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    I been installing the 3.0 into my cougar and now I'm to the point where I need to install the throttle body linkage. I currently have a engine from a 2004 Taurus 3.0, and I have the throttle body that came up. Anyway, I am trying to figure out if my linkage can even wok with this because mine looks different. Now I read something about the 2.5's where atx and mtx throttle bodies aren't Interchangeable which begs the question..if all Taurus are automatics, then van a mtx linkage be retrofitted?

  • #2
    There's some write-ups in the archives on just how to do what you want. As I recall it centers around making a hybrid linkage with the SVT and 3L linkage and shaft. Look in the 3L section in the 02+ archives.

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    • #3
      Okay, I will take a look. I never know where to find stuff in there lol

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      • #4
        Originally posted by captastic View Post
        There's some write-ups in the archives on just how to do what you want. As I recall it centers around making a hybrid linkage with the SVT and 3L linkage and shaft. Look in the 3L section in the 02+ archives.
        Okay, so I looked through about 50 pages on the archives, in duratec performance. I looked at every post that had throttle body or TB in the title, and most of what I am seeing doesn't seem to relate because the svt linkage is different than the mtx cougar linkage. With that being said, I know the svt linkage is the same as the atx cougar. Now, does this mean I can get an svt or atx cougar, or even a Taurus's linkage and swap it in? I'm confused as to what to do. I'd like to keep the Taurus's throttle body so that i can use the 3l pcv system and not have to swap out valve covers

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        • #5
          I did some more research today on the archives, and I'm still kind of mixed up about this issue. I;ve never optimized a throttlebody (which im assuming optimized is the term people use when they are transferring linkage and stuff over to a different throttle body) but is it possible to transfer the two springs from the cougar mtx style TB to the 3.0? Also, are the two ports on the 3.0 TB for PCV/oil seperator or are they for coolant? I feel like people are saying for coolant, but my research seems to lead me to think differently. anyways, if it is for coolant, then hypothetically I could just put my cougar throttle body on the 3L?

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          • #6
            Ray; there is another option.... you can use the 65mm TB from a 4.6L Mustang (95-99 I think) or from a Crown Vic. Not sure what the vacuum pipework is like but it does pep up your acceleration .... so could be worth the 'candlestick'.Even if you decide to keep SVT, the threads below should help.

            Optimizing means doing anything to increase airflow ....from cutting screws flush,to reprofililing the internal bore to enlarge and smooth out steps etc.

            I've never swapped the butterfly shaft over but you need to be careful of the Throttle Position Sensor ... it is fragile and can be easily broken .... something to look out for when gathering tips and hints.....G.

            Try this main thread http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/engi...63-optimize-tb

            this sub thread has the pictures http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/engi...how-to?t=50471

            don't mind the *****in' .... it's what passed as excitement back then lol

            TPS instal. http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/how-...n-part-numbers
            ST24. LPG, 2001 ST200 motor, 65mm P&P'd TB, 80mm MAF, headers, lowered, sway bars and strut braces, 300/278mm brakes, 3.51 FD 3.0L tranny, Torsen, Fidanza.... Vortech nearly completed.

            WANTED; Custom gauge guru for ST200 overlay job... pm me..

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            • #7
              Those are coolant lines. You are better off using the 3l tb due to the iac running through a seperate port. Use your tb bracket.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by squeek View Post
                Those are coolant lines. You are better off using the 3l tb due to the iac running through a seperate port. Use your tb bracket.
                So I can use the 3l throttle body bracket, but with the cougar bracket? I never really looked but does the bracket solve the cable issue - where it didn't connect before, or do I have to change something with the linkage? I admit to being a noob with this stuff lol

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gorman View Post
                  Ray; there is another option.... you can use the 65mm TB from a 4.6L Mustang (95-99 I think) or from a Crown Vic. Not sure what the vacuum pipework is like but it does pep up your acceleration .... so could be worth the 'candlestick'.Even if you decide to keep SVT, the threads below should help.

                  Optimizing means doing anything to increase airflow ....from cutting screws flush,to reprofililing the internal bore to enlarge and smooth out steps etc.

                  I've never swapped the butterfly shaft over but you need to be careful of the Throttle Position Sensor ... it is fragile and can be easily broken .... something to look out for when gathering tips and hints.....G.

