if you dig deep enough. You will also find failed 3.0 vulcan and 3.0 duratec projects, along with a host of other failures. Though not many 2.5 duratec projects, because anyone who knows anything will tell you, why put a 2.5 in when you can have a 3.0 for the same amount of work and money, plus have a newer lower milage engine.

I hate to break it to you, but you are by no means coming up with anything new. I'd love to say "good luck, go for it man", but I know that platform to well. Besides, you can find probe motors that are in just as good of shape or with as low of miles as most 2.5 duratecs that are worth your while. And, even if you were going to go through the hassle of putting a duratec in, why put in a 2.5? Do a 3 liter.

I admire that you want to try something challenging and different, but take a lesson from KAOS3.0. Dreaming is good, but dont overdo things or you will screw yourself in the end. Dont do things beyond your abilities, and there is a reason that people do things one way and not another. I have been on that escort platform for more than a decade now, and there are plenty of guys into that platform that have more than enough technical expertise and capital to pull off things that would blow your mind.

I dont know many ways to say this that sound nice, but, thinking you are going to pull off something new on a 20 year old platform using stuff that has been around for 15 years is just dumb. Especially if you are on a tight budget with time and space constraints. So far, everything worth doing has been done, and that is what makes it easy for people who are new to the platform to do those worthwhile things. Just like with Contours.

If you want an EGT, go for it, but dont waste your time or money trying to put a contour inside of it.
 
are contour is really a blown up escort or a slightly bigger vertion of the 323 wich is 626 now mazda and ford been shareing the same bed for almost as long as i been alive and i thank mazda for shareing the bed cause without mazda ford would have went under a long time ago but mazda gave them alot of pointers and made a better company now that saide the secort has holes alredy thier to ecsept the duratec motor mount at the pass side near the strut tower now same for the other side holes alredy thier only thing the front and rear mount that keep the motor from rolling the contour mouts will have to be modded or i will look at something mazda that might work no mods i am useing the escort as is not ading any subrame keeping the front and rear bars that are thier ,thier is another bar that gose down the center front to back that bar might be in the way of the oil pan and ypipe but just a bit so i will notch and reweld . the stock escort frame will hold its own easy up to 250hp 2.3tubo swaps have been know to make that and more my idea mostly stock duratec with littel add ons will still be below 200hp but in a light car it should be enoghf for me

now i been at this since i was 16 i converted auto to 5 spd when i made the auto go pop in my first car

i think i was the first ever to put a 1.6na vw dissel in dodge omni

i made my 323 4 dr fwd in to awd

i playde with turbo kist in my honda days i know not proud of it but yea i drove a honda we all make bad choices

i got bt6 cummins motors for under 500$ and broght them back to life to use in off road rigs i put a bt4 cummins in a 4l ranger 4x4 then i did a jump with that was a bit to much broke the frame fabd up drive shafts to any size i needed rebuilt almost evry vw motor under the sun acsept air cooled

and the odd time i run into something that makes no sence to me call up my dad who was a helicopter mechanic in the soviet army

now as in tools only thing i havent got is a cnc machine and a hoist thats in the works lol:laugh:
 
shurik06_83 said:
are contour is really a blown up escort or a slightly bigger vertion of the 323 wich is 626 now mazda and ford been shareing the same bed for almost as long as i been alive and i thank mazda for shareing the bed cause without mazda ford would have went under a long time ago but mazda gave them alot of pointers and made a better company now that saide the secort has holes alredy thier to ecsept the duratec motor mount at the pass side near the strut tower now same for the other side holes alredy thier only thing the front and rear mount that keep the motor from rolling the contour mouts will have to be modded or i will look at something mazda that might work no mods i am useing the escort as is not ading any subrame keeping the front and rear bars that are thier ,thier is another bar that gose down the center front to back that bar might be in the way of the oil pan and ypipe but just a bit so i will notch and reweld . the stock escort frame will hold its own easy up to 250hp 2.3tubo swaps have been know to make that and more my idea mostly stock duratec with littel add ons will still be below 200hp but in a light car it should be enoghf for me
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I have had 300 hp on a BP turbo, so if you think that 250 is the limit, then you obviously dont know anything about the platform. Why dont you check out corksports BP turbo, that thing is a little monster . Noone has ever done a 2.3 turbo swap into those cars. You use a 1.8 liter DOHC turbo aka BP turbo from a 323 GTR or 323 GTX. A vehicle that BTW comes AWD, so an AWD swap with an escort or 323 that is only FWD is as simple as changing fuel tanks, cutting and changing floorpans, and changing the front and rear subframe out for that in an AWD 323. No, this platform is not a slightly bigger version of a 323, it is not the same as a 626. This is a CDW27 platform. An escort and 323 use the Mazda BG platform. An MX3 used the Mazda EC platform, which was based on the Mazda B platform. This is why you need an MX3 subframe and shift linkage to do the 2.5 swap into an escort. A probe and MX6 is built on a Mazda GD platform, which is also VERY similar to the BG platform.

The CDW27 shares no roots with a mazda platform. It was made by ford to be a platform for it's "world car"

Now yes you are correct, years ago, ford and mazda were sharing a ton. Ford even owned a big part of Mazda. However that was YEARS ago.

Also, I could care less about what you claim you have done and who your dad is. I tried to tell you what was necessary to do the swap, you have your own ideas and want to tell me that I am wrong about a car that I have owned half a dozen of, despite the fact that you are still in the wanting to get one stage. I told you that given your limited budget, and space constraints that you would have a very hard time doing that, and you want to ignore that. I dont really care. I have told you what I know, and you want to pass up on some friendly advice that will save you money and get much better results. Why you want a 2.5 duratec in there in the first place is beyond me considering a KLxx makes just as much power as a duratec, and a KLZE which you can still get from importers with low milage makes 200 horse right out of the box.

But seriously, earlier on you said you didnt want to go the MX3 swap route because according to you, the swap was to expensive because you have a hard time finding low milage motors for cheap. You want to do a swap that is going to require an even larger outlay of money and time.

Anyways, I guess I am done trying to help you. I will tell you good luck with it, and I will be the first to congratulate you if you manage to get it to work. But, in the meantime, don't come on here and tell me I am wrong about a platform that I know every inch of after you have just taken a couple quick glances at it and gone after it a couple times with a tape measure.

Just another quick note. Why not message 2000ZxT. He is an escort nut too. He could tell you the same thing that I have been telling you. I am not saying the swap cant be done. I am saying for the time, money, and effort you put into doing it, it isnt worth it, and you probably wont finish it. Especially when you can get the same or better results by doing a BPturbo or KL swap.

Also, go read KAOS3.0's old posts. you might learn something.
 
I owned a car related to the Escort GT before I bought my Contour. It was a stickshift Mercury Tracer LTS. It shared the same platform and powertrain as the Escort GT and the Mazda Protoge DOHC.

It did not lack for power. It also was very responsive to modifications. I'm not sure there is a need to do an engine swap. Spend your efforts on modifying the existing engine, including the possibility of a turbo if you really feel you need it.

At one time there was a company providing hotter cams and ported heads for this engine.

One of the things that made the car so enjoyable was how well it handled. I'm not sure I would want to mess with a heavier engine in the front messing that up.
 
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