Pre98 to SVT Cluster Swap

[KennyT772]

Is it possible? I have always been fond of white gauges and seeing some clusters for sale have prompted my thoughts.

[zorrex]

It's tricky with a Zetec. You need to swap the Zetec tach into the SVT cluster. Other than that I'm pretty sure everything else works, from what I've read/heard.

[95pgt-t]

you do have to do a simple 15 sec mod to the wiring on the back of the cluster.

[BrApple]

It's tricky with a Zetec. You need to swap the Zetec tach into the SVT cluster. Other than that I'm pretty sure everything else works, from what I've read/heard.

why? the only difference in the tach is that the red line is different ...

[KennyT772]

you do have to do a simple 15 sec mod to the wiring on the back of the cluster.
What is intailed in this mod? I would really like to get the gauge cluster but only if I know it will work...

[zorrex]

why? the only difference in the tach is that the red line is different ...

No I'm pretty sure it reads incorrectly...I've been doing research on it because I was thinking about putting a tach in my car.

[BrApple]

No I'm pretty sure it reads incorrectly...I've been doing research on it because I was thinking about putting a tach in my car.


maybe for a pre98 but that I am not sure of. Hector put a SVT cluster in his 2k zetec a long time ago and I never remember hearing about the tach not working correctly ... other then on the zetec you might need to run the tach wire if it isn't already there.

[zorrex]

maybe for a pre98 but that I am not sure of. Hector put a SVT cluster in his 2k zetec a long time ago and I never remember hearing about the tach not working correctly ... other then on the zetec you might need to run the tach wire if it isn't already there.

According to devanmc it doesn't read properly. He put a Zetec tach in his SVT cluster for his 98.5+ Zetec.

[striker2]

According to devanmc it doesn't read properly. He put a Zetec tach in his SVT cluster for his 98.5+ Zetec.
i put a v6 (non-SVT) tach in my 97 a long time ago. it worked, but it wasnt accurate. IIRC it said i was idleing at around 1500RPMs :blackeye: my dad then took the tach and figured out what resistor needed to be added and where to make it read properly.

EE's are awsome :D

[zorrex]

i put a v6 (non-SVT) tach in my 97 a long time ago. it worked, but it wasnt accurate. IIRC it said i was idleing at around 1500RPMs :blackeye: my dad then took the tach and figured out what resistor needed to be added and where to make it read properly.

EE's are awsome :D

Oooo really? I wish I knew of this earlier. I can get my hands on a V6 cluster in a matter of minutes, so this would be a good option. Any idea where that resistor went? I figure doing this is MUCH easier than trying to find/pay for a Zetec tach :p

[striker2]

Oooo really? I wish I knew of this earlier. I can get my hands on a V6 cluster in a matter of minutes, so this would be a good option. Any idea where that resistor went? I figure doing this is MUCH easier than trying to find/pay for a Zetec tach :p
ill check to see if i still have that cluster tonight. i eventually swapped out to a zetec tach so it didnt say v6 on the tach. IIRC all mystiques came with tachs so just find one with a zetec.

[CSVT1214]

Ian, there is almost always a Pre-98 Mystique in the junkyard near my house. If you ever want to take a drive down, we can check it out.

[BrApple]

Ian, there is almost always a Pre-98 Mystique in the junkyard near my house. If you ever want to take a drive down, we can check it out.


I'll be going sometime soon, I want to get seom rear reflectors to paint for my cars.

[zorrex]

Bob already has a V6 cluster. Besides, I'm not doing it in the very near future anyways. I'll probably do it around spring break. Plus I'm doing a full LED conversion for the car and I figure I'd fiddle with the cluster. I was going to see if I could fiddle with the V6 thing on the cluster and maybe put something cooler there :cool:

I'll let you know if I would want you guys to pick something up, though.

[BrApple]

I was going to see if I could fiddle with the V6 thing on the cluster and maybe put something cooler there :cool:




yeah its a SVT symbol that goes along with a SVT Contour :laugh:

[zorrex]

yeah its a SVT symbol that goes along with a SVT Contour :laugh:

Way to be a jerk :laugh:. I was going to see if I could somehow stencil in "Zetec" on it or something :p. I need to take it apart first, though!

[BrApple]

Way to be a jerk :laugh:. I was going to see if I could somehow stencil in "Zetec" on it or something :p. I need to take it apart first, though!


well I know people have made the SVT of maybe even the V6 light up by scrapping the backing off the guage face. if you do that with one from a zetec you would have all the space that you need ...

[Aussie Ford]

Perhaps one could just look at the back of the two tachs amd see what the different resisters are... could it be that simple?

[striker2]

if only it were. my dad had to actually "cut" one of the lines on the PCB and then solder in a resistor. i should be able to get a picture up tomorrow.