                  Try this main thread http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/engi...63-optimize-tb

                  this sub thread has the pictures http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/engi...how-to?t=50471

                  don't mind the *****in' .... it's what passed as excitement back then lol

                  TPS instal. http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/how-...n-part-numbers
                  That's an interesting write up for the 65mm throttle body, but they keep mentioning that it's for an svt. I may be mistaken, but I heard someone mention on that a non-svt contour would not work with the 65mm because of the linkage differences. So, I'm reading in-between the lines here, but I believe the mtx cougar has the same linkage as the non-svt contour. Hopefully, I'm not frustrating anyone here but I feel like I'm missing something that is going unsaid. Thanks for your reply btw:)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gorman View Post
                    Ray; there is another option.... you can use the 65mm TB from a 4.6L Mustang (95-99 I think) or from a Crown Vic. Not sure what the vacuum pipework is like but it does pep up your acceleration .... so could be worth the 'candlestick'.Even if you decide to keep SVT, the threads below should help.

                    Optimizing means doing anything to increase airflow ....from cutting screws flush,to reprofililing the internal bore to enlarge and smooth out steps etc.

                    I've never swapped the butterfly shaft over but you need to be careful of the Throttle Position Sensor ... it is fragile and can be easily broken .... something to look out for when gathering tips and hints.....G.

                    Try this main thread http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/engi...63-optimize-tb

                    this sub thread has the pictures http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/engi...how-to?t=50471

                    don't mind the *****in' .... it's what passed as excitement back then lol

                    TPS instal. http://contour.org/ceg-vb/forum/how-...n-part-numbers
                    Thanks for the post. The 65mm mustang TB seems intriguing but I don't think I can use it with the cougars mtx linkage

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                    • #11
                      How about this for a solution.  I have an svt throttle cable and bracket which is trimmed for that exact setup. Hell I can throw in my 04 3l tb which is pinned to work with the svt throttle cable. 
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                      Full 3.0L
                      ST220 intake w/ f150 tb

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                      • #12
                        How about this for a solution.  I have an svt throttle cable and bracket which is trimmed for that exact setup. Hell I can throw in my 04 3l tb which is pinned to work with the svt throttle cable. 
                        98 Silver Frost
                        Full 3.0L
                        ST220 intake w/ f150 tb

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by squeek View Post
                          How about this for a solution.  I have an svt throttle cable and bracket which is trimmed for that exact setup. Hell I can throw in my 04 3l tb which is pinned to work with the svt throttle cable. 
                          What is the number and hashtag deal you said after the first sentence?
                          Do I have to have the svt throttle cable? If so, I already have an 04 Taurus throttle body. So I'm guessing all I need is the cable and trimmed svt bracket? Or is the pinning that you were referring to in regards to the 04 3l bracket something that you modified?

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                          • #14
                            Not sure why the hashtags popped in there. You can insert pins into tb lever to take up the cable slack. Got a pic of your cable end? I've got a picture somewhere with the location on the pins.
                            98 Silver Frost
                            Full 3.0L
                            ST220 intake w/ f150 tb

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Raywagner132 View Post
                              Thanks for the post. The 65mm mustang TB seems intriguing but I don't think I can use it with the cougars mtx linkage

                              I realize you are looking for the easiest solution... maybe you can change to the Mustang TB at a later date when the car is running.. You can make anything work ...but normally requires a bracket to be made up to suit. Changing cable ends is easy ... they solder on and off.

                              I've just fitted an ST220 TB to a car and had to make up a bracket from two stock items because the cruise and throttle were the opposite sides to the bracket.on the car..

                              It has two springs like your one and I find it is suited best if you commute in slow traffic because it is easier to moderate your low speed. The single spring type TB's are best for flat out performance. .. you only have to lean on the pedal and your speed creeps up..

                              I can't say if putting the twin spring mechanism in the single spring TB body is straight forward ... I'd need the items in my hand, stripped down.

                              We all understand what it is like throwing yourself in at the deep end .....ask as many newb questions as necessary... G.




                              ST24. LPG, 2001 ST200 motor, 65mm P&P'd TB, 80mm MAF, headers, lowered, sway bars and strut braces, 300/278mm brakes, 3.51 FD 3.0L tranny, Torsen, Fidanza.... Vortech nearly completed.

                              WANTED; Custom gauge guru for ST200 overlay job... pm me..

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