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  • Originally posted by Radue22 View Post
    ... Do you think it would be possible to 'first time' this swap in say...a month?
    Most certainly. Confidence is key. If u've got any questions as u go, just ask.
    Julian
    98.5 csvt #6226 of 6535
    Rally Inspired 3L turbo'd monsTOUR
    Modifications??? well...lets just say this ain'tcha grandma's contour :D

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    • Originally posted by BAD SVT View Post
      Most certainly. Confidence is key. If u've got any questions as u go, just ask.
      ^ exactly what he said. A month is a good solid DIY pace if you havn't done this before. There are a couple major things that you have to get right the first time or you will be pulling the motor and trans out again. Pulse wheel, proper clutch and slave cylinder/throw out bearing, differential, etc.... It is very intimidating, but when I started my car was as good as dead. Either I fixed it or it was going to sit because I wasn't going to pay someone to do it.
      *CLICK HERE ---> 1995 SE 3L WITH MATCHING TRAILER <--- CLICK HERE*
      30 Contour / Mystiques and counting......

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      • Originally posted by blu_fuz View Post
        but when I started my car was as good as dead. Either I fixed it or it was going to sit because I wasn't going to pay someone to do it.
        yea it's just that my cougar is running strong and my dad is very adamant against me doing performance upgrades while in school. on the other hand im quite the advocate of speed and this seems like a fairly straightforward and, dare I say "cheap" alternative to more svt equipment. I mentioned an engine in Janesville I could pick up to avoid shipping costs for 200 and he flipped his s---. needless to say I will be hard-pressed to do the swap while at home, haha.

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        • Originally posted by Radue22 View Post
          yea it's just that my cougar is running strong and my dad is very adamant against me doing performance upgrades while in school. on the other hand im quite the advocate of speed and this seems like a fairly straightforward and, dare I say "cheap" alternative to more svt equipment. I mentioned an engine in Janesville I could pick up to avoid shipping costs for 200 and he flipped his s---. needless to say I will be hard-pressed to do the swap while at home, haha.
          Leave the engine alone. Upgrade your suspension. The car's not fast, and it's never going to be as fast as you want it to be. But it already has great grip and balance, and you can easily make it have ASTONISHING grip and balance. I've owned and raced my Cougar for 11 years now, and it's still running on its original 2.5L, which is now at 192,000 miles. No three for me until this thing is DEAD.
          2000 3.0 Roush Cougar
          2013 Focus ST
          2002 MINI Cooper S
          2008 Mustang Bullitt # 5389

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          • I agree, if it isn't dead and your parents have the final say, leave it alone. If your engine takes a crap on you, then worry about upgrading the engine.
            *CLICK HERE ---> 1995 SE 3L WITH MATCHING TRAILER <--- CLICK HERE*
            30 Contour / Mystiques and counting......

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            • Originally posted by Radue22 View Post
              yea it's just that my cougar is running strong and my dad is very adamant against me doing performance upgrades while in school.
              I completely agree as my parents where the same way. And it left me a very reliable DD that i didn't have to worry about. I would not do a 3L swap unless you have an engine problem. Also "cheap" is a relative term. Some have done it cheap, and they have had issues. My 3l engine swap ran ~$1k iirc. All new seals, new oil pan, fluids, plugs, etc.
              - 12 Focus SE
              - 99 Contour SeVT <- 3L/NPG Turbo
              - 2k Contour SVT - #2137

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              • Originally posted by Pole120 View Post
                Then you should have inspected/replced the bearings ;)
                I'm curious are these motors overly susceptible to rod bearing failure?

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                • 3L motor

                  Originally posted by Radue22 View Post
                  I mentioned an engine in Janesville I could pick up to avoid shipping costs for 200 and he flipped his s---. needless to say I will be hard-pressed to do the swap while at home, haha.
                  you could do what I did.....

                  I bought a 3L engine and put it to one side.

                  I am now cleaning and preparing the motor at my leisure and I will have a ready motor the day my 2.5L craps out.

                  Originally posted by DesertDawg View Post
                  I'm curious are these motors overly susceptible to rod bearing failure?
                  The rod bearings do fail ... sometimes it is caused by the con rod big end becoming oval and allowing the bearing to spin. It can also be caused by the bearing having high usage.

                  As Pole120 says, you could check the con rod and if necessary, replace the bearings before installing ...G.
                  ST24. LPG, 2001 ST200 motor, 65mm P&P'd TB, 80mm MAF, headers, lowered, sway bars and strut braces, 300/278mm brakes, 3.51 FD 3.0L tranny, Torsen, Fidanza.... Vortech nearly completed.

                  WANTED; Custom gauge guru for ST200 overlay job... pm me..

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                  • that is why I'm reading every last page in the 3L Swap forum I'm gonna have to pull the 2.5 out with the spun rod bearing
                    and do SOMETHING
                    but I'd much rather replace the rod, crank & bearing set but folks tell me that's a fools errand?
                    That is why Pole's insinuation that before you slapped a 3L in you'd be best advised to throw some properly sized Clevites at the bottom end halp

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                    • Originally posted by gorman View Post
                      It can also be caused by the bearing having high usage
                      My purchased new 98 SVT only has 107K
                      I was blaming myself to not once firing it up while it sat from 2001 to March of 2012 Wifey drove it up to 107 from 88K lemme rephrase this:
                      the 2.5 spins them things far more than it should, is the 3L less susceptible or should we all keep a spare engine in the trunk?

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                      • Originally posted by DesertDawg View Post
                        the 2.5 spins them things far more than it should, is the 3L less susceptible or should we all keep a spare engine in the trunk?
                        3L's use the same con rods as 2.5's. Cold starts, short runs, irregular oil changes etc all shorten the bearing life. I'm guessing 3.0L engines have fewer bottom end failures because you don't have to rev them so high to get your desired speed out of them.

                        i'm just saying that at 100k miles you could change the bearings and bolts and avoid a bottom end failure for a lot less than a rebuild.

                        Originally posted by DesertDawg View Post
                        but I'd much rather replace the rod, crank & bearing set but folks tell me that's a fools errand?
                        If the con rod big end is still perfectly round, the crankshaft undamaged and metal didn't find its way all around the motor you may have a reason for trying.
                        On the other hand, if you kept driving until it beat itself into submission, then they may have a point since those with the ability can install a 3L for the same cost as a 2.5L....G.
                        ST24. LPG, 2001 ST200 motor, 65mm P&P'd TB, 80mm MAF, headers, lowered, sway bars and strut braces, 300/278mm brakes, 3.51 FD 3.0L tranny, Torsen, Fidanza.... Vortech nearly completed.

                        WANTED; Custom gauge guru for ST200 overlay job... pm me..

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                        • I found out why 2.5's spin the rod bearings from Terry's article
                          now why does it seem that everyone swaps to a 3L Taurus
                          instead of repairing their 2.5's or do they never mention it?

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                          • More power more torque, newer, lower miles. Cheaper in most cases....
                            '98 SVT E0 BLK/MNB#1663 Forged Ovalport 3L Supercharged

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                            • Originally posted by Beans View Post
                              More power more torque, newer, lower miles. Cheaper in most cases....
                              That and availability, 3.0 engines are everywhere.
                              6450 of 6535
                              6-16-98

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                              • After a hard day at VIR track day during spring zing I lost 5th and reverse in the transmission. Not only that but the rubber u-joint bushings of the shifter assembly failed at the same time so I had no 1st and 2nd gear too. Only 3rd and 4th would work.




                                Managed to find a 50k mile trans for only $200 that had been sitting in a warehouse pulled from a 1997 V6 MTX back in 1998! They had it for 16 years on the shelf!

                                Also found a southern 1995 MTX shifter assembly for $40 with a lot of miles on it but in much better working/physical condition as mine.




                                Trans had this tag on it from the factory:







                                The trans shifts buttery smooth, it's amazing. Feels like a brand new car. The shifter assembly actually has a nice notched feel when it is slid into the different gears. My original shifter never felt this good.


                                Also put a NOS SVT Ford OEM clutch kit in the car and resurfaced the SVT flywheel. The pedal feel of an oem clutch is hard to beat, that's why I didn't re-use the clutchnet setup.


                                Here are the newest numbers:

                                *8-29-14
                                Car = 244,295 Miles
                                Motor = 51,215 Miles
                                Stock Trans = 51,138Miles
                                FORD SVT OEM clutch kit = 1,382 Miles*



                                ^ I just realized that the 3L motor and '97 trans have almost the exact same miles .


                                Pic from on my drive home:

                                *CLICK HERE ---> 1995 SE 3L WITH MATCHING TRAILER <--- CLICK HERE*
                                30 Contour / Mystiques and counting......

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