[Aussie Ford]

With the resistor info too? but then that is fairly simple after the hard part of figuring out which one needs to be there.

[striker2]

With the resistor info too? but then that is fairly simple after the hard part of figuring out which one needs to be there.
ok the resistor that was used seems to ohm out at 105K ohms. heres the best pics i could get.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/002.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/003.jpg

[BoSoxBruin]

ok the resistor that was used seems to ohm out at 105K ohms. heres the best pics i could get.

You seem to be close... I can not tell exactly what colors they are, but from what I got this website says 100K ohms with +/- 20% tolerance... The colors I used were brown, black, yellow, none...

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/resistor.htm

[striker2]

You seem to be close... I can not tell exactly what colors they are, but from what I got this website says 100K ohms with +/- 20% tolerance... The colors I used were brown, black, yellow, none...

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/resistor.htm
considering i measured it with my DVOM, 3 times. i would say thats right. there is a little blue adjustment screw on the side for fine tuning it if need be.

[Aussie Ford]

Thats really neat, and good pics too. So that made it read correctly for the ztech huh?

[zorrex]

Wow thanks striker! I might just end up doing this now. Seems to be a REALLY easy mod. Before it used to be so difficult. Stupid Zetec :laugh:. That post needs to be stickied/added to Zetec Performance page IMO...

[Aussie Ford]

x2.....:laugh:

but darn I've got a 95 mechanical speedo and can't use it :(

[95pgt-t]

my question is,did you still need to snip one of the circuits on the speedo side like you do on the pre98 v6's?

[Aussie Ford]

I've heard, all of the electric speedos are interchangeable 96-00 except for the early 98's. Should be P-N-P.

PS: not all mystiques had tachs either.

[striker2]

my question is,did you still need to snip one of the circuits on the speedo side like you do on the pre98 v6's?

For the speedometer i actually just moved the face from the one with a tach to my old one so that i could keep the original odometer. to do that you pop off the needle, unscrew the face plate, screw the new face plate onto your old speedo/odometer cluster, plug everything in and go for a drive with either a GPS or stopwatch, pen, paper, and calculator. set the cruise and then either look at the GPS and stick the needle on or time a couple miles and then calculate your speed and stick the needle on. i got mine within about 2MPH.

[zorrex]

OK, slight problem.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b121/zorrex/0220081308.jpg

This circuit board isn't the same. The connection on the upper right looks the same. Should I just follow that line down and solder onto the next node as you did on the SVT? That's what I'm thinking I should do but I'm not sure....

[Aussie Ford]

What's that from?

[zorrex]

It is off a 97 Duratec. I guess they changed after 98....

[striker2]

It is off a 97 Duratec. I guess they changed after 98....
the one i did was not from an SVT but a regular V6, and i think it was even from a pre98 since my dad got it from a JY.

[zorrex]

the one i did was not from an SVT but a regular V6, and i think it was even from a pre98 since my dad got it from a JY.

Dang, so should I follow that line down and solder at the next big node? The next big node is the back of w/e the heck that blue circular thing is haha. I suck at circuit boards :D

[striker2]

Dang, so should I follow that line down and solder at the next big node? The next big node is the back of w/e the heck that blue circular thing is haha. I suck at circuit boards :D
it looks like mine went to one side of the little blue dial. so thats what i would do.

edit: dont forget to cut that line so power must flow through the resistor.

[zorrex]

it looks like mine went to one side of the little blue dial. so thats what i would do.

edit: dont forget to cut that line so power must flow through the resistor.

Yes I know to cut it. I'm kinda smart sometimes :laugh:. I'll let you know of my results. I picked up resistors today and will solder when I get bored. I have lots of HW to do in the meantime!

[zorrex]

All right here's an update:

Soldered in the resistor (I forgot to take a pic because I'm stupid), which was a 100k ohm w/ 10% tolerance. Idled the car and placed the needle on 750 rpms. I revved the car while in park, fuel cut off at about 3250. Drove the car and put the pedal to the floor until the ATX forced a shift from first to second at 6250 rpms. According to Hector, his ATX shifted on its own at 6200 rpms so I think that resistor works pretty darn well :cool:.

Thanks striker!

BTW I think that should be placed under Zetec Performance sticky...Zetec tachometers aren't that common so we can use Duratec ones instead :laugh:

[BrApple]

BTW I think that should be placed under Zetec Performance sticky...Zetec tachometers aren't that common so we can use Duratec ones instead :laugh:


how about writing up a how-to and put it in the zetec how to forum

[cannondalemtb]

How about some credit to me for being the man

[zorrex]

Props to Bob cuz he's annoying. Oh, and he got the cluster for me :laugh:

[cannondalemtb]

Props to Bob cuz he's annoying. Oh, and he got the cluster for me :laugh:

AND I went along to show you what to buy... and listened to you cry when you didnt know what to do :laugh: