View Full Version : a very general turbo question.....
TRicker
10-16-2006, 09:27 PM
why hasnt anybody (that i know of) tried putting a turbo "remote" mounted where the y pipe meets together? it'd be just above the oil pan so it would drain back, and you could clock the turbo and face the compressor outlet toward the front of the car for a FMIC. i just drew it up in the bathroom (lol) and it would be easy! yes of course there would be more piping on the intake side, but less on teh exhaust side. it would also make less tight bends. so why not? yes, spool times are slower. any other reasons?
TRicker
10-16-2006, 09:59 PM
and if i were to say....do this....... what turbo would i want to buy? i'm assuming a T3/T4 of some sort. it'd be going on a 2.5L
fastcougar
10-17-2006, 02:03 AM
why hasnt anybody (that i know of) tried putting a turbo "remote" mounted where the y pipe meets together? it'd be just above the oil pan so it would drain back, and you could clock the turbo and face the compressor outlet toward the front of the car for a FMIC. i just drew it up in the bathroom (lol) and it would be easy! yes of course there would be more piping on the intake side, but less on teh exhaust side. it would also make less tight bends. so why not? yes, spool times are slower. any other reasons?Do it, document it, then come back and reassess just how "easy" it is :nonono:
TRicker
10-17-2006, 05:22 PM
it would be easy. and i am going to do it. and i might document it, but probably just send you a picture and tell you to figure it out for yourself, lol.
Tourige
10-17-2006, 06:48 PM
it would be easy. and i am going to do it. and i might document it, but probably just send you a picture and tell you to figure it out for yourself, lol.
can you run a 10000 shot after? :crazy:
JEDsContour
10-17-2006, 07:13 PM
it would be easy. and i am going to do it. and i might document it, but probably just send you a picture and tell you to figure it out for yourself, lol.
I was going to say something about the "ease" of doing this.... but I just don't have the energy.
TRicker
10-17-2006, 08:49 PM
oh wow tourige lets pull out these cards again..... i already make more power than you with a 100 shot, and honestly, 10lbs of boost and a 50 shot is MILD. keep playin that hand buddy, but you better come up with a better dyno sheet or somethin......
I keep hearing you brag and gloat about your power.. There are plenty of people on here that make as much, more, or WAY more than you.
The difference is that I haven't seen them repeatedly make SURE that EVERYONE knows it. Be happy with what YOU have, and if you have a love for the PLATFORM and not YOUR CAR, help others acheive it, too.
TRicker
10-17-2006, 09:10 PM
no im really not trying to gloat about my "power" i'm just pointing out that the guy that is making fun of me would get beat. sorry, but i am into cars because i am competitive. if you want to tell me waht to do, you'd better be faster.
Cool... If you're not trying to gloat, then that's great! It just, sometimes, seems like you were. Misinterpretation or something, I am sure. Keep up the care for your car.
muntus
10-17-2006, 09:21 PM
That was very diplomatic, Ray.
Its my job. Both on here, and in life. Nothing less should be expected of anyone, really, but thank you.
DemonSVT
10-17-2006, 10:21 PM
Ground clearance would SUCK.
Turbo size (physical) would be very limited because of ground clearance.
You would basically be driving the turbo with just the rear bank. That would make the cylinders very unbalanced. (i.e. tuning would suck!)
You would have to build a pressurized oil system for the turbo.
Water splashing on the hot turbo is not good for longevity.
Good luck routing an intake pipe from that location!!!
You would be much better off doing a rear turbo setup. Much more room and you could build a nice splash/heatshield.
TRicker
10-17-2006, 10:30 PM
wish me luck! it's basically planned out. one pipe would be low, from the outlet to the TB. not that bad though. the turbo wouldnt be that bad since it's going up where the cat used to be, essentially. i'll post pics. i'm making the Y pipe and mocking it up on my other engine on the stand this weekend. i'll get pics of that up ASAP.
CSVT#49
10-17-2006, 10:42 PM
So whats this now? Your going to make your own y-pipe? I thought you said you were going to pick one up at the junkyard. Either way let me know when you want to get started and I'll be over to help you.
TRicker
10-17-2006, 10:53 PM
im only gonna use the ball end with the flange off the y pipe. the rest is gonna be custom i believe. i wanna get the piping situated a little bit better. i think i am going to run the turbo toward the drivers side more instead of what we were talking about before, because i want to run the piping straight out, up, and into the intercooler. plus that leaves the exhaust end of the turbo easier to just put one 90 degree bend back to the stock exhaust location. it's a simple setup. the only thing is the outlet piping is going to be sitting a little bit low. it's not lower than the plastic airdam, but it'll be lower than the oil pan. you'll see when you bring me those manifolds :D
posthuman63t
10-17-2006, 11:52 PM
Power doesn't mean knowledge. Thats all I have to say...
TRicker
10-18-2006, 04:23 AM
if i made 10,000 HP with a contour everyone would still call me a tool. you can save it, ive already been told that by everyone. i really dont care about this site anymore, for me it's beginning to be a place to get parts and that's about it. wish me luck on my turbo setup, thanks for any info that you folks could share
Tourige
10-18-2006, 11:46 AM
if i made 10,000 HP with a contour everyone would still call me a tool. you can save it, ive already been told that by everyone. i really dont care about this site anymore, for me it's beginning to be a place to get parts and that's about it. wish me luck on my turbo setup, thanks for any info that you folks could share
Maybe if every post you made wasent a complete joke than people would actually take you seriously.
Just a hint.
posthuman63t
10-18-2006, 03:29 PM
Maybe if every post you made wasent a complete joke than people would actually take you seriously.
Just a hint.
Its not even so much that. Its presenting an idea, getting responses that you don't like, then responding with how much power your car makes. It happens in most your posts! That is when people start "knocking" on you Tricker. Like I said in my last post, power isnt knowledge. I have a 3l and make more power than say, someone with just an intake and exhaust on their 2.5. But that doesn't mean i know more about ANYTHING than they do. Just stop bringing up "i make more power than you" and you'll get a lot more respect.
Good luck with your turbo project. I hope for your sake it works out to your expectations. I agree with what Demon said about cleanances though, there in't a lot of space under the car near the y-pipe at all. I'd measure it all out and see how much space you have to work with before buying anything...
Just be sure to let us know how well your oil drain works w/ the turbo that low. Btw, I don't recommend using vice grips on any critical surfaces.
Tourige
10-18-2006, 10:46 PM
Remote mount the turbos where the mufflers are supposed to be ALA the new C6 STS setup. Haha, id love to see someone do that.
TRicker
10-18-2006, 11:01 PM
it would take so long to spool up, there's a guy with a firebird with a remote mount, its right by the rear axle, and doesnt spool fast at all, lol. the setup i want is gonna be where the cat used to be, but it looks like i'm going to have the bracketry for the blower fast so i'll be putting one of those on instead :)
striker2
10-19-2006, 12:05 AM
which is why you have to use smaller diameter pipe and jet coat it to keep the velocity and heat of the exhaust up. lowers the spool up time. i know thats how the STS kit for the GTO is, which by the way sounds cool as hell.
I have to agree with the others, fitting the turbo in that location is going to be extremely tight, while trying to keep the turbo high enough to allow it to properly drain. It is an interesting idea, but if you put the turbo, bellow the rear manifold/header, the drain will end up at about the same level as where it will need to enter the oil pan, which will of-course prevent oil from draining back properly. The other main limiting factor is that by placing the turbo low, either the front or rear exhaust will be required to make a really sharp bend in order to enter the turbine; obviously not good for flow.
I wish you luck if you do indeed attempt to make this design work, but I have to agree with the others, and suggest mouning in a different location, either up front, or out back.
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